To combat his own struggle with depression, it is hilarious. He is in studio with us in addition to gary gulman, throwback we continues, weve had some fun. Johnny gill. Todays throwback guest is a sitcom star who made it rollerskates and pigtails usually popular. She also happens to be the mystery guest, one of my best friends. Im going to introduce you to her and then you know, say wow, tamron hall has a cool best friend. Joining a conversation today, lets give a shout out to our family in cyber hall. Teresa from south carolina, baltimore, maryland, watching on one of our favorite stations. Thank you for joining us, dont forget, if you want to join cyber hall, you can join the family, they are in their homes watching the show with us and with you. This print sandra story. Thank you. [applause] Prince Andrew says he is now stepping down from his royal duties. Royal duties basically means he represents the queen, charity events, public events. After print sandra gave an interview discussing his friendship with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. There is video of Prince Andrew leaving the mansion owned by Jeffrey Epstein, allegations from young women saying print sandra was part of the illicit behavior happening with Jeffrey Epstein. This is one of these things are was a huger if you shouldvr mistake. By the numbers, Prince Andrew, just to be the prince makes about 300,000 a year. His mother is worth billions. He wont be taking that check while hes on break. Joining us, cnn royal contributor victoria arbiter. People are saying this is one of the worst interviews to try to fix something, he made it even more problematic for himself and the royal family. Its was a train wreck in word. The main person who has been alleging claims against Prince Andrew, she has done for years. She said that when she was 17, she was traffic to prince andr Prince Andrew. Tamron this is a photo of her. She has maintained her story and never changed any of the details. Print sandra decided to address these rumors himself because of course since Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide these gained traction. It was such a study and what not to do an attempt at Public Relations, there were extraordinary responses to various questions and when it was particularly interesting, she was very specific and some of her claims, she said she was forced to go dancing with him in a nightclub where he was sweating profusely. His response to that was truly bizarre. Tamron his allegation was that he was sweating profusely, Prince Andrew was asked about those sweating us. It is one of the most bizarre answers you will ever see and here it is. She was very specific about that night, she described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have theres a slight problem with the sweating, because peculiar medical condition was that i dont sweat, or i didnt sweat at the time. I had suffered what i described as an overdose of adrenaline in the war when i was shot at. Tamron he says he has a medical condition that keeps him from sweating but all these photos popped up online that keep you show him sweaty. A cascade of photos have been released of him hugging people. His p. R. Person quit. This might be prince angers truth but we live in a digital age and the internet has a wealth of evidence to the contrary. You get on social media and everyone is tweeting pictures of him falling out of nightclub sweating profusely, pictures of him with other women dancing. Reportedly his p. R. Person quit two weeks before this interview aired simply because as any good Public Relations expert would say, he didnt want to hand her to do interview. Royals soberly have a a platform in which to air their voice, he was trying to exert damage control and instead what happened, during 50 minutes he never once mentioned the victim, didnt express any kind of regret over his friendship withh epstein. There was no humility, no compassion. Had he been more cautious, the statement he released yesterday said he felt sympathy, he felt regret, perhaps hed be sitting in a different seat today. Tamron lets make it clear, there is no evidence that Prince Andrew participated in any illegal acts thus far, he has not been charged with anything, he is telling his version of the story, he maintains he did not know and was unaware of behavior that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of. Thats exactly right, he hasnt been investigated, in 2015 a judge throughout claims against him calling them impertinent and immaterial. But my goodness, is stepping down shows the power of public opinion. Tamron he is paid by the public, that 300,000 salary. Hes not paid, per se. You dont get a salary but the queen funds the running of your office, the running of your lifestyle. Hes not going to be collecting unemployment anytime soon but what is going to happen is if the queen will continue to fund him in a private capacity from private funds. Tamron okay, wait a minute. Essentially hes going to be getting an allowance, potentially, from the queen who last year made 27 million. Hes not making the money. Tamron is a check being cashed . [laughter] somebody is getting stuff, i love the royal family, this dress was inspired by a designer who admires princess diana. In reality, hes not being cut off financially. No, hes not being cut off but i think moving forward hes got to be very careful. If hes loading it up on the golf course people are going to say, really, is he suffering from the fallout of what he did . Tamron did he make the decision exclusively to give this interview, i read somewhere that his exwife was someone who said maybe you should do the interview. Would you take p. R. Advice from fergie, his exwife . Tamron im quite fond of her, maybe i would. Fergie and andrew have an amazing relationship. They are both pretty disastrous in their personal lives but they raised very special young ladi ladies. Fergie has had disaster after disaster after disaster. Yes, the queen wouldve known about this interview, he wouldve called it, this is a really great idea, damage control, did you know the full extent of this interview . I dont believe so because i dont think the queen wouldve located had she known the territory that was going to be explored to that depth. Tamron thank you so much for your time, greatly appreciate it. Around here we love talking about women and workplace relationships, family, the family dynamic. I am approaching my one year, very soon anniversary of marriage, so i Read Everything about the dynamics. Women in the workplace, we know we are still battling equal pay, earning 0. 