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Im jonathan karl, lots of news to get to this morning, including the countdown to the first republican debate. Frontrunner donald trump will be center stage, is he ready . What is his strategy . Trump will be with us live momentarily. But first, we start off with breaking news, this mysterious piece of debris has just been found near a fragment of a boeing 777 wing was found just days ago. That piece is set to undergo analysis to see if it is from missing Malaysian Airline flight 370. Lets bring in steve ganyard, many are wondering, is this part of that plane . I think well have to wait and see, jon. This has to go back for forensics testing. Now that we have one piece that washed up every piece that washing up from the ocean is going to look like a boeing 777. We need to continue to go deliberately, slowly and make sure we look at these pieces by themselves and figure out if this is part of the airplane. Okay, so, if this turns out to be part of that plane, is it going to help us pinpoint where that plane went down . And why . Not really, because theyll go back and theyll do some forensics on the metal, it will look at how the metal twisted and how it breaks. Tell us what happened at the end when this airplane hits the water, but its not going to tell us where the pieces of that airplane are, thousands of miles out in the indian ocean off the coast of australia, where the real clues to the mystery are. Thanks, steve. Now to that possible bombshell in the 2016 race, is joe biden about to jump in . Abcs cecilia vega with the new evidence the answer may be yes. Reporter this morning, the strongest signs yet that joe biden might be ready to run. The Vice President s advisers telling abc news, his Political Team has been ramping up in recent days, entering what they call a more active phase. Hi, how are you . Reporter in camp biden, there are discussions about fundraising and launching a Political Action committee, and while the Vice President himself hasnt authorized any of these moves, one adviser tells abc news he believes biden is 90 in. Biden telling george back in january that he is open to a run. Yes, theres a chance. I dont think you have to make up your mind until the summer. I think theres i think its wide open on both sides. Reporter and there could be an opportunity. Less than half of democratic frontrunner Hillary Clintons supporters described themselves as very enthusiastic about her candidacy. My father, my hero, joe biden reporter and now, the New York Times reporting bidens son beau, who died of cancer, pressed his father to run and that the vp has been Holding Meetings at home, talking to friends, family and donors about jumping in. One thing is certain, biden is not saying no. Happy new year. Reporter for this week, cecilia vega, abc news, new york. Thanks, cecilia. Well have much more on the Vice President later, but now, to the republicans and the upcoming debate, its the first big test for frontrunner donald trump, as the New York Times put it, the stakes are in a word, huge. Heres abcs tom llamas. Reporter the first debate just four days away and frontrunner donald trump not studying with you spectating, taking in a Golf Tournament in scotland at a course he just happens to own. As far as preparing for the debates, i am who i am. I have never debated before. Im not a debater. I get things done. Reporter the brash billionaire surprisingly downplaying expectations for his own performance at the gop showdown. I have no idea how ill do. Maybe i will do terribly. Maybe i will do great. Reporter who hell take on is still up in the air, only the top ten candidates polling the highest in five of the most recent polls qualify for the main stage. According to an abc news analysis, if a debate were today, some notable names would be left out of the main event. Including Texas Governor rick perry and Rick Santorum. Meanwhile, candidates sharpening their attack lines. Im rand paul and im trying to kill the tax code. And if this deal goes through, the Obama Administration will become quite literally the worlds leading financier of radical islamic terrorism. Reporter but, are they ready to tangle with trump whos surged to top of the polls by winning some passionate fans . Like, those at this weeks bloomberg townhall. Hes successful. I want to be a billionaire. Tell me what you think a Trump Presidency would look like. Classy. To the American People, it would be a presidency of hope. Reporter some analysts like Fivethirtyeight Nate silver says this may be as far as trump goes. There are about as many voters who dont like donald trump as those who do. Trump will tout his topline numbers and say i have 20 of the base. But, in the end, 20 is not enough, and when half of your own party dislikes you, you dont have very much room to grow from that 20 . Reporter jon, one of trumps main talking points is that he will win the presidency. That he can beat Hillary Clinton. But in the three most recent polls, clinton has a doubledigit lead over trump. Thanks, tom. Lets get straight to the gop frontrunner donald trump who joins us by the phone. Sir, thank you for joining us. Thank you, jon. Ill get to the debate this morning. But we have this news this morning that joe biden is looking in to running, what is your assessment . Would he be harder to beat than Hillary Clinton . I think its a real possibility, because what she did was absolutely in my opinion illegal and i dont think shes going to be allowed to run if they have a