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After the show yesterday evening, sky news broke a story, very serious story that there were chinese cyber hackers undoubtedly working for directly or indirectly, the Chinese Government attempting to hack mod data of up to 270,000 people. They are current serving personnel and veterans from the last few years. They were after their details, including details of their bank accounts. Wow. I thought this is a really big, big story. Yet what do we get from the government today . Repeated attempts to try to play it down here was rishi sunak earlier on today. Speaking at the Crystal Palace academy. Just explain why youre not naming china there, said the defence secretary will be making a full statement to Parliament Later today. And more generally, if you look back to our integrated review, i set out a very robust policy towards china, which means that we need to take the powers which we have done to protect ourselves against the risks that china and other countries pose to us. They are a country with fundamentally different values to ours. Theyre acting in a way that is more authoritarian at home, assertive abroad. Thats why, for example, we blocked Chinese Investment into a sensitive Semiconductor Semiconductor company last year. Again, thats just one of the numerous actions that weve taken to protect this country. And recently, i announced a historic increase in our defence spending. Our defence spending. No, Prime Minister, the question wasnt about defence spending. It was about the spending. It was about the Chinese Government attempting to hack serious details. But i have to tell you, i have no idea what rishi sunaks position on china actually is. It seems to move around with the wind. But its okay because the Prime Minister assured us that the defence secretary, grant shapps , would secretary, grant shapps, would tell us all in the house of commons this afternoon. Commons this afternoon. This was the work, as i say, of a malign actor who compromised a contract to run a network entirely separate from the mod core system. However as ive said, we cannot at this stage rule out state involvement from elsewhere. From elsewhere. Well, it was up to john healey, the shadow defence secretary, labour, and he did come out with it absolutely clearly. Mr deputy speaker, the media have clearly been briefed that china is behind the hack, but the defence secretary only tells us about a malign actor. Now, the government rightly has a very rigorous system before official accusations or attributions are made. But if attributions are made. But if this data breach is found to be carried out by a hostile state, it would represent a very serious threat to our national security. And the government have been warned. The isc have been warned. The isc committee confirmed in its china report last year. Cyber attacks by hostile states now happen daily, and our wider Armed Forces Community are being targeted. But the Committee Also targeted. But the Committee Also found no cross government china strategy completely inadequate. Resourcing and Defence Intelligence with no systematic record of resources focused on china. China. When you look at the way grant shapps dealt with that and the way john healey dealt with that, is it any wonder that the labour party are now more trusted on defence than the conservatives, something historically that would have been very difficult to say at any point during my lifetime. So why cant this government be straight with us about china . Straight with us about china . Want to get your thoughts on it . Please farage gbnews for. Com. Well, im joined by sir iain duncan smith, of course , former duncan smith, of course, former leader of the party and mp for chingford and Woodford Green at ian. What is your partys policy on china . On china . Well, first of all, i should state that i am sanctioned by the Chinese Government. The Chinese Government. I know, i know your position and ive been hacked regularly and ive been hacked regularly and has my organisation, the inter parliamentary attacks on china. So my view on this is very clearly that i think there is a bit of confliction inside the government. I think the Foreign Office is very opposed to taking on china because of business and all the other reasons they give. I think in places like defence, they are wanting to name names and to start squaring up to china on this. So so the reality is that our problem starts with the integrated review , which the integrated review, which when rishi sunak was trying to be Prime Minister he said they were a systemic threat. Yep. I agree. When we got the agree. When we got the integrated review refreshed, it turned out that they were in fact an epoch defining challenge , and the brilliant thing about it was we were going to meet that challenge with robust pragmatism. Now, that sounds like someone of a scriptwriter of. Yes, Prime Minister had got into the policy. So ive argued into the policy. So ive argued endlessly, you have to proclaim that they are a threat. They are a threat. They know theyre a threat. Everybody else knows that the americans know theyre a threat. Of course, for some reason, i think, you know, theyre a threat. I know not calling them a terrorist threat. I mean, they were responsible for covid. You dont get much bigger threat than that. Why . I go back to this question that im going to get to. I think some very interesting answers from the viewers and listeners on why cant they be straight with us . Why over this issue . You know, john healey, i mean, john healey, very impressive performance , very, impressive performance, very, very clear about what the problem was about the lack of preparedness. Why cant they be straight with us . Well, clearly, overnight somebody from the mod briefed that they knew that it was more likely than not that it was china. They were the malign actor. And then china. They were the malign