No, susan is not with me. I was like, where is she . He was like, i dont know. Who were you camping with . My dad and my mom. The children said mommy was in the van but didnt come back with us. Pretty significant thing for a 4yearold to tell a detective. Susan had often referred to her fatherinlaw as creepy. Too close. Steven was wanting to be interviewed, and he reveals the biggest bombshell. We interarcted in a lot of sexual ways. One last question. How am i going to find your wife without your help . Puyallup is a smaller town. Its located in an area thats kind of protected from wind and rain from the mountains around it. Its a suburb of seattle and tacoma. Its homey. Its growing. Low crime. Lots of children who live there. Lots of families. Many people are members of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints. A lot of really nice people interconnected through the church. Its kind of a very typical american community. It is in puyallup, washington, where these two families and these two lives intersect. Josh powell and susan cox. Susan was one of four daughters born to chuck and judy cox. She was just, you know, a really typical girl and teenager. She liked to ride horses. She was my partner in crime. Susan tried to be rebellious, but she had too good of a heart. She was doing well in church and school. Had friends. She loved choir. She liked her hair done. Her nails done. Wear stylish clothes. Susan had gone to cosmetology school. She liked to make other people feel good about themselves. She got interested in boys as a teenager. She met josh when she was 18 at a social event for young mormons, and he was in his 20s. And she hadnt dated a lot. In the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, if you are unmarried, you can attend a congregation that is for other unmarried individuals. And so josh and susan are both kind of circulating in this singles crowd. There are incredible home movies taken by joshs dad which were later released by police that show the couples blossoming relationship. When i first met josh, guess i thought he was cute. He was very confident, and he thought he could get any girl he wanted. Susan said that he was treating her really well and he cared about her and he promised hed make her happy. Josh powell was an ambitious, strong headed, kind of nerdy guy. Just tall, dorky, his heads too big for his shoulders. He just looked awkward. Hes got a job. Hes got his own place, hes going to college. Sounded pretty good. Hes going to go to school for business, so hes somebody who is bright when he applies himself. They quickly fell in love. You see pictures of them. They looked to be completely smitten. Josh and susans relationship goes from not knowing each other at all in october to being engaged by the end of december. When she told me she was getting married, i wasnt that supportive. Because she barely knew him, and she just assured me that shes gonna be really happy and that he wanted in life what she wanted in life. Those videos also captured josh and susans wedding and the home life they built together after. Susan looked very pretty at her wedding. Very traditional long, white dress. Please put the ring in that box, open it up, put it on. She was very excited to show off josh and start their lives together. Lets see the ring. Lets see the ring. Hold your hand up, please. Its a Young Persons love story that quickly becomes dark. As the reception went on, josh was ignoring her more and more. Taking pictures and hanging out with his family and then disappearing. I could tell shes getting more agitated. Susan and josh didnt have much money, and they found themselves doing some odd jobs just to get by. Susan actually was the financial provider. He kept going in and out of jobs and was never really settled with anything. They moved to West Valley City in utah because they were looking for a better life. They wanted to improve their economic situation. They buy a house, and they start to have a family. I still remember the day that she told me she was pregnant. It was probably the most impactful day of her life. She was so excited cause she always wanted to be a mom. I would describe josh as an unattached dad. Josh wanted to hold charlie when he wanted to show him off to people. But other than that, he didnt want to change his diaper or feed him or give him a bath. Hey, buddy. Here we go. Okay. And then they had brayden. And if you look at the family pictures, there is joy and there is sparkle. Yeah. As little boys, they were rambunctious and mischievous and ran around being typical happy little boys. What are you watching . Cars cars. And susan loved them more than anything in the world. Monday morning, december 7th, 2009. They didnt show up. Debbie caldwell. 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Jennifer gave permission to the police to break a window and go into the house. The smallest officer just kind of shimmied in and he was like, wait, what is up with the fans . There are two box fans pointed at the carpet in the living room, and we were all confused. The officers cleared the entire residence and found nobody inside the home. And the powell vehicle, which was a blue minivan, it wasnt parked in the garage. The first thing i saw was susans purse was on a table and i started pulling out things. I found her keys, her wallet it had her drivers license and her credit cards. You would expect that if she had left on her own, was intending to go someplace, she would have taken those items. The kitchen, the master bedroom was fairly clean. I mean, the bed wasnt made. The bedroom for the children, the blankets were missing, but, yeah, the house was pretty orderly. There was no sign of a disturbance, physical altercation inside of the residence. On the morning of december 7th, i was sitting in my family room, homeschooling my three kids, and the phone rang. The voice on the other end said, josh, susan, and the boys are missing. And nobodys seen them since yesterday. It was the most horrible, sickening feeling. I just thought, what has happened . Susans friends were afraid that theyd gone out on a jaunt because josh liked to drive and take photographs and maybe had slipped off a cliff or theyd gotten stuck in the snow. I made a few phone calls asking other people in the congregation if anyone had seen susan. Jovanna goes, i actually had dinner with them last night. Susan asked jovanna to come over to the house and help her with her knitting and crocheting. While she was there, josh, who never did anything domestic at all, offered to make people dinner. She was crocheting on her blanket. I was working on the yarn. Josh