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She would how she was going to catch them together. She had planted recording devices in his office. She named my device liar jerk and called her device whore. Shes listening to everything hes doing. We cant be friends. We cannot talk. Its too painful to see you living your life happy. Then she sent me a text that said, you ruined my life. Then another text that said, i hope you never find happiness. And then a third text that said, bye, mark. The main line is considered the wealthy suburb philadelphia. The term came from the Railroad Line that connects philadelphia to its western iinhat, i have culture or i have success. I remember it being one of those, like, really nice firsttimewarmoutside days. A lot of kids are out ridin their bikes for the first time or moms are pushin strollers. The main line is an idyllic place for families. Privacy is valued highly here. And, people dont like drama. I heard the radio transmission. Multiple gunshot wounds. At that moment, my heart just sank. cause we dont really receive those type of calls. I come outside all up and down the street its just police cars and ambulances all flashing their lights. When we arrived on scene it was kind of chaotic. Im thinking homicide, right away, you know. One of the first people that Police Encounter on the scene is 49yearold Mark Gerardot. He is extremely agitated. He said, i think my wife might be inside. They questioned me. And i was so upset with them for checking me, i was yelling at them. So as police begin to piece together what exactly happened on this normally very quiet street, a shocking tale emerges. One that begins decades earlier when Mark Gerardot first meets his wife jennair. It was the summer of 1986. I would have been 18. I had a mullet and a firebird. And jennair would have been 16. When mark first met jennair, she was working in taco bell, wearing a little taco bell cap. She made a brown polyester uniform look really good. Big beautiful blue eyes and big smile. But i was kind of tongue tied i couldnt even speak. I would see her occasionally, we both were in swing choir. Temperature rising. But i never had the opportunity to talk to her. The real romance didnt begin until four years later when mark ran into her completely by chance. Eventually one day she finally just said, are you going to ask me out, or what . I was quiet, shy. In contrast, jennair, she was the rebel in a leather jacket. She said what she wanted to say all the time. And didnt care what anybody else thought of her. Which is the exact opposite of me. Jennair was a rulebreaker, and that was exciting to mark. She was a shining star that i wanted to follow. When she met mark i can remember her talking, this is the one. She was very excited, she would do anything for mark. Mark liked r hexcited for us to meet her. When hes in, hes in. He was in love and this was the one. She was just a stunning bride. Im the bride, im jennair. We were happy. No cake fight and i couldnt imagine not being with her the rest of my life. Mark and jennair, could be your next door neighbors, they could be your siblings, they could be your husband or your wife. They grew up together. They matured together. Did you ever talk about having children with jennair . We often did. Especially early. Talking about having a family and yet there was really no plan. So we had two golden retrievers. They were our children. Look at that face. Look at that face. Like any marriage, there were good times, there were bad times, there were fights. Our fights, i think some of them were epic. I wasnt privy to all the behind the scenes of their relationship and their life together, but i knew there was intense disagreements, intense reactions to things. You didnt win an argument with jennair. She was always going to have the last word. What would you say the biggest stress on your marriage was . I think, you know, money was always a concern. The economy turned and it just changed everything for us. That was a really bad time. A lot of stress during that time. By 2011, theyd been married 18 years and they are living in south carolina. It became kind of our renaissance of our marriage. We explored the mountains. The beaches. Money and career were still marks career was going well. Jennairs, not. When jennair lost her job, she lost a lot. She lost her pride and she couldnt find another job. Mark said they both decided it was time for a change, and a new start. And so thats when i found the opportunity for creative director at the university of delaware. He looked to see who was doing the hiring there and he found a woman named meredith chapman. He reached out to her and sent her an email introducing himself. And he was thrilled when she replied right away. You land an interview with meredith chapman. I did. 15 years younger than you . She was. What was that initial meeting like . I was actually very concerned. I was concerned about me reporting to someone who was so much younger, who had so much less experience. When i sat across the desk from her witoork for this. She was so articulate and so an the position that she was in. And i was dumbfounded. And then you get the offer. I did. He was excited about that job. It was a good job. He was also excited i think to move to that area of the country. This was some place. He was kind of moving up, if you will. One of the last memories of august 2017 was sharing that once in a lifetime view of the solar eclipse. Oh my god in that moment, in the eclipse, in the darkness, were you happy . I think we were our version of happy. I had my arm around her and we were just basking in the moment. 60 days later it all came crashing down. Bloodshed in pennsylvania. A gruesome discovery. Residents are still reliving managingaudreys on it. S . Eating right and staying active . 