actor. And then in the morning, the government got worried that that would be done on the basis they dont have the full facts. So it the truth is, its almost certainly china , after all, certainly china, after all, china. I think the fbi described china. I think the fbi described china as having the biggest cyber warfare unit in the world, dwarfing everybody elses, including their own. They are malign. They have a purpose in malign. They have a purpose in life, which is to destroy democracy. Human rights and freedom. They are against democracy completely. And theyve made it clear from the beginning their purpose in life is to destroy those elements and return the to world autocracy. Thatis return the to world autocracy. That is their plan, and we need to take it on. And, you know, i just made the point also that it was two years, nearly two years ago, that the american on air services told us secretly that they had hacked china, had hacked the Electoral Commission and was hacking a large number of mps. It took us a year and a half to finally come back to the despatch box and accept that it was china that did it. And i think the reason why they dont want to do this, because what follows next must be sanctions. And sanctions mean you are in a stand off with china, and that has to be the case. Americas already in that position. We should be in the same. Well, youre clear, but your your Party Leaders are National Leaders are not. Lets have a look at the technical side of this. Im joined by professor kevin curran, professor of Cyber Security at Ulster University and group leader for the Cyber Security and Web Technologies research group. Kevin the company involved, scl, was named by john healey in the house of commons. It seems everything with the mod, from recruitment to dealing with issues like this, is outsourced. Does that this, is outsourced. Does that actually make sense, or would it just be that the mod would not have the Technical Skills to look after this data themselves . Look after this data themselves . It comes down to cost. Usually in the end of course, organisations outsource, especially Something Like payroll because regulations change all the time. Tax codes, change all the time. Tax codes, Everything Else and software can of course make that easy. The question here is whether the military should outsource again to make something what we would say maybe cost savings. And of course, the mod has been on a cost saving exercise for many years now, and removing a lot of the real estate, but also infrastructure as well. So the main question is can the military, the mod follow what is kind of generally taken, as you know , the rules in ordinary know, the rules in ordinary leading industries as well. But of course, i mean, they used to have of course all of this in house as well. But so many systems now are being outsourced again. And of course there are so many ways that into systems again. So theres always a worry about the supply chain, the Software Supply chain, again being one of the weakest links whenever it comes to hackers infiltrating infrastructure. Infiltrating infrastructure. The big question, professor karen, are there things we can do to stop the chinese being successful with hacking . Or is it one of those games where Technology Just just keeps moving on and its difficult to keep ahead of the bad guys . Keep ahead of the bad guys . Its always a cat and mouse game, but of course it comes down to resources. But of course, the mod is funded by the taxpayer. So how much . Of course do we associate . You know, how much do we allocate to something again to protect and something of course everyone believes theyre secure, but of course it takes months for us to discover if someone is inside a system. And of course we have, as ian has said again, that the Chinese State sponsored group, the apt 31, as we said, we have 100,000 plus hackers here who get up in the morning and code until they go to bed again, that their mission is to infiltrate the western systems again. And any governments again that they deem worthy of again. So they have allocated huge resources again to doing this again. But they only have to get lucky once as well. The modern systems are incredibly complex again, but we do have auditors. We do have best practice guidelines, of course, and we have to come along later and see. Did the Third Party Company again, the scl , did they adhere to best scl, did they adhere to best practice again or you know , were practice again or you know, were you know, were you know, so we have ways of being able to do that of course. But again it comes down to resources. It comes down to resources. It comes to down how much money can we allocate again. Is it is it Cost Effective for us to outsource our military payroll and other systems as well to third parties . Yeah, which are headquartered in different countries, i am yeah, i worry about this outsourcing. Lets wait and see. There will be an inquiry. Lets hope, professor karen, we get some answers and thank you for joining us, ian. Again and again, ive talked about capita on this program, outsourcing of recruitment for the army , navy, recruitment for the army, navy, air force, complete disaster. People, people waiting up to six months and giving up the ghost and not bothering, outsourcing does does worry me greatly. Lets finish this and move on to ukraine. The Chinese Embassy have said the so called Cyber Attacks by china against the uk are completely fabricated and malicious slanders. We strongly oppose such accusations. China has always firmly fought all forms of Cyber Attacks according to the law. So there you are in to the law. So there you are in what can i say . Absolutely im bowled over. Im bowled over. Quick thought. Important. Yeah. Youre wearing the ukraine flag. Youve been very clear flag. Youve been very clear from the start that we should support ukraine and allow ukraine to defend herself. Yeah lord