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Party of english patriotism. Is party of english patriotism. Is he right . Do you agree with that . And is it finally time for lights out when it comes to smart motorway, should we get rid of them all for good . Tell me. Well get stuck into all of that and more. But before we do, lets cross the line for tonights latest news headlines. Michelle, thanks very much. Michelle, thanks very much. And good evening from the gb newsroom. Its 6 01. Well, first lets bring you the latest developments in westminster. In the last few moments , mps have the last few moments, mps have voted to reject a Second Amendment to the rwanda bill, which would have included an exemption for afghan nationals and others who had supported british troops overseas and in the last half an hour, mps also voted to reject a separate amendment aimed at ensuring rwanda could not be treated as safe unless it was approved by an independent monitoring group. The bill will now head back to the house of lords, where some peers may attempt to insist on their amendments again. Well, this comes as rishi sunak insists the first flight to rwanda will leave in 10 to 12 weeks. Of course, keep you up to date with that story throughout the evening. Now to the us and prosecutors in new york are trying to convince a jury that Donald Trumps alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a former adult film star broke the law. The first criminal trial of a former us president is now underway, with mr trump calling on supporters to protest at courthouses all over the country. Justice merchan ruled this afternoon that jurors will be allowed to review a transcript of a tape from the access hollywood tv show, in which the former president was heard bragging about touching women. Mr trump denies any wrongdoing. Wrongdoing. The judge had no idea what was happening. And this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. It shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. And over here i did nothing wrong. Also, this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. So far, its not working because my poll numbers are higher than theyve ever been, because the public understands that its a witch hunt. An anti semitism campaigner who was threatened with arrest at a pro Palestine Rally has told gb news. The chief of the met police should resign. Gideon falter, who is the chief executive of the campaign against anti semitism , was against anti semitism, was described as openly jewish by officers and told his presence at a pro palestine demonstration was provocative. Mr falter says the home secretary should remove sir mark rowley from his post. The met Police Commissioner has failed to use his powers to curtail or ban these protests, and now weve got a situation where very regrettably, we are seeing, the, the, the, the met commissioner has failed completely and change has to come from the top. So what id really like the home secretary to be saying to the commissioner today is resign or youre fired. Huw edwards has resigned from his position at the bbc. The news presenter was the broadcasters highest paid star, but hes been off air since last july amid newspaper reports that hed paid someone for intimate images. His departure comes after what the bbc described as medical advice. A former medical advice. A former parliamentary researcher and another man have been charged with spying for china after an investigation by Counter Terrorism police. 29 Counter Terrorism police. 29 year old christopher cash and christopher berry, whos 32, have been charged under the official secrets act. Both have been bailed and will appear at Westminster Magistrates Court on friday. The metropolitan police say the allegations are very serious. A student whose serious. A student whose stepfather set up a hidden camera in her bedroom just after she turned 18, is calling for tougher sentences for voyeurism offences. 48 year old paul selwood was handed 22 months in prison after he filmed the teenager naked by setting up a camera in her teddy bears. 21 year old Katherine Simpson says no one believed her when she raised concerns about sexually suggestive behaviour. Shes now launched a government petition which calls for an increase in maximum sentences for sex offences. The number of people offences. The number of people dying due to alcohol related causesis dying due to alcohol related causes is at a record high. Misuse of alcohol increased rapidly at the start of the covid pandemic, according to the office for National Statistics experts say the new figures show a continuation of that trend, with deaths a third higher last year compared to 2019. Liver disease is the leading cause of death from alcohol, with rates much higher among men. Alcohol much higher among men. Alcohol change uk says its the result of years of inaction, and more must be done to tackle excessive drinking. Well, for the latest drinking. Well, for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or you can go to gb news common alerts now, though, its back to. Michelle. Its back to. Michelle. Thank you very much for that. Im Michelle Dewberry and im with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me. My panel well, half of them anyway, are joining me imminently. Half of them anyway, are joining me imminently. But pesky public me imminently. But pesky public transport has got him somewhat delayed. The conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean of course. Also, hes made it through. Hes a true pro as a former editor of labourlist. Peter edwards, good evening to you. You know the drill, dont you . Ifs you. You know the drill, dont you . Its not just about us to slash ms3. It is about you guys at home as well. Whats on your mind tonight . You can get in touch all the usual ways you can tweet me, you can email me. Or if youre all snazzy, you can get on the website gbnews. Com yoursay. Lots of you active on there right now. Helen says, come on tubes, can you give us something . Light hearted everything is so very doom and gloom on here today. Well, i dont know if this