and the boys were in the kitchen cooking. He called his father, steve, to ask for a recipe for pancakes. Everything he did was a little bit different routine than anybody else would have. He made them one by one. He took a plate in to jovanna. He took a plate with different pancakes made obviously in to susan. He and the boys ate at the table and he brought our our plates in to us in the living room. I think that was probably very unusual. I never, ever witnessed them ever eating in the living room. Shortly after that, susan began to not feel well. Susan laid down, and josh sort of suggested to jovanna that it was time for her to leave. He was gonna take the boys sledding, and he and the boys actually drove out before i had finished putting on my seatbelt. That was the last time i saw anybody, around 5 00. My brother finally called. Right away asked about the kids, asked about susan, and he was like, yeah, the kids are here. No, susans not with me. I was like, where is she . He was like, i dont know. I have no idea. She went to work. Josh drives all the way south to a place called point of the mountain, and he places a phone call to susans phone. Hello, susan. We are on our way back, and anyway, i cant believe that somehow my brain missed a day. I thought today was sunday. That was really, really stupid. All right, ill talk to you later. Okay, bye. We sat there and waited. It was a long time. It was an hour, maybe more. Josh finally showed up at the house. Josh had taken the children on a middleofthenight camping trip. It was a freezing cold. None of this makes any sense, except to him. He does things spontaneously without any plan, and he took the kids. He said that he left susan in the house. She was sleeping. We really wanted to talk with josh, and we wanted to record it. We had josh follow us to the substation. He was adamant about taking the boys with him. Whens the last time you seen her . Probably about midnight of last night. Where at . We were finishing up a movie. What movie did you guys watch . Um more. Want more. Here you go, buddy. Josh is very evasive, and he uses the kids who are in the room to distract away. He wasnt forthcoming with answers or information, so it was very frustrating. And where did you drive to . Well, i started heading south through tooele, turned onto the pony express. How far down the pony express did you go . Not very far. Maybe 20 miles, i dont know. So what did you do once you got there . Hooked up a heater and lit a fire for the boys. Josh said they drove to Simpson Springs and had smores over a campfire. Its not really very clear exactly what happened that evening and the next morning. We asked him if we could search his minivan, and he agreed. The minivan was full of camping supplies. Like, there was a tarp, a generator, shovel, graham crackers. During that search of the minivan, where they find susans phone, hidden in the Center Console. Its this pink cell phone, clearly not joshs. And he was kind of like deer in headlights. 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And im like, well, wheres susan . And she said, we dont know. As soon as i heard that he was back and susan was not with them, i instantly said to myself, what has he done . It became, like, this game of telephone where people were passing along these little bits of information and suddenly a larger story was coming together. He said he was out driving around. Hed gone out camping with the boys. And im like, are you a crazy man . It was cold. That is 100 josh. He did that kind of stuff all the time. But susan would have never allowed him to ever take the boys out in the winter to the desert in the middle of the night, never. I never believed his story at all. It was determined we didnt have enough probable cause to secure a search warrant for the residence because we didnt have any physical evidence. The decision was a huge mistake. Because he burns this metal object into oblivion. So thoroughly destroyed was this item that nobody to this day can say what exactly it was. Bags and bags of things are shoved into the garbage. Why would you do that the day after your wife disappears . The following morning he is observed with the minivan pulled out of the garage, all the doors opened, thoroughly cleaning it, wiping it down, vacuuming it. It was really odd to me because he was running around the house grabbing piles of towels and putting them in the washer. And finally, were like, youve got to go to your interview with the police. Ill be right back, okay . Okay. Josh powell kind of has a uniform of sorts. Its typically a tshirt, its a leather jacket, its denim pants, and its dingy white shoes. When josh goes in to talk to the police, in the tape, you see him initially acting very emotional. I dont i dont know. I didnt even think it was that i didnt it didnt sink in yesterday. He starts crying. His voice is shaking. Hes just trying to hold it together. But as detective maxwell continues to push josh about whats going on, joshs demeanor changes. I cant remember what we were doing. Okay. So you dont remember what you guys did from 6 00 till you went to bed on saturday night . I just dont remember what activity we were doing. Josh is not a participant at all in talking about his missing wife. Shows no urgency in getting out to go look for her. Have you checked any places where she could be . I havent had much of a chance to do any of that yet. He asks police no questions about what theyre doing to find her. What places should we go check to see if we can find her . Beauty supply. I dont think she would be there, but she likes them. And he offers no suggestions really about where they might look. Im leaving. Let me ask you this before you go out. Go ahead and ask one last question. How am i going to find your wife without your help . While im interviewing him, another colleague conducted a child forensic interview. Right tl there. Yeah. Good job. Its got nice lights, huh . Pretty. We went to the childrens justice center, and they were able to interview charlie. Braden really wouldnt talk to them. Okay, well, what did you do last night . Go camping. You went camping. Who were you camping with . My dad and my mom and my little brother. The children said mommy was in the van but didnt come back with us. A pretty significant thing for a 4yearold to tell a detective. We got in the airplane, and the airplane went to Dinosaur National park. You went to an airplane yesterday . Charlies interview is perplexing because he says a lot of things that dont make much sense. Okay, so, charlie, when you guys came home from camping, who came home with you . My dad. And and my