cameron went a step further than that yesterday. He said weve emptied the coffers and weve emptied the coffers and weve given all this kit to ukraine, some of which is arriving today. And if they want to use british made kit to fire missiles into russia, thats all fine. So it seems to me weve weakened our own position in, in terms of our own material needs, in case of a crisis. And we have provoked you know, the expected reaction from russia doesnt seem a very wise thing to have said. Well, i dont know whether thatis said. Well, i dont know whether that is policy or whether it was his view, but i have to tell you, hes the foreign secretary, for goodness sake. So we have to assume its policy. But my main point is im not quite in the same place here with this as with you on this. My with this as with you on this. My view is that ukraine has faced the most diabolical attacks from russia into their territory, into their cities. I mean, the devastation in some of the cities ive been out there a number of times is absolutely horrendous. The lives lost, civilians you would call should not be targets, but they have been killed. Russia fights with no holds barred. Ukraine fights no holds barred. Ukraine fights with both hands tied behind its back because its surrounded by russia. But it cant actually attack russia. And so theyve been already doing some of the attacks now more with the drones. But the reality is russia cant just play the war as it wishes. And for ukraine, i understand why there are some strategic targets like power stations , etc, that russia has stations, etc, that russia has been attacking in ukraine, which i think become legitimate targets for ukrainians to target them. They dont target and they wont target civilian targets. Wont target civilian targets. Theres no question about that. But i think ive talked to enough ukrainians when i was out there, and theyre fighting for their lives out there right now. Their lives out there right now. They are. But we need to help them in every way we can. So we think this is important. Well, its important in every way, whichever side you come at it from. Yeah. Im not terribly keen for us to get directly involved in. No, no, i dont think with russia. I worry it might do that. Ian duncan smith, as ever, a delight to have you on the program in a moment after the break, well just hold on to the break, well just hold on to the sides of your armchairs. I mean, can you believe it . Can you believe it . The home office have lost 21,000 illegal immigrants. Have lost 21,000 illegal immigrants. Ill calm down and come back to that in a couple of minutes. I asked you, why cant this government be straight with us about china . Ryan says because the Chinese State owns large parts of our National Infrastructure , including water, infrastructure, including water, electricity, railways and steel production. Our country has been production. Our country has been broken up into little pieces and sold to china. Yeah, i used to work on the London Metal Exchange in london, an institution that had been going for 125 years. And guess what . We sold it to china. Vince says the government is incapable of telling the truth about anything. Another viewer says we rely too much on china now and we cant even criticise them. And that is a point of view that if we did put sanctions on, of course it would hurt us very much as well. Weve become very dependent on chinese goods. And dependent on chinese goods. And finally, muriel says the tory government is pro china and has been for a long time, and i suspect , muriel, that you are suspect, muriel, that you are right. Okay. Here goes a freedom of information request put into the government, released today by the daily mail, reveals that 21,107 foreign nationals whove come into britain claimed Refugee Status and in almost all cases , been refused have, in the cases, been refused have, in the last five years, gone missing. Last five years, gone missing. Gone. Missing. Gone, gone. Where are they . Probably working on are they . Probably working on cannabis farms, drug dealing, some form of criminality. I mean, it is just truly astonishing. Well, one man who perhaps wont be surprised about this is doctor mike jones, executive director of migration watch and friend of the program are even you surprised by these numbers . No, not at all. And youve got to realise the 21,000 figure is actually quite conservative. Its eight months out of date, so that number goes back to september of last year. Yeah. So the real number is probably closer to 30,000, maybe even more. More. So youre saying that the rate at which people are absconding is going up of couise. Course. I mean, again, we know the home office has lost contact with around 5700 Asylum Seekers who are earmarked to be returned to rwanda. Theyre only in contact with around 38 of those earmarked to be deported. So again, this comes as no surprise. I mean, the root cause of the issue is this its very difficult to deport people. Asylum claims go through a merry go round of appeals. If you cant deport people , all cant deport people, all detention centres become full. If the detention centres become full Asylum Seekers then have to live amongst the general population and, you know theyre gone. Gone now, now theyre talking sort of moving on a bit from this but similar theme. Theyre talking now, now about those that are earmarked for rwanda being put into detention. Is that actually happening . That actually happening . Well, to some extent, yes , well, to some extent, yes, but theres very little capacity in the detention centres at the moment. So detention capacity can, you know, vary. 3000 i think is Something Like that. Yeah. I mean it is at its lowest, its below 2000. Its sort of around 3500 at the moment. But its very its going to be very difficult to get those people into the detention centres at speed and at scale. Well, weve been told that by july there will be planes