prosecutor whos going to be honorable. Because if you look at general petraeus, what he did is nothing compared to what shes done. And his life is in ruins. What they have done to him is incredible and very, very tough. What she did is far worse. So, i think she has a big problem with emails. Obviously her numbers are going so, somebody like biden could go in and do very well and maybe win. Okay, lets get to your big moment. You never debated before, are you ready for this debate, what would you consider a win . Well, im not a debater, these politicians i always say theyre all talk no action. They debate all the time. They go out and debate every night. I dont debate, i have created tremendous jobs. I built a great company. I do a lot of things. Maybe my whole life is a debate in a way. The fact is that im not a debater and they are. But, with that being said, i look forward to that. Well see what happens. Who knows. You obviously havent been afraid to attack your opponents, on the campaign trail. Now, youre going to be on stage with them, are you going to be pulling your punches . I dont think im going to be throwing punches. Im not looking to attack. Dont forget, every single attack you have been attacking every attack i made was a counterpunch. They attacked me first. And i hit them back. Maybe harder than they hit me. The fact is, i have been attacked pretty viciously by some of these guys. I have a lot of respect for numerous people on the stage. Let me tell you, i have Great Respect for some of the people on the stage. But i i have been attacked and i counterpunched. I didnt start the attacks. Okay, some of the more recent ones, jeb bush while you were in scotland, kind of dismissed your rise as a phenomenon. And then you had rand paul who said that if your surge in the poll is a temporary loss of sanity. Well, he may say that. Hes very weak on the military, very weak on defense, probably hurt him very badly. I think hes a nice guy. I contributed a lot of money to his cause where he goes around as a doctor and he goes around and takes care of very seriously ill people and helps them out. I have made a lot of contributions. Im surprised to hear him say that. Maybe it was built up by the press. I would say i was little surprised to hear rand say that. But if he feels that, thats okay with me. Okay, let me get you have been very harsh in your assessment of jeb bush especially. Lets look at what you rote in your book the america we deserve. You said of jeb bush hes exactly the kind of political leader this country needs now and will very much need in the future hes bright, tough and principled. And not just jeb bush. Of Hillary Clinton you said, just in 2012, shes a terrific woman, works hard and i think she does a good job. George pataki, the most underrated guy in american politics. Rick perry, you said, hes a very effective governor. Texas is lucky to have him. Now, you have declared Hillary Clinton the worst secretary of state ever. Pataki,the worst governor of new york ever. You said rick perry is too dumb maybe to be in the debate. Theres a very simple answer to that, i was a businessman all my life, i made a tremendous fortune. I had to deal with politicians. And i would contribute to them and i would deal with them. Certainly im not going to say bad things about people because i needed their support to get projects done. I needed their support for lots of things. I mean, youre not going say horrible things and then go in a year later, and say, listen, can i have your support on this project, or this development, or this business . So i say nice about almost everything and i contributed to people because i was a smart businessman, i built a tremendous company and i did that based on relationships. Now im no longer a businessman. Now, im someone who wants to make our country great. The tone is too weak. And theyre telling jeb i understand what he is saying. He is saying the tone, the tone. Hillary used the exact same word, the tone of trump. Well, we needed a tough tone. Theyre beheading our people theyre beheading christians the world is going crazy. The opponents are not beheading anybody. But the tone has to be tougher. If were going to stop isis, if were going to clean up the border and stop whats happening at the border which is a disaster, which i was very proud to brought up. And took a lot of heat the first week. Now, everyones apologizing to me now that they see that im right. We need a tougher tone. We cant have that tone anymore. We need a strong tone and we need tremendous enthusiasm and as you understand, jeb doesnt have that strong tone and he doesnt have that level of enthusiasm that you need to make our country great again. I feel strongly. But as a businessman, i support everybody. I supported everybody and i did very well doing it. So, let me ask you about something you tweeted last year, you said of barack obama, sadly because president obama has done such a poor job as president , you wont see another black president for generations, what did you mean by that . I think hes been a very poor president , i think he has done a very poor job as president. We have 18 trillion right now in debt and going up rapidly. But what did you mean wait a minute, the world we dont have victories anymore. China is killing us on trade. Mexico is killing us at the border and also killing us at trade. Mexico is doing unbelievably against us in trade. You look at whats going on with japan, you look at whats going on with vietnam, you look at saudi arabia, makes a 1 billion