is light hearted helen, but it is a little bit random. Look at this picture which caught my eye once seen, youll never unsee it. Remember him, professor jonathan van tam, do you remember those guys from the covid day . Well, there you go. Thats him. Pictured as a nun. He was into fancy dress for his football team. Boston united. Are you into a bit of fancy dress , peter . Gosh, yeah, i think back to school. You dressed up for charity . I think we were. There might have been the ymca about 25 years ago. Which one was you . Which one was you . Oh, i cant remember it. Oh, i cant remember it. Can you imagine peter dressed as the ymca members . Tell me all the things i didnt want you to ask me about. Oh, why . Oh, i love fancy dress. Ive got a huge dress up box. I need no encouragement whatsoever to get fully involved in a spot of fancy dress. I can tell you now. Anyway, helen, im not sure whether or not that was the upbeat, light hearted news that you required or not, but i saw it and i could not let it go without reference, that is for sure. Anyway, apparently tonight is the night. Its becoming a little bit ridiculous now, isnt it . It has been for quite some time. Im of course speaking of the rwanda plan. Well, rishi sunak has been talking tough today, and to bring us up to speed, i can of course live to gb news political editor. Hes fresh from the london marathon, everybody, fantastic effort. Christopher i bet your legs and your feet are killing today, anyway , tell us about the rwanda anyway, tell us about the rwanda plan. Whats gone on today . Plan. Whats gone on today . Thats right. Michel. And good evening to you. Yeah. Im here in historic westminster hall, which has seen many, all sorts of dramas take place. I mean, charles the first was tried a few feet from where im standing. But the battle right now is over there. The house of commons versus house of lords. On these two changes to the safety of rwanda bill. They both have now been sent back to the lords in the past hour, the house of commons has voted by a majority of between 70 and 80 to return. These attempts to weaken to water down the safety of rwanda bill on areas like regular checks on safety of rwanda. Whether you can send afghan veterans back to rwanda if they arrive here illegally. If they arrive here illegally. Both those measures have gone back to the house of lords. They then voted 10 pm. Tonight on whether they want to accept those measures or will return them to the commons. The commons then votes at midnight. Right. Then votes at midnight. Right. And then its back to the lords at 2 am. And 4 am, and then 6 am. Back in the lords. So it can go on all through the night. And this is it has happened before in 2021 on some trade union legislation. This ping pong happened a happened in 2018 with brexit. But the last time it was this of this scale, you go back to 2005 when the house of commons and lords, they sat through the entire night when the house of commons was sitting at at 1 20 am. To 2 29 am, the lords 5 am. To 6 am. It can go on all night, and thats why theres time set aside tomorrow in the house of commons to carry on. It could even delay the Prime Ministers visit to, to poland and germany. If that happens. Poland and germany. If that happens. So poland and germany. If that happens. So theres a lot riding on it. Its quite a dramatic night here in parliament. But also, i mean, ive got to say, rishi sunak talking quite tough today. I did quite like it. Christopher, but many people will say, well, hold on a second, because rishi sunak could have pushed this all through much quicker. Hes been in part responsible for some of the kicking the can down the road, hasnt he . Road, hasnt he . Thats exactly right, michel. Thats exactly right, michel. When this first came out, this emergency, in his words , emergency, in his words, legislation called the safety of rwanda bill in response to a concerns by the European Court of human rights and supreme court, that the idea of an emergency legislation it can go through in a few days, that often happens with with terrorist legislation instead, nearly five months later, were still waiting for it to get passed. And there were opportunities. Yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary, made a very clear, and shes right, there were opportunities to pass this through the house of commons and parliament. A month ago, before easter, there was 2 or 3 days set aside. Many thought in the parliamentary calendar for this exact point, but it wasnt taken. Whips had banked on getting this through last thursday that came and went with, with lords Still Holding out the lib dem and labour peers are holding out the tories havent got a full majority in the in the lords, so it all hangs on crossbench as if they are brought round and recognise the primacy of the house of commons. But all this could have happened a while ago. Instead i think the pm has wasted time waiting for it to happen. He had. He had a chance, i think, to get ahead of this. It hasnt happened and now time is against him because hes saying the first flights take off, in 10 to 12 weeks time, that could be late july. He wants, he said late july. He wants, he said today in the press conference. A regular rhythm of flights taking off. He doesnt want you and me, michelle, discussing these flights at the top of your Programme Every night. He wants it to be the normal waft and wane of business every week. Hundreds of illegally arrived migrants are flown to rwanda for processing. He wants that to not processing. He wants that to not to be a story anymore, but few believe him. Suella braverman, the former home secretary. She thinks this wont happen. Only thinks this wont happen. Only a handful might take off. Nigel farage, our colleague gb news, he thinks zero will take all happen for me. I think theres a big battle coming with the European Court of human rights. The pm said today that we are ready. Plans are in place and a spotlight. The flights will take ofcom what may, he said. No Foreign Court will stop us getting flights off. That is him laying down the gauntlet to the european