taking off for rwanda, that the legislation says we can ignore. Articles two and three of the human rights act and the Prime Minister, not for the first time, but the Prime Minister actually appears to be quite bullish on this issue. Whats a migration watch . Well, only one person has returned to rwanda so far, and that was voluntary. And we gave him three grand. And we gave him three grand. And we gave him three grand. And yeah , he received a call and yeah, he received a call three grand for doing so. So the scheme is not yet operational. And yes, theyve disapplied elements of the human rights act through the safety of rwanda act itself, but they havent disapplied section four, which allows which essentially allows more appeals to the high courts. And of course, theres clause four in the safety of rwanda act, which allows individuals to appeal deportation based on individual circumstances. The idea of severe, irreversible harm. Now, you know, will the bar be set very high as rishi sunak hopes, or will it be set very high . And we are, of course, even if you just apply a bit, we are still signatories to an international treaty, the European Convention on human rights, which i would have thought british judges would rule in favour of. Well, because they havent disapplied section four of the human rights act, potentially one of the higher courts could declare whats called a rule of incompatibility. Now, if that did happen, im not saying it will, but if it did, the European Court of human rights would have a much stronger case against us because domestic courts have ruled against the government. I tell you what, hes not going to solve this problem now. Now moving on to another subject. But folks, i have to apologise to you. I do my absolute best on this program to make sure that when i give you facts and figures, i get them right and i hate being wrong, so i apologise. I told you last night that in 2023, a quarter of a Million People had come to this country and settled from the indian subcontinent. That the indian subcontinent. That number was wrong. The official figure from india is 253,000. But we need to add to that 55,000 from pakistan. So it wasnt quarter of a million. It wasnt quarter of a million. It was well over 300,000 worse than itold was well over 300,000 worse than i told you. And mike, this is interesting because we always talk about net migration figures. These are people whove moved from many thousands of miles away, settled in this country in the most astonishing numbers. And i was linking this to some of the scenes we were seeing in inner cities with muslim voters voting in pro gaza. Candidate rights. And how have we taken that number of people . I mean, theyre not all doctors and computer scientists, are they . No, not at all. Its an intentional government policy. This hasnt happened by accident. I mean, a few things happened. First of all, before we left the european union, we had a cap on non eu workers as the Johnson Administration removed that cap. The second removed that cap. The second thing that happened is that the conservative government outsource just the student visas policy to the Higher Education sector , and there was an sector, and there was an intentional recruitment drive from india and nigeria. And obviously because of cultural differences, differences in Family Structure and economics, they tend to bring more dependents with them than, say, Chinese Students and the conservatives did not ban or partially ban dependents from joining them. So the numbers have completely, utterly skyrocketed. Its incredible. Skyrocketed. Its incredible. Now, Legal Immigration into britain last year was the last big figures we had were over 700,000, lets call it. Lets call it three quarters of a million between friends. The next big sets of data are out on may the 23rd, or there or thereabouts. Were expecting a big drop from that massive figure, but still a big number. Yeah, were expecting still a big number, but there will be a drop, simply because, you know, Suella Braverman and this was continued by James Cleverly have partially banned dependence from joining postgraduate students. Why they were ever coming in the first place is beyond me, but sorry. Go on. Yeah. Theyve banned dependents from joining care workers. So this is low hanging fruit. So we should expect the numbers to drop. But again that number is still going to be too high. It wont be tens of thousands will it. No. Its get to tens of thousands. You need a cap with no cap. Theres no control. You no cap. Theres no control. You need a cap on on skilled visas. Need a cap on on skilled visas. You need a cap on student numbers. But of course, the governments arent partial to that idea. I suspect the last week of this month will be dominated by whatever those figures are. So well see you again very, very soon. In a moment, im going to go back to what cameron has said about our weapons going to ukraine being used to fire at the russian mainland. I wonder, is this man who himself, as Prime Minister, was a warmonger. He took us to war in libya, got rid of the leader, led to the birth of isis. Rid of the leader, led to the birth of isis. Is he taking us down . A very, very dangerous route. Well debate as is so often the case, i see stories that i think are fantastically good for us. Stories i think could be very bad for us. And i always marvel that they somehow arent on diary with the rest of the media. And whilst this story has been reported, i dont think theres been enough emphasis on it. Our revered foreign secretary, lord david cameron, said this yesterday we will give £3 billion every year for as long as is necessary. This is to ukraine. We vie really just emptied all we can in terms of giving equipment. So what hes saying is weve really got rid of everything. We have virtually no stocks of artillery shells or much other kit and ammunition. And then he says ukraine absolutely has the right to strike