mom stayed at Dinosaur National park. My mom stayed where the crystals are. There was one particular statement that raised a lot of eyebrows. Mommy is with the crystals. And how some people interpreted that was that the boys had been with their mom, and she was not alive. Your children are telling our detectives that mom went with you guys last night and that she didnt come back. She did not go with us. They know that she didnt go with us. So your kids lie then . So your kids lie . Sometimes they do. With children, theyre going to go from threads of truth and reality to fantasy. And maybe things that happened long before mom disappeared, theyre still in his memory. And in his mind sort of fuses together. She was not with us. I didnt leave her at the pony express. I didnt just take her out and drop her off or even do anything. I do want the lawyer cause at this point i definitely want a lawyer. Could i have went and booked him into jail . Yeah, i could have, but we wanted to find susan. So we were putting a gps tracker on his van. We want him to be out and about and see where he goes. Instead of picking up his van, he went to the airport and he rented a ford focus. 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Missing for a week. Utah gets missing persons cases almost every day. So this didnt really stand out as anything out of the normal. We have learned the search warrants for the powells home have been sealed off. Its strange that he came home with the kids and not her. West Valley City Police calling this one a puzzler. Call it suspicious. Not even a clue. If you see her, please contact the west Valley Police department. Her friends and family were just starting to ask questions. They were out there with flyers, just trying to find out where she might be. Volunteers fanned out, handing out flyers of susan powell. Josh, after susan went missing, he went from the guy who was talking about everything and knew everything to somebody who said nothing, knew nothing. A husband who says he doesnt know what happened to her. We know the answers are out there, and we need those who know where she is and what happened to her to come forward. I held a candlelight vigil a few days into her disappearance, and josh came to that late. After the candlelight vigil was over, josh powell did show up here in the park with his two children. But he quickly left without saying anything. Charlie had come up to me, and he was telling me, debbie, my hands are cold. My hands are cold. And josh scooped charlie up and kind of pulled him away like this. And reporters were trying to chase him through the snow, and he was walking away from them. You were camping with the boys . I have to go get my boys. There was no point at which josh ever seemed to even be concerned that susan was missing. If he wanted to help with the website, he should have detailed a timeline. He never participated in any of the massive, massive efforts that myself and relatives and friends launched to put out flyers in malls and parking lots. He didnt seem like he was engaged at all in what was going on. He seemed like his mind was somewhere else. He spoke very briefly with local media. Ive been trying to figure out what i can do so i dont sit idle. Im dealing with this repeatedly. People were upset that he didnt seem upset that she was missing. And so people thought thats because hes guilty. Josh, will you give us a comment today . Pointing the fingers at joshua, i dont want to do that. It seemed like initially josh and susan were a pretty conservative couple, loving family, couple of kids. We learned that there was a lot of distress. A lot of turmoil in their marriage. He controlled the money even though she was the breadwinner. Josh is very willing to spend money building himself a fancy computer. Susan doesnt get that privilege. My new printer. With the drawers underneath the shelving. Its sad to look at that family and know now what was actually going on. Susan was tormented about how troubled the marriage was. Shed been really happy. Hed been a great husband, and she said that he really changed. He became not affectionate. Were taking a picture of the back of your head. A little awkward to talk about, but they also had issues in the bedroom. Susan was this beautiful girl, but josh just was not interested in her sexually. It was just really weird. He kept her at arms length. He wouldnt kiss her anymore. He wouldnt touch her. He wouldnt hold her hand. Josh and susans marriage reaches rock bottom in the summer of 2008. Josh and susan are constantly fighting. Theyre arguing in front of the kids. Josh is exhibiting extreme control over susan. She said, one time, we were having a screaming fight and i shoved him, pushed me back and he goes, if you ever do that again, im gonna hit you. but she said he never did. Susan is now starting to think about, ive got to get out of this marriage. She went to see a divorce lawyer one time for a free consultation at my advice, and he told her to make a videotape of everything in your house. This is me, july 29th, 2008. Covering all my bases. Making sure that if something happens to me or my family, or all of us, that our assets are documented. And here is our safe, got all sort of files, financial information. Speakers, 5. 1 surround sound. Broke this and threw all my dvds and made a mess. Theres a hole in that wall. Beautiful diamond necklace my mom bought. Jade, thats a family heirloom. Not worth thousands of dollars, but i have assets. Hope everything works out, and were all happy and live happily ever after as much as thats possible. After she would email me a lot and just say, i want to do everything in my power to save my marriage before i walk away. Josh had warned her, if you divorce me, youll never see the children. So she stayed. Police ended up discovering the safety deposit box that susan kept secretly from josh at the bank where she worked. In it, they found a dvd, some savings bonds, and there was a makeshift will and testament. The last will and testament handwritten on one piece of paper. Both sides, top to bottom, side to side, there was no room to write another word. She wrote about how bad the marriage had become. She talked about a milliondollar Life Insurance policy that josh had taken out on her. And she told her boys she would never leave them. She even goes as far as to say, if i die, it may not be an accident. That is our biggest piece of evidence. Its her last words. There was no doubt that this document was authored by susan. The biggest mystery of this case is why didnt Police Arrest josh powell . I was frustrated cause they hadnt arrested him. I felt they