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I think one of the things about this story that makes it so compelling is up until the very end, the events that happened arent that unusual. Everything is going according to plan mark is gearing up for his new jennair stayed back to lease our home and so i moved ahead with meredith . It was jawdropping to see her command a room. She led a team overseeing the entire university of delaware brand. She also taught classes. So you fit right in well with the curriculum she had an impressive resume at the age of 32. She had ran for state senatein delaware. Today i am announcing my candidacy for the Delaware State Senate for district 8. And had been named to delawares 40 under 40 for young achievers. Meredith could always be found posting on social media with that big smile. Mark and meredith immediately hit it off. He was just blinded by how engaging she was, how much they had in common. And eventually, finally she said i think after the first two weeks, she said, lets have a drink. When you went for drinks with meredith you poured your heart out to her. I did. I dont know why, but it was so easy to talk to her. I told her about having just lost my parents, both of my parents. It had just happened. And i had just lost my brother as well. Did you talk about your marriage . Not necessarily in a negative way, but i told her about some of the things that had happened over the course of our marriage. Mark felt alive again, the way he had when he had first met jennair. I didnt know it was happening and i was confused by the feelings i was having, to be honest until i think i it became just a little bit more forward with a dinner that we had. It was more of a date. There was a point after that where we shared a kiss. And it was surprising to me. I think it was also surprising to her, but the energy was, it was there. And i immediately felt awful. And i said we cant do this. I cant do this to her. Meaning that you couldnt do that to jennair. I couldnt do that to jennair. And whatever was happening, whatever was about to happen, it just wasnt going to h i called it off. How many weeks into having met her did this happen . Four weeks. It was fast. It was very fast. Mark had applied for a job in colorado before any of this had happened and he gets an interview. So he decides hes going to go out and check it out anyway. And i was in the middle of the interview and something inside me clicked and said i dont want this job. There was something about not seeing through what meredith and i started professionally that i just, i couldnt give it up. Professionally . Both. And personally . From the airport in denver i texted her that i was all in. And how did you feel in that moment when youd made that decision . Its hard to say how i felt. I felt enthralled. It was such a connection to shut it down just didnt feel right. And i had to at least find out what it was that drew us together so much. Mark and meredith find themselves embarking on a whirlwind romance. Meredith was also married. What had meredith told you about her marriage . She certainly wasnt happy. What she said, theyve been married for nine years and for the last three it was more of a show. Did your relationship with meredith reveal the problems in your marriage . Here comes meredith and shes just telling me that im good at what i do. She said that im such a wonderful man id never heard this from jennairs lips ever. Heres this woman who i think is amazing saying that she thinks im a wonderful man. Fair point. . Sh w. Us falling hopeless in love. Its as if mark is living in a parallel universe, unmarried free to explore this new romance, its like he doesnt even have a wife. Do you remember when you first told meredith that you loved her . When i first told meredith it was one of those things that it bottles up inside of you, and you cant not say it. I couldnt not say it and i told her, i love you. And she returned and it was she said i love you, too . She did. It was how do you explain that one month after meeting her . I cant explain it. I cant explain it. I dont know. In the moment, it felt right. Looking back at it, it seemed silly. When i say i love her, i was in love with her, right . I couldnt love her in the way that i loved my wife for 24 years. It was a powerful feeling . It was a very powerful feeling. And i was overwhelmed by it all. Did i still love my wife . Yes. I didnt know what to do with the feelings that i was feeling. They were new, unexpected. At the same time, they were, it was addictive as well. Some people might say what youre describing is a midlife crisis. If you unpack it, what a midlife crisis is, i wouldnt disagree with you. I was 49 at the time. You wonder, is this all there is . What is the rest of my life going to be like . Wed gotten into a pattern that was over and over again, the same thing. And when i got to see that life can be different, theres Something Else, i questioned everything. 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Unbeknownst to mark his conversations with meredith are being recorded by jennair. Ive felt more joy, more excitement this fall than i ever did before. I want to see you again today. I really want to, i kind of need to where are you going to be . Love you. Thanks. Love you too. Bye. She would focus on mark and meredith and what they were doing and how she was going to catch them together. Im counting on celebration drinks tomorrow. Every time she would get more proof, it would give her that sick feeling in her stomach. Everything comes to a head. She blurts out that she has undeniable proof that mark is having an affair. At that time, jennair disclosed that she had taken my phone and had it cloned. She had hired a company to access his phone, to read his texts, to see his photos, to see a record of his calls. I finally just told her, im in love with meredith. I cant deny it anymore. And how did she react . I