back at russia. So what strike back at russia. So what hes saying is hes very happy for british made missiles to go to ukraine and to be used to attack targets on russian soil. I thought the object of the exercise was for us to give defensive help to ukraine, not offensive help to ukraine. He has poked the russian bear with a stick and, perhaps unsurprising , hinckley, the unsurprising, hinckley, the Russian Foreign ministry has said. In response to ukrainian said. In response to ukrainian attacks on russian territory with british weapons , any with british weapons, any British Military facilities and equipment on the territory of ukraine and abroad will be targets. What is cameron up to . Targets. What is cameron up to . I think this is complete and utter madness. Im joined by james gazer , former nato james gazer, former nato spokesman and friend of this program. James, what do we know program. James, what do we know about russia . Is that if you do poke it with a stick, it will always respond. I was fascinated to see george robertson, the former secretary general of nato , the other day, very much taking my line that the expansion of european union, i believe nato two, has directly led to the ukraine war. What is our mission in ukraine . Are we there to help them defend themselves, or are we happy for this kit to be used to fire off at power stations or other military facilities, perhaps in russia . Whats the brief . Russia . Whats the brief . Well, nigel, very good to see you again, the way i see it, with all Great Respect to george , this is not a binary choice, as i see it, id much rather our storm shadows were strapped to the underside of a ukrainian fighterjet the underside of a ukrainian fighter jet than languishing the underside of a ukrainian fighterjet than languishing in a in a bunker somewhere in wiltshire, under the care of the raf. But fine. Thats your personal position and we differ on this. I think what we do differ on this, but isnt the point im making the fundamental one that we have been told, our taxpayers have been told, and american taxpayers too, have been told that were doing this to help ukraine defend itself. This turns defence into offence. Now, i refute that position entirely, if youll forgive me , entirely, if youll forgive me, i do. We love free speech here. No. We love free speech here. No. Ultimately , the point is that ultimately, the point is that arming, your your allies enemy is a form of defence. So first of all, it is defence of our selves because its a lot less expensive, a lot less costly in all sorts of metrics by comparison to the alternative. And and, and secondly, you know, the fact that we are supplying to ukraine, it is up to the ukrainians to decide how they wish to use what is what is by definition, therefore, a sovereign capability. Just because we manufactured these these armaments, this material doesnt give us a right to specify how it is used, which is pretty much no, no, no, no, he said no, no. The foreign secretary is delighted for it to be used in that way. He made it very clear in his statement, well, he actually said that it was up to the ukrainians to decide. They have been attacked and it is up to them to be defending themselves. Are we are we not in danger of getting ourselves a little bit closer to a potential conflict between us and russia . |, conflict between us and russia . I, i dont agree with this point of view. This is in fact, as of view. This is in fact, as lord cameron said, you know, a seminal moment in geopolitics, we must spend more on our defence. We do not. I agree with that. Absolutely. And i wonder why the pledge for 2. 5 is until 2030. Well, thats because the government are going to be in power for the next five minutes. So its really irrelevant how long they propose. Thats a fair point. Another seminal moment in geopolitics was camerons main niac decision, with the support of the french, with the americans kind of backing up, the french, with the americans kind of backing up , to take out kind of backing up, to take out gaddafi in libya, took out gaddafi. I didnt even exist. But it grew into that vacuum that was the moment the millions started crossing the mediterranean and causing all the political problems that were now seeing. I mean, is this man fit, given his track record, to be our foreign secretary . I think we can look forward to a change of government very shortly. I know i and this problem will go away. Well, yeah, but between now, the next six months, goodness knows what damage he might do. Knows what damage he might do. Well, i mean, lets, the situation in libya isnt the sole cause of migration, and its not the sole cause of migration to the uk. I tell you what, when gaddafi was still alive, he did say, take me out and 5 million will come to you. He did, but he was also a tyrant. That led to a great number of deaths in his own nafion number of deaths in his own nation state. Im not saying he was a good guy or anything like that. Im not even im not going to argue for a moment. Saddam hussein was a good guy. I just worry that weve been getting ourselves involved in a series of wars, that have ended up with very negative consequences and huge numbers of civilian deaths, especially in iraq. And i just wonder whether were having sort of the neocon hawk like cameron makes sense. And i just wonder whether were not whether that statement he made wasnt wholly unnecessary , that we have to unnecessary, that we have to understand the paranoia of russia , given its history. Russia, given its history. Well, id rather a neocon hawk than a neo tsar, to be perfectly frank, just about to do another few years after his Rubber Stamp Parliament lets him go forth and conquer, i, you know , the youve conflated know, the youve conflated a number of issues there. If youll forgive me , well, it is youll forgive me, well, it is important. Im talking about the breadth of our Foreign Policy , our use of our