a day and we defend them. We get nothing. I understand our critique, but why do you say we wont see another black president for generations . Because i think that he has set a very poor standard. I think that he has set a very low bar and i think its a shame for the africanAmerican People. By the way, he has done nothing for africanamericans, if you look at whats gone on with their income levels, you look at whats going own with their youth, i thought he could be a great cheerleader for this country. I thought he would do a fabulous job for the africanamerican citizens of this country, he has done nothing. They are worse now than just about ever excuse me, they have problems now, in terms of unemployment numbers, look at their unemployment numbers. And you have here you have a black president whos done very poorly for the africanamericans of this country. And i think that i will win the africanamerican vote and i think i will win the hispanic vote. And if you see the recent polls that came out, jon, youll see that because im leading in the hispanic vote. All right, were almost out of time. I want to go through a lightninground questions. To get a sense of what a Trump Presidency would look like. Supreme court, whos your model of Supreme Court nomination . Well i have a number of people that i like. But i will say this. When it comes to the Supreme Court, high intellect and very conservative. I would like really high intellect and very conservative. Would President Trump authorize waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques . Even torture. I would be inclined to be very strong. When people are chopping off other peoples heads and were worried about waterboarding, i have no doubt that that works. I have absolutely no doubt. You mention you mention waterboarding. It was such a big subject. I havent heard that word in a year now. When you see the other side is chopping off heads, waterboarding doesnt seem that severe. Okay, i want to get a sense what a trump cabinet looks like, very quickly, throw out a couple names, secretary of state . I think its far too early to put names out. Im certainly looking at the field, there are certainly tremendous people we could put in but it would be somebody who is very strong and very smart. And what else is important very energyic. You need a lot of energy. Running mates . Sarah palin said some very nice things about you and you said some very nice things about her, would you consider her . Wut xz well i dont think she could want to be considered. The answer is, you know, i like sarah palin a lot, i think palin has gotten some unfair press. But i would pick somebody who would be a terrific, you have to view it as, who would be a good president in case something happened but i would there are many many people out there that i think would be very good. Last question, Reince Priebus chairman of the party, said all candidates should pledge not to run as a third party if they dont win the nomination. Will you take that pledge this morning . I will tell you this, im leading in every poll, in some cases by a tremendous margin. People are surprised. Im not surprised. People who know me arent surprised. Because they see what is going on with this country. If im treated fairly by the Republican Party, i would have no interest in doing that. If im not treated fairly by the Republican Party, i very well might consider that, and i would certainly not give that up. Okay, donald trump, thank you for joining us. Okay, thank you very much. 17 republican candidates are trying to get on that debate stage this week, one of them is Rick Santorum, he won the Iowa Caucuses last time. Received 4 million votes overall and was the runnerup to mitt romney. Senator santorum joins me now. You just heard from trump, hes emphatically not ruling out a thirdparty run . Well, you know, im not concerned about that, the Republican Party is going to treat every candidate fairly, they have rules and theyre going to live by those rules, and donald trump like every other candidate will rise and fall. I dont have any fear that donald trump somehow is going to treated unfairly and therefore run as a thirdparty candidate. Okay, lets get to you, right now, it looks like youre not going to be on that debate stage, youre not in the top ten, youre quite a ways out, what do you say about these debate rules that can leave you, the runnerup last time, out of the first debate . Yeah, theyre pretty arbitrary. I saw a poll recently, they asked iowa caucusgoers, if they could name all the president ial candidates and 80 could name only three. And the National Polls are irrelevant. I was at 1 in the nation poll four years ago. I won 11 states, 4 million votes. I won the iowa caucus. In fact, i won the Iowa Caucuses, two weeks before the Iowa Caucuses, which i event eventually won, i was 2 in the National Polls. National polls mean nothing. Its an arbitrary figure. Unfortunately the networks and the rnc have gone along with this irrelevant measure of the legitimacy of candidacy. The ability to influence whos in the top ten by the amount of coverage they get, the amount of advertising dollars. Folks who have advertised on fox and fox business in order to drive their numbers up. This is and i hear it everywhere i go. Im here in iowa right now, i was in New Hampshire and heard it very strongly. South carolina. People are very concerned that the media, they are going to decide who the top candidates are. Not the people of iowa, noft the people of New Hampshire. Thats wrong. But to be