82 for every dollar a man makes. There is no information that says a mans stress level jumps it is wife earns more than 40 of their household income. So its kind of like i know anymore. Who had this issue . Look at you. Whats your name . Celledona. Tamron tell us about your personal life. I am a lawyer, he was a civil engineer. He stopped working, i made more money than him and he knew this when we were dating and that was the cause of our divorce. Tamron he was an engineer who became our rapper. Was he a good rapper . He was talented but didnt do it the right way. Tamron he wasnt bringing in any money . Nothing. Men are defined by their income and that has to do with how they feel about themselves. I tried to support him in it. Tamron it wasnt enough . It wasnt enough. Achr t all and iap smilen hope everything is wonderful. Everything is wonderful. Tamron in our cyber hall, did this happen to you . No, it didnt happen to me but how i feel about the situation is, women are no longer scrubbing the floors at home, we are bosses, entrepreneurs, and i feel like that is the new normal in todays society. Men just need to get with it. [cheers and applause] tamron okay. Heres the thing, i am fascinated in 2019, we are still having this conversation. Maybe i am living in some bobble, i dont know. Joining us now is the author of when she makes more, weve talked and worked together before. Thanks for joining us. [applause] i have this my friend had me on his show and we had this whole conversation, he said that his money is how the lifestyle of the family is determined so i said, if your wife made more money and she could afford a Million Dollar home and you could afford a 50,000 home, which home . Aid 50,000, his wife could not be the person who brought home the bacon. Lot of men apparentlyeautiful still think that way. Its really hard when you think about the centuries of social conditioning where men have been told, in order to be a good man, a good husband, you must provide and providing in that context has exclusively meant to providing financially. Men and women both want to provide end women have also been conditioned to provide in the home. Men in this study have been discovered to have higher stress levels when their wives are making more, women are also sort of unsettled by this as well as the financial breadwinners and relationships in some cases because this is also new to them, this is not something tt n communication tamron youve gone do this personally . Ive gone through this personally, here i am, someone whos covered personal finance her entire career. I dont mind talking about money, its not an issue in my life. When i was in my relationship, making more than my then fiance, now husband, i felt like i was letting down my family, my mother who wanted to raise a strong woman but also kind of hoped that i would be taken care of as a middle eastern woman thats kind of the norm, you marry a man, no matter how much youre making, youre going to marry up. Tamron i dont think its just middle eastern. Its societal that we are conditioned to believe that. Ive dated someone that at the time i made more money than and people kept referencing him as, shes a gold digger. Im making more money than him. I had a boss who used to see how much i make and go your husband is a lucky man and thats so inappropriate, we have these double standards. I think this is something we need to celebrate, this is a trend thats only increasing and think of the opportunities for relationships when there isnt this pressure that only one person has to make all they. Tamn it is supposed to be a joint effort. I remember dad was 25 years older than my mother. Yes. And his third wife my dad was awesome, by the way, awesome. I used to laugh and say dad, on paper, all these marriages but in real life the best dad and husband. My parents were disturbing things evenly, they live their life that way until my dad took his last breath. In my philosophy learning from them is if i have a dime, we have two nichols, we are not going to divide things like that. I may regret that later but right now something i suggest to others having a hard time with this is regardless of who is making water, try to you as you described level the financial playing field. Tamron be honest about the playing field. When stephen and i first got engahi f we told how much debt we had, how much money we had, our expectations of how we would divide the money so people felt better about what they were bringing in and you knew transparently what the other person was bringing in. Its empowering and gives you an understanding of where the other person is coming from. The reason we are challenged by money, its not the dollars and cents of it, its the emotions, how we were raised and conditioned. You have to unpack that and be willing to go there. I want everyone to know that you are having struggles with this, just find other words, talk about it, get it out there and going back to the other tip about trying to be financial equals even though you are making different amounts of money, how its worked for us is, my husband makes less than i do, we still make sure that where his money is going in the household is significant so he does feel like hes making a tangible contribution. Tamron exactly. I it breaks my heart to know that there are men who feel like wow, if i cant pay for a house im not showing my family love. Thats not fault of that man, its what people keep telling you. Our friend online said we are boss babes today and thats absolutely true but i cant forget this one piece of research i came across which is that when she makes more she actually does more housework than wives who make the same or less because shes trying to make up for being feminine. She doesnt feel feminine. I think this is an opportunity for couples, if you are that woman who is overwhelmed because you are bringing home the bacon and cooking and all the things, have a conversation with your husband and say maybe you are not the financial provider but there are a lot of ways to provide in this relationship. Tamron thats great advice, its ae tough to talk about it honestly. Greatly appreciated. When we come back, speaking of discussing things openly and honestly, this hit hbo comedy special called the great depresh, comedian gary gulman suffered