Foreign Policy, our use of our Foreign Policy, our use of the military over the last 20 years. And that cameron has been very much a part of all of that. And i just worry that hes the wrong man, i my personal view is that his actions in libya were half hearted and without , half hearted and without, without a plan for the future , without a plan for the future, which which is not the first time this nation has done such a thing in my lifetime. But quite apart from that, the situation in ukraine is, is it is quite literally a seminal moment for europe , back down now or, or europe, back down now or, or perhaps even you talked about trump a moment ago , perhaps even trump a moment ago, perhaps even see less support from the us or indeed a cessation of support. And we will see the shape of europe change. I tell you what, i suspect. If trump had been in the white house they wouldnt have invaded in the first place. And i do believe that very strongly, and trump wants a negotiated settlement. Yes. But a negotiated settlement means defeat for the ukrainians. Do you actually think do you actually do you really, honestly and truthfully think that crimea is going back to ukraine . I believe they have a right to bring back their own country. And i believe a negotiated settlement and the imposition of a piece. I mean, i served in bosnia and in position of peace thatis bosnia and in position of peace that is cracking at the seams. That is cracking at the seams. Ive served in iraq and in position of peace thats cracking at the seams. Ive served in afghanistan. I wouldnt go so far as saying the imposition of peace, but an imposition of peace, but an imposition of peace, but an imposition of something that has failed. Absolutely. Because of Donald Trumps decision carried out by biden. No, no no no no, thats absolute nonsense. Biden made that decision unilaterally without even telling us he was going to do it. Well, that might be the case because he was in power at that point in time, but it was a decision that had been already made. As i understand they were down to three. We could argue that forever. Indeed james, i think you and i think i agree with you on many things. I think on this i think the language that was used was irresponsible. Well, good to see you. Likewise, the what the farage moments of the day one i think is a very good thing. One, a very, very bad thing, quite extraordinary to see that yesterday at auschwitz there was a commemorative march and service. And this, of course , service. And this, of course, was to remember the horrors of what happened at that factory of death during world war two, but also to remember those, not just those that were killed on october the 7th, but of course, the 90 or so that are still being held hostage in shocking, shocking conditions. And shocking conditions. And pro Palestinian Protesters turn up outside auschwitz, putting out leaflets flying the palestinian flag. Frankly, folks, i think that is completely and utterly sick. Completely and utterly sick. Now, i have talked to you on this program a couple of times about the world health organisation. People have absolutely no faith in whatsoever with their annual budget of 7 billion every year. And who did their best to hide the true causes of covid. They have, as ive said this before to you, im going to say it again. Scheduled for the end of may, they have a conference at which they want us to sign up to a Global Pandemic treaty that would give them the right not only to tell to us lock down the next time they deem a pandemic, but also to take 20 of our stocks of any medicines or vaccines that we have to spread around the world. I mean, it is such a loss of National Sovereignty as to be untrue. So far, it would appear that the British Government is going to sign up to this. Interestingly last night, senator ron johnson, republican, managed to get all 49 republican senators to write to biden to say, do not sign this treaty. It would be a dreadful abrogation of sovereignty. This is due to happen at the end of may. That timetable may slip for a month or two, but be in no doubt of the ambitions of a who. Take a huge amount of power and remember, we cant vote for them to go in, and we cant vote to get rid of them either. And i really hope that the British Government wakes up to this, and im sure when this story gets a wider audience in this country, people will be very, very strongly opposed to it in a moment. Well, interesting isnt it . You know, serial it . You know, serial shoplifters, Video Evidence and still the metropolitan police wont turn up and yet, the first time theres been a successful private prosecution against the shoplifter, maybe if the police have given up, what were going to have its that tric awards time of the year. Yes, i am, of course, on that short list for long list, actually, to be news presenter of the year. We won it last year. So if you want to vote for me, you can go to gbnews. Com if not, you know you will find there a qr code that you can download. Now there are other gb news presenters in on this, but im not going to advertise them even though i you know, i do think camilla and others are doing a wonderful job, but there it is. Theres the qr code gb news. Com please vote for me now. It is astonishing that shoplifting, even serious serial shoplifting. And in this case, a man called david hanson, a 44 year old with a 105 previous convictions, including 33 burglaries. Why this man is even walking the streets, i dont know, but he goesin streets, i dont know, but he goes in to marks and spencers on streatham hill. Hes caught stealing on cctv. Its reported to the metropolitan police, who decide despite clear Video Evidence, not to prosecute. So it all comes down to tmi, which is run by david mckelvie. David just to begin with, tell us who tmi are and how do you get your funding . Funding . Term. I, nigel is a group of retired detectives, very experienced career