clear this is the chairman of the Republican Party, this is the rnc that have signed off on these criteria. Youre being frozen out of this first debate. I have said it from day one. Well, look, heres what i know, four years ago, there was a straw poll, i finished fourth. Way down in the pack. The two people, the person that finished first, didnt win a gate, a few days later, another candidate came in with hundreds of thousands of dollars, was at the top of the polls in august, he didnt win a delegate. Im not worried about whats happening here in august, whether its a debate or the like. Im looking for the opportunity for every candidate in this race be heard on a national stage, they deserve it, these are really good qualified men and women. I guarantee you someone in that first debate is going to be someone whos going to get a lot of delegates come next year and it will be another incident where the rnc and the National Media missed it. Okay, i want to ask you about your status, you mentioned the National Polls, lets look at polls in iowa, where you won, in the most recent poll you were at less than 1 in iowa. What has happened . Where did all of your support go . Number one, theyre not talking about caucusgoers. It was a much broader poll than that. Number two, again, when i talked to folks, i spent several days here, most of the people i talked to are undecided. Actually, were getting a fair amount of support, but a lot of folks are undecided. Im on their list. Theyre going to work their way through these candidates. The folks that are doing well, not surprisingly are getting most media attention. So, again, im not concerned about what happens now, im going to go out, i have been to almost 60 counties in iowa, well continue as we are, getting our caucus captains and getting our county organizations together, and come february, when it matters, not august, come february, well be there, well surprise people again and theyll scratch their head and say, gee, why did we mess up this summer and not recognize that all candidates who can bring something to the table should be in this game. No doubt youll hit all 99 of those counties. Thank you, senator santorum. Coming up, the roundtable on the trumps big debate moment. 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Now, the growing debate over trophy hunting sparked by that american dentist who allegedly killed the famous lion cecil after luring him out of a National Park in zimbabwe, and overnight, there were new questions about the fate of cecils companion. Well talk to jack hanna shortly, but first, the latest from abcs alex perez. Reporter this morning, were learning that jericho the lion is still alive as seen in a photo taken this morning after conflicting reports of his death saturday, but the outrage over the death of his companion cecil is growing. The hunting of all lions, leopards and elephants now suspended in zimbabwe. Hunting has been suspended. Reporter meanwhile, still no public sighting of minnesota dentist dr. Palmer, who admitted to shooting cecil this month. Palmer said he broke no laws. Zimbabwean authorities are demanding his return. Pronchts sesss have started and we are looking forward to his extradition. Reporter all of this putting a spotlight on an alreadyheated debate on trophy hunting. Conversations hoping that lions drop from the endangered list and put a ban on trophy hunting imports. We should really shame these people, this is not acceptable behavior in this day and age. Reporter but hunting advocates say its a critical way to pay for conservation efforts. For this week, alex perez, abc news, chicago. And jack hanna joins us now from montana, hes director emeritus of the columbus zoo. Has spent time on that very animal reserve that cecil appears to have been lured from in africa. Mr. Hanna, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. So, i got to ask you, what was your reaction when you first heard the news about cecil . Well, you can imagine, working with animals for almost 40 years now, actually my wife and i worked there and raised lines. The thing is, people have to understand that. In 1947 when i was born, there were about 450,000 lions. In the mid70s, when my kids were born, there 100,000. Today, there are less than 30,000. When i first started filming there in the late 70s early 80s, there were lions everywhere. Obviously today, their numbers have dropped. As far as what happened, real quickly, four things here, i wasnt there, you werent there. Number one, this animal was habituated, that means by the way, i filmed in the exact same place in 2011. The researchers studying the animal from the distance. That animal knows that. That lion knew that for 15 years or so, right . When you go up on this animal, it sits there. It mean habituated, its not tame, its just sitting there. Number two is, all of a sudden, you go through and you drag a carcass to the hunting side, that was proven that they drug the carcass. Now, someone said that the man the animal was lured so it can be hunted by a bow and arrow. Now, someone said that the man might not have seen the collar on the lion. I was there when they were collaring the lions, therefore you could see that collar. Theres another item right there. You can imagine already, they didnt have the right permits, that could be or that could not be. Obviously by the way, im not antihunter. Im not a hunter. As far as the dollars that go into this, hunting in general throughout the world, millions, trillions of dollars go into it to protect