had plenty of evidence to arrest him. Police have officially named Joshua Powell as a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife susan. The West Valley City Police Department took a lot of heat for not throwing the handcuffs on josh. Theres a pile of circumstantial evidence. Is there enough there to arrest him and book him into jail and hold him accountable . Absolutely there is. Could we . No. The District Attorneys Office would not file any charges. They were very specific, and told us that we needed to wait 12 months with no body. Abc news reached out to the d. A. At the time, who declined to respond to this claim, and refused to comment on this case. Within days of susans disappearance, he had closed their bank accounts, cashed out her retirement fund, took the boys to puyallup. People weve talked to say they cant believe Joshua Powell has emptied the house and left what is ground zero in the disappearance of his wife. They say it only casts more doubt on the man they are having an increasingly have a difficult time believing. I suddenly had this thought. I should get josh to confess. Jennifer volunteered with the police to wear a wire. What is the truth . I know what ive done, and i havent done anything. Then where is susan . Like the visit a doctor anywhere our rv takes us plan. And the zero copays means more money for rumba lessons plan. 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Detectives are scouring rocky hillsides and abandoned mine tunnels for any signs of susan powell. The police for months and months would search these mines, taking k9 teams. West Valley Police detectives say they plan to survey as many as possible. The most intense part of this search is happening right at the bottom of this hill. Investigators are swarming the high desert. Josh told somebody that the best place to dispose of a body would be in a mine. This is one of those abandoned mine shafts detectives went through. Nobody would ever find it. Its like finding a needle in a haystack. A lot of questions still unanswered at this point. There is a big part of you missing and you want to know the truth. But the family wont give up hope. There is still purple ribbons at their home. There is still stickers on car windows. Josh decides that hes going to take the boys up to his dads house in washington to try to get away from the media circus. Do you have anything to say . Josh, can you give us a comment today . Youre a person of interest, josh. Joshs dad, steve powell, takes control. He shields josh from the public and media and becomes his ardent defender. I call it ft. Powell because it became a fortress. They had the windows, blinds drawn. They kept the house dark inside. When the media would knock, theyd open a crack and say, no. They werent talking to anybody. Hi, im trying to find josh powell. They were just their own little country. Josh isolates himself from the world. Hes not talking to police. Hes not talking to media. Hes certainly not searching for his missing wife. I suddenly had this thought. I should try and get josh to confess. Even joshs sister, jennifer graves, doesnt believe him. So she goes to police and she volunteers to wear a wire and go inside her dads house. They were just about to have dinner, and we went in, and the boys were so excited to see us. My birthday it is. Its your birthday, charlie i didnt know exactly how to force this confrontation with josh. Weve been hearing rumors that you will probably be arrested soon. Well, i dont know. Suddenly i just shoved josh into the bathroom. And at that point, i was like, drop all pretense. Just tell me where her body is. You trying to cover it up . Where is susan . Jennifer did a phenomenal job. Im just not buying it anymore. I can see it in your eyes. Theres something there. Youre wrong. I dont know what to say. I think you need to confess now and get it over with. Dont be ridiculous. I know what ive done, and i havent done anything. You killed her. I already told you every fact. Im not gonna violate my attorneys direction. He still wouldnt budge. He still would not give me anything. I was so frustrated. Eventually steve kicked jennifer out of the residence, calling her derogatory names. You are a [ bleep ]. Is what you are to talk about your brother and my son that way. I regret not getting the confession, but i dont regret going. This is good morning america. And joining us now, susans mother and father. Susans parents, from the moment she was missing, they were very involved with the press. You suspect your soninlaw . But very quickly, the tone changed. We made a conscious decision the politeness wasnt working, so we basically called him out. Josh is a desperate person. He has no valid explanation for where he was. Chuck cox and the family, they are putting up the purple ribbons. Theyve got the billboard outside the neighborhood. All these things im sure are driving him crazy, but for 18 months he sits in isolation and doesnt talk to anybody about it. To try to get josh to talk, we put together a honk and wave. What in the world is a honk and wave . Thank you and he said, you make these huge signs, and you stand on the really busy corners and get people to honk and wave to show their support. Thank you it can cause anxiety and disruption in your suspects mind. People start to do things as the stress tends to build. They picked a busy street near a store that they knew steve and josh shopped at. And chuck and judy and others were out there with signs and everything. And there were Television Cameras there. Were not gonna stop looking for her no matter how long it takes. They had these shirts with susans face. I think it said, have you seen me . They had some big posters, and they were waving and balloons, and handing out flyers to cars as they went by. Steve pulled by, and the next thing i know, hes stomping over towards me. You cant do this. This is a store i shop at. The only places where they passed out flyers about susan, the only place where they put up billboards, the only place where they duct taped flyers to light posts. How is you coming here helping to find susan . It isnt helping to find susan. How is your standing at our Neighborhood Market helping to find susan, chuck . An extraordinary, personal, and very public confrontation that erupted in the middle of the search for susan powell. Several family members were clashing in front of the cameras. All over the media. If somebody has seen her, they can report to the police. Which other stores are you doing this at, chuck . And it was ugly. It was weird. It was really contentious. I was waiting for the cops to come and haul one of them away. Since youve come out against my family. Josh showed up midway into this confrontation on the street corner. And he had the boys in the van with him. Chuck cox uses my sons as pawns in the media to drive whatever message he is trying to drive. Are you doing okay . Yeah, its all right. We were telling josh, okay, are you going to do this interview or not . And he finally said, yes. Do you still love her . Yeah. He seemed very distant when i spoke to him. 