detectives, weve been around since two thousand and seven, when i retired from the police in 2010, we began work and we are the biggest prosecutor, private prosecutor in the uk with over 1500 private prosecutions. We started originally doing prosecutions for fake goods , prosecutions for fake goods, which we still do, and about, five years ago we started prosecuting for retail crime as well. Pickpockets and shoplifters. But this is the first burglary prosecution weve, weve brought. No, i look, you know, as you say, Senior Police officers retired like yourself, doing a fantastic job, but it doesnt just happen. Do you raise charitable donations . As you charitable donations . As you know . You know who funds the organisation. Organisation. So, basically, at the end of a case, you are entitled to recover your costs of a case, you very rarely cover your costs, but you can recover some costs, but you can recover some costs towards the prosecution, and so we, we try and recover our costs where we can, but because we are the only private prosecutor , we incorporate the prosecutor, we incorporate the cost of the, the actual prosecutions within the hourly rate that we charge to the businesses that we operate within. Okay, okay, okay. Well, well done with a successful prosecution , and i successful prosecution, and i think its terrific what youre doing. And i have to say, i think its very necessary what youre doing, but can you explain to me how you got a guy here with 105 previous convictions and so known , very convictions and so known, very well known to the metropolitan police . Clear Video Evidence. Why dont they. Have they given up on shoplifting . Up on shoplifting . No. I mean, the thing with this, nigel, is this wasnt shoplifting. This was a burglary or two. Two of the offences were actual burglaries. He broke into the into marks and spencers in streatham overnight. When the streatham overnight. When the shop was closed, he broke a window in the shop and broke it, and so i mean effectively so, so actually then okay so actually this is far worse than shoplifting and still the met police dont act. Why . Why . Theres all sorts of reasons, nigel. I mean, when we first called them, obviously youre relying on the fact that there are, response, officers available to attend. They are run from pillar to post as youre, you know, aware, dealing with knife crime and other crimes, and so theyre not always what, like hate crimes . You mean hate crimes . You mean hate crimes . Yes. And obviously, once it gets reported as a crime , it gets reported as a crime, it goes into what i used to call the crime desk. I used to run when , when i was a dsd and dci when, when i was a dsd and dci and a Police Officer will then make a decision whether to screen the crime for in investigation or screen it out. In this case, they decided to screen it out, now, theres all sorts of reasons that could be, but the decision to screen it out was wrong, and, and my, my team , the detectives on the team, the detectives on the ground from tmi, had they knew who he was because we are there, you know, on a regular basis. We know all of the criminals, as soon as we saw the cctv, we recognised him. We immediately knew where he would be because of his haunts. We went, found him, arrested him. He admitted the offences on on, body worn video. And at that stage, we told the police we had the evidence. They chose not to prosecute. We chose to prosecute. We chose to prosecute. And we prosecuted him as a private prosecutor. As a private prosecutor. Well well done. You finally, david, advice , please let us say david, advice, please let us say one of our viewers tomorrow is in a supermarket and see somebody filling up a bag with joints of meat or whatever it is, and leaving the store without paying. Should they intervene , or is that has that intervene, or is that has that now become a dangerous thing to do , i would not intervene. No do, i would not intervene. No i mean, you know, too often we see, weapons being produced, and violence. And in this case, you know , the store manager tried to know, the store manager tried to intervene and was assaulted. So its our our teams are trained , its our our teams are trained, and, are experienced to deal with this type of thing. So its with this type of thing. So its not for the general public to get involved in, in rolling around the floor with a shoplifter and the public. Please dont turn up. Youre fighting with some of the 30, 40 minutes. Its exhausting. Im sure. David mckelvie that is good advice. Although im sure the instincts of many of our viewers would be. Theyd like to intervene anyway. Well done on that prosecution. Great piece of work, and thank you very much indeed. And Jacob Rees Mogg joins me. I mean, i rees mogg joins me. I mean, i just find it astonishing that, i mean , i, i didnt have the full mean, i, i didnt have the full details of this. I mean, id taken it to be shoplifting, but it was more serious than that. It was more serious than that. This is going on. This is actually what im going to be talking about, because weve had the local Election Results and people just feel that the state doesnt have a grip and isnt on the subjects side. And this is a classic example. All the evidence was there. The private prosecution was successful. And yet they went to the police and nothing was done on a serious burglary entry. And its astonishing. And its astonishing. And its astonishing. And what are the police doing . Well, ill tell you. The met police said it was working to establish what happened over the store burglary and was working with retailers to identify what matters to them, what matters to them, including the safety of shop based workers and shoplifting. I mean, this is this is the sort of junk you get. I know weve got to read out these statements, but why cant they put them in normal english and say , we bungled . Were very and say, we bungled . Were very sorry. We