the animals as well. This whole thing as you said is very difficult situation. Right now, if you have lions, as far as hunting lions in sbim bob way, we know the country of zib bob way, the issues they have right right now are beyond abominable. Clearly in your view, he did something very wrong here, had to know he was doing something wrong. Zimbabwe has asked for him to be extradited. What do you think should happen to him . Well, lets put it this way, several years ago, i dont know the exact year. You can look it up. A gentleman was in yellow stone and took an elk, took the animal killed the animal and he got very hefty fine, 40 or so years in prison, that was because of an elk in our own country. What should happen is, as far as extraditing him to zimbabwe if you know about zimbabwe, that is not some place you think he should be punished. He could go for jail for this . Yeah, i think every good hunter would agree, something has to happen here. And the doctor must know himself that something has to happen here. Because thats not what good hunters do. When he came out here, he had to know. He had to know some of these four points i just pointed out. You cant just drag a carcass out there and shoot him out there like a cow. Very quickly do you think its time, i know youre not antihunter, but is it time to put aside this issue of trophy hunting . I think issues have to be looked at, yes. Im not saying the end to everything. The predator relationship to prey is messed up in a lot of places, so, you have to work on that, however, you have to look at it consider the loss of the lions. Take some of these animals that might be plentiful somewhere and put these animals in other areas where they need these animals. Thanks very much, jack. Coming up gop are the committee Reince Priebus on the gop debate and Bernie Sanders joins us from New Hampshire. He just pulled off the biggest grassroots event of the 2016 campaign. Hes next. You had some blocks and you had major thoroughfares and corridors that were just totally pitch black. Those things had to change. We wanted to restore our lighting system in the city. You can have the greatest dreams in the world, but unless you can finance those dreams, it doesnt happen. At the time that the bankruptcy filing was done, the Public Lighting Authority had a hard time of finding a bank. Citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. 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What do you think, does biden the sitting Vice President represent that establishment politics or could he be a voice for change here . Well, i have known joe biden for many years and im very fond of joe. But i think the American People who have seeing the middle class of this country disappearing, massive levels of income and wealth inequality, a Campaign Finance system which is literally corrupt right now, want to go beyond conventional establishment politics. And i think, when you mention why we have had 100,000 people on wednesday night coming out all over this country saying enough is enough, government has to respond to the needs of the middle class, not to billionaires, i think thats whats going on in this country and im not sure that conventional politics will do it anymore. Let me ask you, theres no doubt a tremendous achievement this grassroots gathering all over the country, but the New York Times did an analysis of who showed up, according to your own numbers on this, more attendees from the Seattle Metro arian than all the early states iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina combined. These came from the liberal base of your party, i have to ask you, youre not going to get elected president if you cant broaden your appeal beyond the far left of the democratic party, how do you do that . Well, thats a fair question, jonathan, and let me just say this, if you and i were having this discussion three months ago, you would not have anticipated that we would have brought 100,000 people out on wednesday night, that we would have the largest crowds of any candidate in iowa, New Hampshire and all over this country. We have made phenomenal progress in the last three months and you know what, were going to continue to make that kind of progress. We are going to be reaching out effectively, i believe, to the africanamerican community. I have not only one of strongest civil rights voting record, but we have an agenda for raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour. To making public colleges and universities tuitionfree, that will appeal to the africanamerican and the hispanic communities. So lets talk three months from now. I think our campaign makes significant inroads all across the country. You have taken some heat on the issue of immigration, you voted against the 2007 Immigration Reform bill, that included a path to citizenship, that was the best chance in a generation to get a path to citizenship for those who in this country, undocumented immigrants in this country. Do you regret voting against that now in hindsight . No, lets be clear, number one, i voted for the 2013 comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation. Which was blocked. But im asking you about the one that actually had a chance but let me finish, ill give you the answer. And the answer is that absolutely, we need a path to citizenship for undocumented workers. We need to take people out of the shadows. What my concern then was and remains is with these guest worker programs, which youre reading about, where you have folks in Hightech Industries getting fired while corporations are bringing people from russia and other countries into the United States to replace American Workers and to drive wages down. In the last bill, what i was able to do, by the way, at a time when youth unemployment is unbelievably high in the United States, i was able to get language in that puts a 1. 