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Even his own sister didnt believe him anymore. I just shoved josh into the bathroom. And at that point, i said, just tell me where her body is. Susan had often her fatherinlaw as creepy. But i dont know if she new just how creepy he was. We cant talk about susan or camping. I always keep these a secret. During that interview, its clear that charlie has been coached. He looked more and more like a psychopath. He was running out of places to hide. Slams the door in her face and locks it. This is a story you cant write in a hollywood script. No one wouldve thought in a million years, this is how it would have ended. Susan powell was a young, beautiful mother of two adorable children. She just, one night, vanished. Detectives have named josh powell a person of interest in the case. He did some local news. Some ambushstyle interviews where they would ask him something on the fly. You were camping with the boys . I need to go get my boys. But he never really sat down and talked about what happened. Ill never forget the first time that i met him. I shook his hand and a chill, just, like, raced up through my spine. I just shook the hand of a killer. Are we rolling . Why talk now . Oh, man. I wanted to come out and say something. People who know me know that im a good dad. I was a good husband. I provided for her. Susan also contributed. Nothing he told me during that interview convinced me that he was not part of what happened to her and why she disappeared. I know that youve told police that you were camping. You brought your 2yearold and your 4yearold camping. Is that where you were . Im not going to talk about anything that my attorney has specifically told me not to. Okay, why not just answer where you were when she disappeared . Josh, can i suggest something . His father was there, and his father really wanted to be interviewed, which was odd. And i had really no desire to interview Steven Powell at that time. Zero. I just thought, this is such a waste of time. This is pointless. You think she ran away with another man . It was another man, yes. I dont think josh was in the room for that part of the interview. And before you know it, he ends up revealing the biggest bombshell out of all of the interviews that i had done out of the whole case. What makes you think that she would leave . Leave her kids, her two young sons and run away with another man. Susan was very, very sexual with me. She was very flirtatious. I mean, she was just she did it. I did it. I mean, we interacted in a lot of sexual ways, because susan enjoys doing that. But this is i enjoy doing that. Why are you telling everyone that . Thats not to your benefit, but somehow in my dads own twisted mind, he thought that that was the greatest strategy to keep the dogs off josh or something. I dont know. One day we were at an animal park. I was holding brayden in my arms, and i had my hands like this. The part i remember is that susan came over to take him from me, and instead of just reaching out and grabbing him, she pressed her breasts against my hands tightly, and she wouldnt let my hands out. And thats nice. It was a cold day, so it was a nice, warm feeling. Give me a break. But he loved to talk about it. Josh and susan early in their marriage move in to steve powells home. Susan had often referred to her fatherinlaw as creepy, but she, i dont think, had any idea how creepy the man truly was. Ill do this. And during this period of time, steve powell is constantly filming susan. This is a man who is collecting video for his own perverse gratification. Because steve powell is a voyeur. He wrote a number of songs about susan. Steven powell even recorded them and posted them on his website. I can love you in a secret way i can love you each and every day he had a pseudonym. He used steve chantrey. While josh and susan were living with my dad, there was a point where she was alone in the car with my dad for a short time while josh was in the house. And my dad actually hit on her. He has put his camera in the bag on the Center Console and left it recording, and so the audio of this conversation is captured. Im really falling in love with you. You know, for the last year and a half, youre about the only thing i can think about. Just for example, when we were sitting on the couch and just felt like you were very, i mean, i was extremely aroused, and i think you were somewhat aroused. At least i thought. I dont know where you are going with this. That audio was an opportunity to hear susan in her own voice telling steve, in no uncertain terms, she was not interested. I was kind of meaning to talk to you about this, because i realized the last time i came over that my own father my own father doesnt kiss me. And you you kiss me. And i didnt like that. She was extremely upset about that and disturbed. But even more disturbed when josh just said that, thats his dad. I mean, he was obsessed with susan. He was absolutely obsessed, and he wanted to talk about it. To me, this was the headline, and it also put a target on stevens back. And maybe he had something to do with this. The focus was less on josh, and it shifted straight to joshs father, because it was so creepy. That was my big takeaway. Police raided the home of her husband and fatherinlaw, seizing several computers and sealed boxes after those disturbing allegations made on here on gma yesterday. If you have risk factors like heart disease, diabetes and raised triglycerides,. Vascepa can give you something to celebrate. Vascepa, when added to your statin,. Is clinically proven to provide 25 lower risk from heart attack and stroke. Vascepa is clearly different. First and only fda approved. Celebrate less risk. Even for those with family history. Dont take vascepa if you are. 