think she was a bit taken back that i was so bluntly honest. But to me, it was a relief to actually get it out in the open. After i admitted to having a relationship with meredith, i said we can go to counseling. To save your marriage . We were going to go to marriage counseling. We had different, i think, intentions. Mark is getting ready to head to the marriage Counselors Office and throws his coat on and he feels something in the lining of the coat. I kind of straightened the lapel and i felt this strange feeling of something that was inside the jacket. And i reached inside my pocket and i felt what i thought was an antitheft device. So i thought, why is there an antitheft device inside the lining of my jacket . I cut open with an xacto blade the edge of the pocket and pulled out this device, and there was a blinking light. It was a listening device . It was a listening device. And it was sewn into the lining of your jacket . Correct. Everything begins to make sense now that mark realizes hes been bugged. Did you have a good night. This is so shocking to mark because not only has she cloned his phone, shes also bugged his actual person. Shes listening in on almost everything hes doing. Even jennairs own conversations with mark are being recorded. Im done talking about this any further. Maybe if you were truthful with me from the very beginning, i wouldnt have had to dig around like this. She told me she wanted to understand the degree to which meredith and i were in the relationship. She was determined that there was a plan between meredith and i, and she was trying to listen to what that plan was. She had said she was going to quit, and she was done doing it. But theres more. Mark also says jennair admits that shes written their boss at the university of delaware about the affair and shes tracked down and told merediths husband. By the third counseling session, it was obvious to me that this was going in a certain direction. You wanted to end your marriage . I wanted to end the marriage. I told her, im going to be filing a petition for divorce when i meet my residency requirements in may. Things are happening really quickly now. Meredith and her husband are now moving towards a divorce. And mark and meredith are both looking for new jobs. Meredith accepted a prestigious position at Villanova University as an assistant vice president. Both she and mark are looking for new homes, around the beautiful main line suburbs in philadelphia near her new job. Jennair on the other hand is is a life alone in a new city with no job and no support system. She didnt expect that at all. She just, overcome with grief that it had come to this. Everybody says its over. Im not there yet, i cant accept it. Jennair begins to see a divorce coach. Jennairs divorce coach is one of the few people she confides in about the rapid dissolve of her 24 year marriage. When i met with jennair, she told me mostly about the good times. Jennair really loved mark, and this was a shock to her that he was leaving. Jennair was concerned about being tossed away, and mark trading her in for a newer model, a younger model, a prettier model. You dont find me appealing. You dont nd me attractive. You dont want me anymore. You dont even like me. You are miserable. Youre getting to know each other, and you are in love with her. She had a lot of resentment. She had a lot of anger about that. Its not unusual. She had huge fears about being left financially. I realize that this whole situation has caused you not to be able to get a job. I get that, i really do. You screwed the pooch, big time. On us, my future, your future, our future, our finances, everything. You screwed the [ bleep ] pooch because you made an immoral, selfish choice. According to mark, a fight erupts one night because hes found yet another listening device inside one of his jackets. I flipped over a coffee table out of anger. And i said some things that i wish i hadnt said. She was threatening to jump out the window . That was certainly the impression that i was given. Did you, at the time, did you feel like she was just trying to get attention . Yes. Or did you think she was really considering jumping out the window . I was so scared at the moment, i didnt really know. He says he encouraged her to reach out to family and friends and a psychiatrist, which she says she did. And i thought, im doing all i can do. According to mark she seemed to pull herself together and brace for the inevitable divorce. Jennair came out with a list of requirements, if you will, for how the next weeks were going to play out. That we were going to live together until may. We were going to spend as much time as possible together, going on walks, having dinners. Didnt you think that was odd . It was odd, but im trying to land this thing so shes in a good place. How was she acting during that time . Completely normal. Did it feel bizarre for it to seem so normal . No, i was happy that it was going to be so normal. It wasnt all sunshine and roses. There were moments of she would get upset and she would cry and she would break down. I cant watch that happen. I cant watch you have a happy life. I cant. What does that mean . We cant be friends. We cannot talk. I cant. Its too painful for me to see you living your life happy. Shes living my [ bleep ] life. Introducing kfcs newest 5. Fill its finger lickin. Owl. Ooooh cheese. Ooooh chicken. Cheese chicken 5 . chiken cheeeeeeeeeese look at all those 5 fill ups. Kfc. Its finger licki g and stonr with fewer pills. So why am i still thinking about this . Ill take aleve. Aleve. Proven better on pain. Whats better than one how about twoe garden . All new 5 take home entrees enjoy any meal here then take home an alltime favorite like fettuccine alfredo for just 5 more hurry in for 5 take home entrees only at olive garden my grandparents that i never knew. 