5 billion to create jobs for kids in this country. For africanamerican kids, white kids, hispanic kids. Where the Unemployment Rate is very, very high. Let me ask you, you have been a leader on climate change, we saw Hillary Clinton on the issue of the keystone pipeline, had a very interesting answer when asked whether she supported or opposed it, if its undecided when i become president ill answer your question. What does that say about a president ial candidate who wont answer a question as basic as that . Well, listen, needless to say, i have a hard time understanding that response. If we are serious about the planetary crisis of climate change, jonathan, for all intents and purposes the debate is over. The Scientific Community is unanimous in telling us its very real. Im very proud by the way just yesterday, we received the endorsement from friends of the earth, one of the largest environmental organizations in america. Thats one of the reasons they gave me their endorsement. Hey, were out of time. Yes or no answer to one quick question, Hillary Clintons poll suggest that a lot of people dont see her as honest and trustworthy, do you think Hillary Clinton is honest and trustworthy . I have a lot of respect for Hillary Clinton. She is somebody i have known for 25 years. Im not going to be engaging in personal attacks against her. So you wont be saying whether or not she i will not be engaging in personal attacks against her. She and i disagree on many issues. The American People want a serious debate about serious issues, not personal attacks. Senator sanders, thank you very much for joining us. Coming up the roundtable weighs in on joe bidens testing the waters and trumps make or break moment. No one will be watching the no one will be watching the first gop debate more closely than the chairman of the rnc Reince Priebus. He joins us now from wisconsin. I got to ask you, mr. Chairman, you heard criticism of the rules. You helped craft by Rick Santorum. You received harsher criticism from Lindsey Graham who said, i think it sucks when asked about your rules. So, what do you say, how can you leave a guy like Rick Santorum out of the first debate . First of all, we wanted to do a few things, jonathan, you got to go back to the beginning. Number one, were not having a 23debate circus, okay, we cut the debates to nine. We didnt want to have extremely liberal moderators conducting the debates. So we had some say over the moderators. Now, what people have to understand, im not going to bore people to death on this, the federal Election Commission has rules. This airtime right now, your Company Controls it. I dont get to tell you who put on your Corporate Air time, and so there are some things that we dont control. Now, that being said, cnn and fox have agreed that every candidate, all 17, are going to participate in debate night. So, were proud of the fact that everyone running is going to have an opportunity. And the reality is, it might be a little bit harsh, you cant necessarily treat someone thats polling at 18 or 20 the same as someone thats polling at. 5 or 1 . Everyone is going to have an opportunity. I got to ask you. I have seen the contract the networks have with the rnc about the debates. It says clearly the criteria getting into the debate will be done in consultation with you. You had a role here i dont have a contract. Youre wrong, i dont have a contract with fox news and i dont have a contract with cnn. But that all being said, we are in consultation, and i have talked to them, but you know what, im not opposed to what their doing. I actually think theyre doing great job. Im actually very grateful to fox news and cnn for the fact theyre letting every single person, all 17, participate in debate night. Okay, let me i think we got amnesia. Four years ago, do you remember jon huntsman and gary johnson didnt make the cut of some debates. Im sure you remember that. The point is, there is a meritocracy involved but that being said, everyone is going to have an opportunity. I think its great. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Appreciate you taking time to join us this morning. The roundtable is here now. Former House Speaker newt gingrich. Abcs cokie roberts. Democratic strategist maria cardona. And rep strategist kristen soltisanderson. Mr. Speaker, i asked you about in mr. Trump. You owned a couple of those debates. How are these republican candidates going to deal with him on that stage . I dont know. I think hes the guy that has the most to win and the most to lose. I think what reince described has a certain irony to it. It may well be that the folks who are at the 5 00 debate have a more interesting debate and a greater ability to get their message out and in an age of social media, they can take their best lines and get them out to all of their supporters. It may be im not saying it will. But it may be that the 9 00 becomes the trump versus everybody brawl and in some ways, you might be happier not to be in the middle of the barroom. While the brawl is going on. You have a situation you could see the former governors of new york, sitting governor of ohio at the kids table. The rules are crazy. The only