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And when i read her journals, its clear that most of the male, the relationships she got into with males were ones that she initiated. Basically, josh and steven on their own stupidity were telling, hey, this is the, you know, the holy grail, this is telling us where susan is, this is telling us how susan acted. So that gave us the nexus through the judicial system to get into the house. When josh moved in with his father shortly after his wifes disappearance, he took some things from his utah home, including susans journals. Susan powells diaries have taken center stage. According to the search warrant left at the powells home, police came looking for seven very specific diaries all written by susan. Diaries that her husband insists will help explain her disappearance. They went through everything in the house, including all of steves, you know, files, journals, computers. They also find steve powells collection of voyeur videos. Steve powell is doing things like sliding mirrors under the bathroom door, attempting to get images of susan while shes undressed. I love putting her underwear against my face, just smelling her scent. Steve would narrate his videos to himself as hes shooting video of her dirty underwear. Steven powell would save things of susans shed throw away in a bathroom garbage. Things like cotton swabs, wax strips, tampons. Hed mark each one of them for specific storage. In his walkin closet, there was a filing cabinet that was locked. And once we got into that, that was kind of like the unwanted treasure that we found. Police say inside powells bedroom, they found thousands of images of mostly young girls, many naked being videotaped without their knowledge. Prosecutors say two former neighbors, sisters, just 7 and 12, were repeatedly videotaped while bathing. Police say powell shot from his bedroom window into the bathroom window using a telephoto lens. Theyve looked at steve powell as a suspect in susans disappearance and ruled him out. But its obviously of great concern to detectives as theyre scouring through all the material they take out a steve powells home when they see underaged neighbor girls undressed on steve powells tapes. Powell entered a plea of not guilty to 14 counts of voyeurism and one count of child pornography. Steven powell was eventually convicted and sentenced to five years in prison for possession of child pornography. Because of all the things that the police encountered in the search of the Steven Powell home, it became apparent, eventually, these boys were at imminent risk of harm. The best part that came out of the search warrant was steves house was Child Family Services of washington stepped in and shared with us that they would take custody of the children. The boys, ages 4 and 6, were taken last night by the state and now susans father is fighting to keep them with him. They were going to be placed, relative placement with us. So we were essentially foster parents. Josh didnt want them with us. My sons are safe with me, they are safe in my home, they are safe with my family. I think joshs main fear probably was that once charlie started talking to their grandparents, the story would get out. They were saying things like, our mommy went with us on the trip, but didnt come back. We can only see our mom again if we go camping again. Braden drew the picture of a minivan with stick people inside and, whos this . Oh, thats, thats me. Whos that . Thats charlie. Whos that . Thats daddy. And he volunteered, thats mommy in the trunk. We wanted to interview them. Can you sit right there . So i wrote the search warrant for that. Charlie, has anybody talked to you about your mom . No . I do not know where she is. She got lost somewhere. During that interview, its very clear that charlie has been coached, his answers are extremely evasive. We cant talk about susan or camping. I always keep things as secrets. The only thing we got out of that time was that, at one point, he said that she went camping and, but she didnt come home with them and then he kind of clammed up after that. I didnt want to talk to you on this long, i mean, this many minutes. Now im done. While the coxes were fighting for custody of the kids and had temporary custody of the boys, they were still essentially wards of the state. Washington state had control over these children, and the coxes were glorified foster care. So the boys are living with grandma and grandpa, and josh is getting supervised visitation with the boys. The visitation is at first understood to be taking place at a secure third party facility. But in short order, josh takes steps to rent his own house, and he begins pushing the social workers, asking them if they can move visitation to this new house that hes rented because its not steve powells house, it shouldnt have the same concerns. I think the boys were the ones who originally told me, hey, we got to go to daddys house, or something. And, and i went, oh, really . I was concerned about that. They were very excited, they were thrilled about the new house, they were thrilled about the yard at the new house. I am in their best interest and i should be raising them as their father. Through december into early january, he was confident that his reunification motion was going to be granted. Well, that was doomsday for josh powell. This is a story you cant write in a hollywood script. No one wouldve thought in a million years thats how this story wouldve ended. Black friday used to mean long lines and deals gone in a flash. That was black friday then. This. 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Pierce county authorities and investigators in utah shared the common goal of protecting the boys. So the west Valley Police in utah passed along previously unreleased evidence recovered from the powells home. When i pushed west valley and they sent us the disk with the cartoon incestuous images the West Valley City Police Department in utah had found images on a computer taken out of the house in sarah circle way back in december of 2009 that were of great concern. They were characters from popular nickelodeon shows, engaged sexual acts, acts of incest. The evidence was allegedly taken from josh powells utah home by investigators. They raised very serious questions about joshs ability to be a safe parent for the boys. He denies ever looking at any kiddie porn. He denies any knowledge about any of these images that have purportedly been taken off of his computers. Illegal images . No, i asked mr. Law, and he saw nothing on there that would be in violation of the law. Bad taste, ill give you that from what he was describing to me. And thats when the judge ruled that the boys would stay with the coxes longer. The images are enough that judge Catherine Nelson is ordering josh powell to now undergo a psychosexual evaluation. This is an exam where they measure aberrant arousal. So you cant lie. Because physically the arousal will show if if youre into things that might