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Im going to be late. 10 minutes or so go by and she texted me back and said, im not coming. Just go home. And she sent me a text. It was a photo of trash. There was a condom in the middle of that photo. I knew the context of it. Dithsr looking for evidence of any kind that i had been there. And then she sent me a text that said, you ruined my life. And then another text that said, i hope you never find happiness. And a third text that said, bye mark. Meanwhile, im already texting meredith, and shes not replying to me. I thought, okay. So jennair went over to her house, there was a confrontation. Who knows what jennair had said to her, and so i paid the bill and rushed over to her house. So i walked to the back of the house, and i peered in, and that began a moment of shock. I saw meredith face down on her kitchen floor. And i wrapped on the door and yelled her name, and she wasnt acknowledging me. I went to her, and i saw a fleck of blood on her calf. I just couldnt understand why there was blood. So i ran out onto the porch. I hear a commotion outside. And mark is there. He is freaking out. And i said, call 911. I open the door, i notice that in her left hand she still has her keys which i find odd, so i go around and i feel for a pulse on her body. Im startin to think, like, what the hecks going on here . So my next immediate thought is to look around for a weapon, cause i thought mark had hit her. I stood up and i pivoted to my left, and thats when i saw another figure laying there. And she was dressed all in black from head to toe, and i didnt recognize the face and yet i did. It was jennair. It took five seconds and i screamed and ran to her, and i just said to her, baby, oh baby. What have you done . What have you done . I actually heard the radio transmission. It came in as two deceased people. In this community, theres not a lot of calls like that. At that moment, my heart just sank. When we arrived on scene, it was kind of chaotic. Lot of officers there. At first i thought we were dealing with a double homicide. As i approached, the front door had a closed in porch. There was an outer door, and then there was an inner door. That inner door had a broken out pane of glass. The one closest to the door handle was missing, so that obviously raises my suspicion. Do we have a homicide where somebody broke into the home and killed somebody . I dont know what i said to the police. He described the one woman as his wife, and the other one as somebody he was having an affair with. I was yelling at them to get in there and help them, and there was some woman who was helping me finally just grabbed my hand, and said theyre gone. And thats when i completely lost it. Finally the police whisked me off to the police department. Because you were the prime suspect. I was the prime suspect. The murder weapon was not found easily. It ended up that it was under one of the bodies. The murder weapon found was a. 357 caliber revolver. Two rounds had been fired from the handgun. Five rounds still in the weapon. The police said, we have to ask this question, did you shoot these two women . And i literally said, shot them . They were shot . Thats where i pieced it all together, but it still wasnt real. It was determined that jennair had committed a burglary and broken into merediths home. Where she lay and wait for her to return from work. And had murdered her before taking her own life. Is there any way to describe what you were feeling . Nightmare. My world was gone. It felt like suspended reality. It just wasnt real. Any minute. Im going to wake up, and its going to be back to normal. We are learning more about the apparent murdersuicide. By all accounts, it looks like a jealous rage was behind the deadly attack. It doesnt take long for this story to hit the national and international news. Social media turned each of the participants into monsters. Each of them was painted as deserving of their fate and worse. Mark was vilified as the adulterer. Meredith was vilified as the one who broke up the marriage. And jennair was vilified as understandably the killer. It became very clear to me when the news broke, that i had seemed to be in many peoples eyes public enemy number one. Mark is in a state of shock and grief. Shunned by his friends, he channels all that energy into an obsession to find out what was going on with his wife. This was a very plannedout event with significant amount of detail and energy put into that. She was living a double life. Little did i know. [upbeat music] this is my absolute favorite from the target collection. I love the detail. The cat is, like, reaching for the handle. It looks beautiful. Its got the accents of gold. We had the dress, the cardigan, the beloved trolley. The authenticity really read through. Sometimes you have to say, like. Do it again. [music continues] this is a collectors item. 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But the police are finding evidence that jennair has been planning this for some time. A citizen came forward and stated that directly behind the house where the murder took place, that they observed a female in a trench coat, hat, possibly wearing a wig, large glasses and having binoculars. And basically, she was staking out the house. I had to know myself, how she pulled this off why she did what she did. Mark starts poring through jennairs bank statements, phone records, computer backup. And what he finds is almost impossible to believe. Those listening devices mark found earlier were just the tip of the iceberg. She had told me at some point that all the audio recordings had been destroyed. But then to see them all, hundreds of hours of recordings. She had planted recording devices in his office. Shed took all my jackets and had devices that she was cycling in and out. Every day she would take it back out and then sew it