made a mistake. Someone has blundered. Someone has blundered. Actually, actually, if they said that, we might have some degree of respect for. Thats right, thats right. Whereas they put out this awful waffle that no normal person uses language like that. And its the dishonesty of spin. I its the dishonesty of spin. I mean, im afraid weve done a bit of this on saying that the Election Results are indicating a hung parliament. Well they were not. I had Trevor Kavanagh in last night who tried to be a bit upbeatin night who tried to be a bit upbeat in his sun column yesterday from a conservative perspective, but he did admit on air that it was Wishful Thinking, it was Wishful Thinking, it was Wishful Thinking and you dont want to do this. The bureaucracy does it, politicians do it. We just need to be saying things to the pubuc to be saying things to the public that we believe to be true. It doesnt mean were not sometimes wrong. Of course that happens, but that when you say them, were worried about what people are, what matters to people. No theyre not. If they were worried about that, they would have arrested this chap. Theyd have prosecuted him. It would all have gone ahead. Quite. And jacob rishi survives and rishi survives. Yes, weve got to do something. We cant just look at these results and say its mid term blues. They were really bad. If we just sit here, we are bad. If we just sit here, we are heading towards a an election defeat of some size. We need to be showing people that were on their side. We support our own voters. Maybe. Rishi ill pull it out of the bag. I mean, but yes, im not so sure thats enough from me. Its the mogg in a moment. Me. Its the mogg in a moment. But first, the weather with alex burkill. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boiler dollars. Sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. Heres your latest gb news, weather update brought to you by the met office. Whilst there will be a little bit of rain around and also some patches of mist and fog tonight, for many, theres going to be plenty of fine weather through the next few days because of a large area of High Pressure thats dominating the story across the uk. This means its going to stay largely settled through the end of today, and overnight does mean we will see a few patches of mist and fog, particularly towards the west, but also some cloud drifting in from the north sea further east as well. A dry night for most of us and temperatures not dropping a huge amount, many areas staying in high single figures or low double digits. So not a particularly chilly start to the day on wednesday. In fact, a fairly mild one and quite a bright one for some of us, though it wont be wall to wall blue skies. Not at all. There will be quite a bit of cloud at times, albeit it does look like a brighter, sunnier day than today. The greatest chance of seeing any rain will be towards the far north west here across parts of northwest scotland, perhaps northwest northern ireland, some outbreaks of rain are quite possible. Temperatures may be similar or a touch higher than today, but with a bit more sunshine around it should feel a little bit warmer. The High Pressure sticks with us as we go through the end of the week, and so were going to see more fine weather for much of the uk, although towards the far north northwest here there may be a little bit more rain at times. And elsewhere the odd shower cant be ruled out, but we should also see a good deal of sunshine, particularly as we head towards the weekend. Largely sunny skies on saturday, and by then temperatures likely to rise to the low to mid 20s. A brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg , on state of the Jacob Rees Mogg, on state of the nation. Tonight, for the First Time Since the conservatives dismal performance at the local elections last week, i will be giving my unadulterated views on our lack of vision. Is it time we stood for something . And that we stood for something . And that means conservative values. The communist peoples republic of china is the prime suspect behind a data breach at the ministry of defence, with thousands of personal details at risk. But surely this shows its time to recognise we have entered cold war two amidst the burgeoning sectarianism in british politics. The muslim vote group has issued a list of 18 demands to keir starmer. Is britain descending into theocratic politics . Plus we are long overdue for the commercial success that is sit down with sitwell. William sitwell emerges from the haze of the rail strikes and the incompetence of the overly subsidised rail bosses. State of the nation starts now. Ill also be joined by my most incisive and pretty Theatrical Panel this evening. Pr consultant and former labour aide stella santykiu, and the former conservative mp michael brown. As always, i want to hear from you. Its a crucial part of the programme. Email me. Mail. Margaret gbnews. Com. But now its what weve all been waiting for. The news bulletin with sam francis. Francis. Jacob, thank you very much. And good evening to you. Its just after 8 00 leading the news this evening, just after 8 00 leading the news this evening , the defence this evening, the defence secretary says state involvement in a cyber attack on the ministry of defence cant be ruled out. But he refused to confirm if china was the culprit. Beijing strongly denied it was behind the hack, calling the accusations completely fabricated. Up to 272,000 british personnel may have had their details compromised. And their details compromised. And speaking in the house of commons, grant shapps said it shows that the world is, he says, becoming a more dangerous place for reasons of national security. We cant release further details of the suspected cyber activity behind this incident. However, i can confirm to the house that we do have indications that this was the suspected work of a malign actor and we cannot rule out state