be illegal. He had to take psychosexual evaluation, which is one thing that i know he wouldnt pass. But it included a polygraph. That means that josh is going to have to do what hes avoided doing from the very first days after susan disappeared, which is take a lie detector test. Hed been able to get away with murder, so to speak, for a long time. But a polygraph, i think he was really afraid of. He didnt want to answer all these questions about susan and how she went missing. He truly had gone down in flames from being pretty sure that he was going to get his kids back. Are you disappointed that the kids arent going to be coming home with you . I think the air was taken out of them. He looked bad. You just saw his welfare diminish. He looked more and more like a psychopath. He was running out of places to hide. He was running out of options, and it was tearing him down as a person. The custody hearing between chuck and josh essentially was put on pause. So that was on february 1st. We know then that josh spent the next four days, you know, preparing. We know that he transferred some of his finances. He gathered up some of the boys things and toys, took them to Salvation Army and goodwill. He bought five gallon gas cans and went and filled them with gas. I said, look, i am afraid josh is backed into the corner with the psychosexual and the polygraph. He knows theres no way hes gonna beat those. So the morning of sunday, february 5th, chuck had gone to church early. I knew they were going for their visit. 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Im on a supervised visitation for a courtordered visit, and something really weird has happened. I think i need help right away. He looked right at me and closed the door. All right. Well have somebody look for you there. Okay. How long will it be . I dont know, maam. They have to respond to emergency, lifethreatening situations first. The first available deputy well, this is this could be lifethreatening. He went to court on wednesday and he he didnt get his kids back and this is really im afraid for their lives. Okay. Has he threatened the lives of the children previously . I have no idea. All right. Well have the first available deputy contact you. February 5th, 2012. Super bowl sunday. I went to church, i came home. Super bowl sunday. I remember watching the super bowl that day and seeing the reports come in. Good afternoon, everyone. Im john deselop, we are interrupting your programing for some breaking news. And i got a call from my neighbor. And he said, change the channel. I was actually in indianapolis. The patriots were playing the giants at the super bowl, and i was there with my family. And it was halftime and madonna was about to take center stage. As madonna takes the stage to perform vogue, abbys in the stadium concourse trying to absorb the text she just received. I get a text, it pops up on my phone. There has been a fatal explosion at the home of josh powell. I couldnt believe it. I couldnt believe it. I thought, im going to get help from the neighbors. Theyll be able to help me get the boys out. So i went screaming to the neighbors. I said, theres two children in there. Theres two children in there. I said, oh, my god. And i thought, like, natural gas or something. And they said, they found three bodies. Theres a fire. The house exploded, and were hearing that josh and charlie and braden are inside. This cant be. This cant be. I thought, no, that cant be real. I would have heard something. I called susans father. I said, chuck, is it true . Chuck, chuck, is it true . Is it true . And he said, yes, and i didnt even say goodbye. I just hung up the phone and started crying. I was looking at a a house with steam still coming out of it, and fires. And the sergeant or whatever said, yeah, theyre there and theyre dead. Honestly, i wasnt surprised. And the actions that he made after she went missing, i never underestimated him. And then, to find out the details, it just breaks your heart. The Pierce County medical examiner said both boys had chopping wounds on their heads and necks, but that is not what killed them. The cause of death for all three was Carbon Monoxide poisoning. We believe he bought two five gallons worth of gas. And one was used in the room where the boys were killed. And then after he had incapacitated them here, arrange them on the floor next to each other and poured gasoline on and around them and around the house. And then he sat on a gas can and lit a match. They were still alive when the fire started, and they died of smoke inhalation. And there was also gasoline in their lungs. Police say there is clear evidence that josh planned out this house explosion and meant to kill himself and his children. The morning of the 5th, he sent a couple of Text Messages and voicemails to essentially saying goodbye. His sister alina found one when it was too late to intervene. After the explosion. What did he say . I think he said, hello, this is josh. I am not able to live without my sons and i am not able to go on anymore. Im sorry to everyone ive hurt. Goodbye. When you heard the audio recording, what did you think . What did you make of that . I thought he had lost all hope. To find out that, you know, he used the ax first, and to find out that he said to them, you know, i have a surprise for you. Any little bit of doubt that anyone couldve possibly had that josh killed susan had to have gone out the window. The fact that he couldve done that to his kids. This was a tragedy. This was deeply wrong. This was evil. You do not kill little kids. Police are convinced the explosion and the fire that destroyed josh powells home was a murder suicide. I dont know anything else i could have done and it theyre still dead. My daughters still missing, and now the children are dead. I had them safe. They were in my care. They were gone. I was frustrated with the Child Protective Service agency. Why would they put this single woman in charge of these boys, and send her into the lions den . They had the right to grow up. The cox family is determined to hold the state accountable and make them pay for the deaths of their grandchildren. Hello hello there he go, my baby never answers in the room steps outside, or puts it on snooze he just do whatever he do ou ee ou ou ee ou hello hello hello hello hello hello turns out, my body wash was the problem. Until i tried olay body. 