back in, download it. So she had done that for weeks. Then she actually transcribed every word of it in notebooks. There were twelve notebooks full of transcripts that she had written. Just days after mark admits to the affair, shes opening a bank account, secret credit cards to cover her tracks. Mark finds transactions for a lockpicking kit he believes she used to break into his office. Computer hacking software, dna testing for his clothes and a sophisticated gps tracking system she personally installed on both mark and merediths cars. So, on the actual gps maps, there were two icons, one showing my car and one showing merediths car. She named my device lying jerk, and she called merediths device whore. She had been watching them for weeks, tracking those two icons wherever they went. There were over 400 images of private conversations that meredith and i had had via snapchat, and my best guess as to how she gained access to my phone was in the middle of the night. I was sleeping on the couch. She put my thumb on the reader. Most chilling, mark says, was finding that receipt for the gun and the box it came in. She bought the gun on march 20th, close to five weeks before she used it. Its unbelievable to think we were headed towards what i hoped to be a civil end. So while jennair has hired and is seeing this divorce coach she has already secret ly purchased the murder weapon. She talked about her options of where she would move to and employment opportunities. So she sounded like someone who was planning for a future, absolutely. But it was literally like two different people. So it was the person who was planning the future and then it was the person who was planning for the end. There were three times where she actually went to a firing range. The last time she went was just hours before she took merediths life and then her own. As mark is crossreferencing records and calendars, he believes he was speaking to jennair while she was at the shooting range. What are you doing tonight . I just got done finishing those errands and im heading back home to do taxes, so. Im hungry im going to set to eat, and finish it up. Its chilling to hear her act that normal and standing in a gun store. Do you have any answers . I think she just wasnt well. And i as i look back seeing things from the very beginning that should have been signs. She wrapped her entire life around mine. She wanted us to be on an island together and she wanted to control that. She left behind a letter that she appears to have begun writing weeks before the crime, that lays out her thoughts and her plan. R starts out by writin i really enjoyed being a wife and partner. Being a caretaker for my family and household was very fulfilling to me. I got the sense that she really had one route to happiness. And it was through her husband. We brought the letter to dr. Robi ludwig a psychotherapist who has studied homicide within marriages. I think its very hard to see somebodys failed psyche sometimes on the outside especially when theyre so invested in presenting a pretty picture to the world. In my opinion, there was rage and wound her up. Just know im thinking about you and im sorry. Thanks. And it gave her the courage to know that she was right, that he was bad. In the letter jennair goes on to say, mark and meredith cannot get away with this. I think at some point when she gave up on her life and became suicidal, thats when she became her most dangerous. I want justice, i deserve respect, i want control, i need to take matters into my own hands. I get the sense she was interested in being the judge and jury in this scenario of her own life and her husbands life. Its as simple as this is payback for what youve done to me. Thats as simple as it gets. So instead of killing you, killing your girlfriend would be a way to harm you the most. Correct. Do you think you couldve stopped it . 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I see some woman who has her build, and her hair and i think, ah, it was all a ruse. I see meredith and so obviously im not over the shock. It left him numb and hollow. She should not be gone from this earth. Ive written her a private letter. I said it should have been me. Why do i get to live you dont . It left him numb and hollow. Ive literally sold everything that i own, and im just driving across the country for a new place. Do you think you could have stopped it . I could have stopped the relationship. I could have handled it completely differently. I broke her heart. My regret comes back to making her feel like she had no other choice. Mark says hes trying to process this tragedy by writing a book. I absolutely hope that someone picks this up some day and learns from it, and the signs about mental illness. Have you forgiven yourself . Im still working on that. Im still working on that. I had a hold of his heart. Have you forgiven jennair . I have forgiven jennair for what she did to me, and i have yet to forgive her for what she did to meredith. She took someone elses life. Its unforgivable. I do not forgive her for that. No. Drowning in the sea a silent song on repeat. It left him numb and hollow. Everybody has a breaking point. I think we have a responsibility as humans to take care of the ones we love, but also the ones we hurt. We have a responsibility to make sure that theyre okay, and i hope if nothing else, these are the lessons that people take away from the story. I had a hold of his heart. We watched this with a number of people by now. Its interesting all the differing opinions about who bears the ultimate responsibility in this tragedy. We want to know what you at home think. Let us know on twitter. So many different opinions on this. A tragedy really for everybody involved. That is 20 20 for tonight. Im david muir. Im amy robach. For all of us here, good night. 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