reason it matters, because once theyre cut off, it puts them in a position which makes it harder to raise money and organize, because they look like losers and i think thats crazy. Im sorry that mr. Priebus has limited the number of debates. I loved the 23 debates. You didnt mind all of the debates . No. Hillary and barack obama had 22 debates. Right. Theres this establishment fantasy, that if only we had controlled the debates, somehow our candidate would have emerged more articulate, more intelligent, less wounded. Thats nuts. But we are where we are, and i actually think that given where we are, having two debates is not that bad of an idea. And my advice, to the ones who are in the 5 00 debate if you optimize your opportunity you may actually get more out of it than the bottom half of the 9 00. I think its going to be all about creating moments. Its going to be all about creating the thing that helps you cut through the clutter. Even for the just pretend. You know, most americans are going to see the couple of moments that come out of this and the question is, are those moments people picking fights with donald trump or donald trump picking fights with them . Or are they going to what is your guess . Be moments about substance and ideas for what is going. Whats your guess . I think thats going to be a night democrats are going to be grabbing their popcorn and republicans are going to be grabbing their ulcer medicine. Because i agree. I think its going to be a free for all, especially the later debate. I think the earlier debate could have much more serious conversation about substance. There are substantial people in that debate. I think fox news lost an opportunity to put everybody on stage, which cnn is doing as an example. Have backtoback debates. Exactly. In at least in primetime. That way, at least theyre not relegated to the loser time frame. Trumps big thing is that right now, in our poll, 30 of republicans say theres no way theyre going to vote for him. Now thats a huge number. And if he can convince those people that he is someone to vote for, thats his big challenge. And you dont underestimate him. You think he can actually win this . I think peggy noonan did a column yesterday, somethings happening in this country, none of the leader understand it. People are disgusted with the failure of this country to make sense, and people look around and they see the borders are uncontrolled, they see isis still existing, they see the mess in greece, they see all sorts they see baltimore they see ferguson and people dont like chaos. People like leadership. But do you think trump could actually win the republican nomination . Yes, i do. Trump is playing this game, and everybody else is playing this game. The establishment understands this game. Trumps game is very simple we need someone really, really tough. Im really, really tough. As you remember well, a lot of the same people voted for george wallace, the segregationist from alabama, and george mcgovern. The liberalist. Were seeing that same kind of disgust from that establishment. I want to move to the other side we have some polling this week that showed some real potential problem for Hillary Clinton. First of all, quinnipiac showed jeb bush with a narrow lead, and even scott walker neck and neck with Hillary Clinton. Now we see joe biden may jump in. I dont think thats a problem at all. I think this is frankly something that the campaign has already built into their strategy, they knew early on, we talked about this the last time i was on that she was going to be challenged. Early on, the thought was that it might be elizabeth warren. Then, Bernie Sanders jumped in. Do you think biden is going to come in . I think biden should consider every possibility. I think right now, youre seeing all of his friends, all of his family, theyre going through an incredible grieving process, it was beau bidens last wish, he has to consider it, he has to deliberate every single possibility and avenue for him to jump in. And i think he deserves to do that for beau. But i also think at the end of the day, doing it because beau biden wanted him to do it is not reason enough. So well see. But thats not why you would do it. Im sure its a consideration do a degree. But what you have people in the establishment, as you say, coming and saying, were scared, were scared shes not going to make it. Shes not going to make it and then that becomes a very compelling argument. But lets be very clear, were not at that point yet. All of the polls you mentioned, look at the enthusiasm among the democrats. Yes, Bernie Sanders is getting huge crowds and yes, hes getting bigger numbers in the polls. But she still has a substantial lead over him and the democratic enthusiasm within the Democratic Caucus and primary voters is tremendous. That is something what is your read of biden . Could he get in this and actually give her a real challenge . Biden has only ever really been in the Single Digits in the polls. Really, he hasnt shown a lot of strength. Up to this point, Hillary Clinton is clearly the strong frontrunner. But for people who hunger for someone who doesnt sound like a till cap politician, i think joe biden has been in the game a while. But hes certainly better than Hillary Clinton on that metric. So, to the extent he can excite people who may be think that Hillary Clinton is too much a traditional politician who doesnt have clear answers on questions, that may be his opening. She did a very good job at the urban league, where she did get