from crippling depression throughout his life. He decided to use humor to help heal. His message when we come right back, youll love it. [cheers and applause] the only antidepressants we had access to in the 1970s and 80s pretty much was snap out of it and what have you got to be depressed about . , that was the second leading brand of antidepressant. Tamron that was a clip from hbo the great depresh. And comedian gary gulmans way of dealing with depression, he makes fun of it. Hes actually even featured in this weeks People Magazine, part of their yearlong Mental Health campaign. Lets talk about it. N. That clip is funny because in the People Magazine article you said you were first experiencing depression in first grade and how many times have we heard someone tell a kid or a young person, what do you have to be depressed about . You have any bills, you only have school. And i thought to myself, this can get worse . This will get worse when im older . I wrote a book when i was in second grade called the lonely tree second grade. Its about tamron theres the book. Yeah. Tamron what is the title mean, the lonely tree . It about a book that was being teased and bullied and then it cried and from the two years it grew very big and became the Christmas Tree in the center of the city. And anyone with even a High School Psychology class noticed . Ow that fhe. No one noticed. Tamron how are you race that they didnt notice . With someone ive noticed that book when you are in the second grade . I think that america and people of my parents age were not aware of Mental Illness in that way. It had to be so severe that something as subtle as depression and anxiety was not on their radar. Tamron especially as it relates to the men, we did a whole show on men and Mental Health and how men are conditioned to believe, youve got to just man up, you know . Tough it out. And its damaging, it actually hurts your chemistry and hurts your physical ability to cope and have relationships. Tamron when did you realize some of the cure was through humor . I just knew, that when i was making other people laugh i felt a little bit better, i probably was getting a hit of dopamine or serotonin or whatever chemistry is going on in your body when youre getting strangers to laugh and i just thought that out and also it distracts. Thats a very handsome picture of me. W w that, too, i like your hair. Youre not alone in it, weve heard the great Robin Williams who we lost say that same thing that a release from the depression was making other people laugh but it still didnt completely cure. You go home at the end of the show and youre alone and you are ruminating about your thoughts. The other thing is when you are telling a joke or Holding Court with a bunch of friends, youre distracted from your rumination and your fears and your insecurities and your anxieties. Its really helpful to just the aspect of getting out of the house to tell the jokes is very healthy. Tamron you said you broke your therapist . How do you break a therapist . I was leaving his Office One Day during a particularly grueling 45 minute session end and i was shutting the door i heard him go [exhales] he heaved a sigh. I dont know this but i heard think he canceled the rest of his appointments. Explaining how bad everything was in my life and he was just tamron thats his job. I know. I know. But thats the comedy and how you found that to be the elixir, depression became overwhelming. Yes, yes. Tamron you are juggling this career as a comedian but you need to amp it up because you want to get better. I got to a point where i wasnt able to perform, i was able to muddle through for months, up to a year and a half where i was doing shows but then i wouldnt sleep right up until thwould sleep right up until the time i had to do the show, thats how i was coping and he got to t where i was so clearly anxious on stage, i had to take a break and i went into the hospital and the interesting thing about People Magazine is that its the sexiest man alive issue. Tamron its sexy when you speak health. I was in it for my crippling Mental Illness. Tt ne tn aisonli b in People Magazine but you didnt special t may specify to the universe in what way. You need to be clear. Yoyou needto say, i need to be t man, i need to beat john legend. [applause] there was a special person who stepped in. When we come back we are going to meet the woman who saved, or help to save it garys life. It more with gary gulman. His special on hbo is fantastic. We will be right back. [applause] millennials take so much flack from middleaged men talking about participation trophies. Their argument is how are they going to learn how to lose . How are they going to learn how to lose . Theyll get some practice. Are you familiar at all with life . Tamron thats a clip from comedian gary gulman is hbo special. Gary credits you with saving his life. Thats a big responsibility for someone to have. It is, its big and overwhelming and in the midst of that, you dont think about it as saving their lif its just a desperate day today, lets try to salvage some normalcy and keep something together. N you are a comedian as well, you get the ups and downs of it. You were at a breaking point, you told her to leave, you didnt want her to stick around for this ride. I Baker Dunleavy because i was feeling guilty about what i was taking away from her life and what a bird and i on her. But she doubled her efforts. I am confessing to a crime here but she grew mushrooms in our house because she had read an article about mushrooms helping people with depression. Tamron illegal mushrooms, that is what they call a ride or die kind of wife. Gary, how did this turn into years later, three years later, you fall in love, she helps you through this and you get this hbo special, what was the pitch like . I said, how can i monetize this suffering . Tamron let me make some money. I just started talking about her onstage out of necessity because early on it was clear that i was off, my hands were shaking, i was very anxious, i would talk about what i was going to and then my manager said, you should do this as a special and incorporate some of the reallife activities in your life, the treatment and also your relationship w w w w w w a documentary. They loved it. Tamron it is hilarious. Especially when you look at something so difficult, congratulations, sade, on your career, and being married. 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