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My Worst Nightmare had just happened. But i went from praying that somehow susan was alive, to praying now that she was dead so that she could greet her boys in heaven. Outside the fencedoff crime scene, strangers visit the memorial that has risen. Flowers, balloons, and stuffed animals offered in memory of charles and braden powell. Why would he go through so much to get custody of the boys, only to murder them . Come here, charlie. Hey, buddy. Well, one of the possibilities is, he destroyed the evidence. Hose boys were starting to talk and by destroying the evidence, basically he committed murder on his two boys. It shows how much of a monster he really was. And it shows how many people dropped the ball in this case. I was frustrated with the Child Protective Service agency. Why would they put this single woman in charge of these boys and send her into the lions den . It made no sense to me. I wanted to get the kids. No matter what, i wanted to get the kids. If i could have gotten through the door, i would have. She did what she could. She did everything right. Theres no blame on her at all. Anybody that puts any blame on her, its misdirected. The coxes have filed a lawsuit against the state of washington on behalf of braden and charlie. Its a wrongful death lawsuit. And their position is that the state of washington put joshs parental rights before the welfare of these boys. The cox family lawsuit didnt include Elizabeth Griffin hall, or any other individuals, as defendants. Fact is, she was she was not the one that made the decision for this to be in the home. So to a certain extent, shes lucky shes alive, and shes, i think, a victim in a lot of ways too. They filed this lawsuit, 35 million for braden, 50 million for charlie, 5 million for each minute that these boys suffered at the hands of their father before they were ultimately blown up in joshs rental house. Please be seated. Good morning, everybody. You have a civil case against the state that started in february. It was disrupted because of covid19. Please now give your attention to mr. Buck as he presents the plaintiffs final argument. It is out of the states failure to live up to their own primary directive of assuring the safety of the children, that this tragedy was born. What was the place that had the least protection . Josh powells home. What about the level of risk . But then the state learned of the boys statements. It learned of this incest images. It learned that he was going to have to undergo a psychosexual evaluation, a polygraph. If the state had followed its policies, its guidelines, common sense, investigated, had visitations where it was supposed to have them, none of this would have happened. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this will be the only and final time you will hear from the state on this matter. The state took this very serious. They did their job, they followed their policies. Yes, the fact that susan powell was missing was known. But after more than two years after her disappearance, still no arrests, no charges against josh powell. It actually takes facts and proof to remove a child from their parent and keep them out of the home. The guides on visitations shows the number one preferred location is at a parents home. Thats why transition to a home occurs. The goal in these type of cases is always family reunification. Im going to submit to you that mr. Powell is the sole cause of the murder of his sons. It was not due to any negligence by the state of washington. It was mr. Powell who did this. The truth or the fact of the matter is, theyre the only ones who could have protected the children at that point. Theyre the on serena its my 4 10, noexcusesongameday migraine medicine. Its ubrelvy. For anytime, anywhere migraine strikes without worrying if its too late, or where i am. One dose of ubrelvy works fast. 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Was the state of washington negligent . Answer, yes. What do you find plaintiff Charles Powells total amount of damages . 57,500,000. Braden powells total amount of damages . 57,500,000. For eight years, the cox family has been trying to find justice, and it took us a long time, and we took a long hiatus with the pandemic. Today justice has been meted out. What i intend to do is use the award to try and help other people in that so that we can save more children. Jury members told abc news they didnt believe any one individual at Child Protective Services was responsible for what happened. They blame a systematic failure for the tragedy. It just came down to this you cannot have reunification, you know, as your goal at the expense of child safety. And, you know, lawsuits change things, brown vs. Board of education, roe v. Wade. I mean, thats how things change. So 20 20 reached out to several agencies in both states, and they declined to comment, or referred us to other departments. In the end, we were unable to get an answer to our questions. Could the actions of these agencies, or their inactions, have contributed to the murders of braden and Charlie Powell . It shouldve never have got to the point where you had josh getting his kids into that house and blowing it up. I think that it is just one of those cases that well always kind of have a place in utahs consciousness. And i think a big part of that is we still dont know what happened. We still dont know where susan powell is. Does everyone believe that he harmed his wife . The answer is yes, thats what everyone believes, but what you believe and what you can prove are two different things. Joshs actions are definitely an admission of guilt. Shes going to divorce him if he cant have her, nobody will. So he kidnaps susan, and most likely murders her and disposes of her body. Where . Nobody knows. The last that she was seen and heard from was her friend yavonna was there at the house. And josh, who never cooked, made pancakes for dinner. People think he poisoned her, of course, because he made them separate, she felt sick and sleepy. Yavonna saw that, and then shes never heard from again. I know there are 10,000 abandoned mines in utah. Thats a lot of places where you can dump a body. There are so many theories, i dont know which one it is, but i guarantee you, Susan Cox Powell did not leave that home willingly at midnight to go camping. This was a family that was not known to the West Valley City, utah, Police Department. They had never been called to the house. But in other ways, josh was just a classic abuser. He was controlling. My heart absolutely breaks for chuck and judy cox. I mean, think about what this couple has gone through. They lost their daughter. Both of their grand babies were horrifically butchered, and the only three people that could shed any light on this are dead. 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