africanamericans fired up. And she went after jeb really hard. And she went after jeb in a way they also responded to. They also have a new message out, the grandmother message and shes using it very well. Climate change, everybody says im not a scientist. She says im not a scientist either, im just a grandmother with two eyes and brain. Thats brilliant. She had banner day on friday. Not only did she take it to jeb bush in florida at the National Urban league focusing on the right to rise, and contrasting that to all the policies that jeb bush would not help this rise. But shy had a terrific speech at fiu where rubio has a teaching gig, so, shes really taking them on and the contrast between a forwardlooking engagement with cuba and rubio and frankly the rest of the republicans focused on a backwardslooking policy, i think, is tremendous. Mr. Speaker, biden has to look at what happened to hillary and look at the polls and see an opening. Well, look, lots of people biden would like to run, if he can figure out the right angle. I agree, he tends to Single Digits. But i see this institution a little different. President obama has presided over the worst collapse in state and local offices of any president in the democratic party. In the last century. Okay, so youre coming in to 16, already having lost most of your bench at the state legislature, the governor, et cetera. Its going to start sinking into democrats that, despite good speeches and lots of bravado, Hillary Clinton is a disaster, shes a disaster because of corruption, because of arrogance. What trump said was right. You look at how they treated general petraeus and you look at what she did with her emails, in any other circumstance she would be going to jail. Not the white house. Were out of time. You are on the robert absolutely disagreeing with everything he just said. Thank you, everyone. Coming up, my conversation with b in our sunday spotlight, baseball phenom bryce harper of the washington nationals. Fans know he brings plenty of passion to the field and hes also inspiring a new generation of baseball fans. And harper to right field reporter hes the hottest hitter in baseball. Upper deck reporter having a year any ballplayer would dream of, all at an age when most are in the minor leagues. Youre having a hell of a season. Im trying. You know, i think as a team, were having a great year. Were having a lot of fun as a team. Reporter harper was just 16 years old when he was christened baseballs chosen one on the cover of sports illustrated. You said your goals was to be in the hall of fame definitely, but be considered the greatest baseball player who ever lived. Where does that kind of confidence come from, from a 16yearold . If you dont have the goal to be the best, whats the point of playing . I want to be the best i can to help my team win. Reporter he made his Major League Debut at 19, becoming rookie of year with his Old School Hustle and power at the plate. Now 22, harper is having a breakout season, rivaling some of the best in major league history. You already have more home runs than previous years. It seems like its clicking. The biggest thing was i was healthy, the past couple of years, i would have these freak accidents. 2013 i ran into the wall, banged up my knee. In 2014, i slid into third base, banged up my thumb. I was out for go two months both of those times. My main goal going into this year was trying to stay healthy, trying to play smart. Reporter youre 100 guy. Yes, and im still going to play that way every single day. A diving catch in the outfield or going in the stands. Reporter harper has also gone into the stands in a different way this year, going viral with this selfie he shot with a fans phone last month. He reached over the fence to one of his youngest fans in spring training. His on field play has given him plenty of fans at National Park. Whos your favorite player . Bryce harper. Bryce harper. Bryce harper. Reporter while baseballs overall attendance is thriving, its fans are older than any other major sport. And fewer young people picking up the glove to play the game. The nationals hope to change that. The Youth Academy provides afterschool education in baseball instruction with a field of dreams facility in one of washingtons toughest neighborhoods. These kids are able to go over there and get away from whatever theyre going through and enjoy the game of baseball. Reporter this year, every Washington Little League team is the nationals. The team has outfitted nearly 5,000 little leaguers with their very own nats uniforms. Wearing the nationals colors and the nationals uniform, it gives them the opportunity to plap in the big leagues one day. Thats the ultimate goal. Reporter its been ten years since baseball returned to the Nations Capital and harper hopes that this is the year that the Team Brings Home a world series title. The first in washington since 1924. I want to, you know, win a world series. I want that more than anything in the world, and i want to bring that back. Reporter but first, lets get my daughter anna over here for a selfie. Thanks a lot. Our thanks to bryce harper and the washington nationals. Before we go, good news, no death of u. S. Service members overseas in july. Thats all for us, thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. Check out world news tonight. And well see you back here next week. In the news this sunday the Massive Wildfire in lake county nearly doubles in size. We have the latest. 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