judges. Do not stop what im doing or therell be trouble, it does seem to be talking quite tough, doesnt it . Am i making that up . Am i dreaming, seeing things . Or do you think you notice a shift in his approach over these last couple of weeks . Couple of weeks . Yeah, i have, i think hes getting a bit tired and frustrated. I think maybe hes frustrated. I think maybe hes learning that parliament doesnt always do what what you want it to do. Even when youve got a notional majority of 60 or so, it still wont happen. It still wont happen for you unless it makes you make it happen. I think hes been found wanting in some of the of the kind of raw politics required to get things through, perhaps a bit more aggression a month ago. Just say, say sod it, let us get this through the house of house of lords and ill make our mps battle for it. That kind of, that frustration i think hes showing today in the press conference, and he showed last friday at another press conference when i asked him a similar question. I think hes finally understanding to get things done in politics, youve got to be quite punchy. And maybe thats starting now. Maybe thats starting now. Certainly good stuff. And christopher, i cant let you go without asking, why are you not wearing your medal . Its the rules. The day after the marathon, youre supposed to dine out on the glory. Dine out on the glory. Listen, i dont want to talk about it, michelle, but seeing as youre asking, my medal is here by mistake. In my pocket. Yeah, there we are. My. My fifth yeah, there we are. My. My fifth london marathon. Lift it up. So we can see it up, up. Look at that. See it up, up. Look at that. See it there . We can see it. Very solid. Was there a good. Its always. Its. Bring your medal. Yeah, it was good. It was medal. Yeah, it was good. It was tiring. Its bring your medal to work day. The day after the london marathon. Ive done five of them. I always say never again. Within a week, im again. Within a week, im missing the buzz and the discipline of training. But i discipline of training. But i want to thank gb news viewers. And we raised about £2,000 over the weekend when i was trying to trying to talk about what we were doing for scope, a really important disabled charity, and i ran it with my older two children, but we it was terrific support. They are the most wonderful people. Gb news news viewers. But you dont need me to tell you that, michelle, do you . Oh see, there you go. At the start of my program, one of my viewers, helen, she was saying, please, can we have a little bit of uplifting, positive news . Well, there you 90, positive news . Well, there you go, helen. Our man Christopher Hope with his bit of solidness there. Absolutely love it. Its congratulations to you and thanks for the rwanda update. Five times marathon runner. Congratulations, chris. I didnt know you had it in him. Well, five times ive done it three times. Well, ive done a marathon three times, anyway, congratulations to all of you. But youve got very sore legs today. But youre always an absolute fortune for good causes. So good on you, anyway, lets bring it back to rwanda. Rishi sunak says sorry, christopher. Theyre saying, you christopher. Theyre saying, you know, he imagines that rishi sunak doesnt want us to keep talking about these flights. I dont want to keep talking about these flights. I find it absolutely pathetic that all of this is still ongoing. Its been such a long time now. What do such a long time now. What do you think is going to happen tonight . Well, the bill will get passed. I mean, i think rishi sunakis passed. I mean, i think rishi sunak is quite happy to talk about it. I dont quite agree with chris because i think he ultimately perceives immigration and rows about it as a weakness for the labour party. So even the rwanda policy, which i think is immoral and is tied up in all their parliamentary procedure, that chris was just describing, i think rishi sunak is quite happy to talk about it. Whats moral about it . Why am i against it . Because i think ive been ive visited rwanda. I think were outsourcing our responsibilities for a function of the British State to a poorer country that is recovering from a genocide. I also think it wont work. And another labour wont work. And another labour commentator said its putting the politics before the policy. And i think thats quite a good summary. Yeah, but a lot of people, they will be very kind of proud of their country. They will think its a great country and they actually dont like people doing their country down in this way, like you just said. Oh, ive been there and doing it, or ive been there and doing it, or ive taken the trouble to visit and find out about it. Thats not doing it down to recognise its a less affluent country. But is it safe . I think there are People Better qualified than me to. Did you feel unsafe when you was there . I felt safe, but to be fair, i was on a escorted trip with other journalists and a charity, so i wasnt living the ordinary life because when youre a journalist, youre, is actually, with cafod, the aid charity. So youre youre not necessarily doing the everyday things that are around and would do in and you talk, but you talk about economic sukh, you know, how fruitful and how prosperous the economy is. But these people, if they are genuine refugees, theyre apparently not seeking Economic Prosperity. Vie theyre prosperity. Vie theyre apparently seeking safety. Apparently seeking safety. So are you talking about the motivations, why people try to get to britain in the first place and risk their lives crossing the channel . Well, i believe actually that most of these people are doing this for economic reasons. And i dont knock that. By the way, who wouldnt want Economic Prosperity . Who wouldnt want opportunities for themselves . But lets call that what it is. Thats not people desperately want safety and refuge, is it . Its people wanting a better life for themselves are used to a desperate. I think thats exactly right. Some are desperate and, why would someone risk their lives crossing the channel . We know many people have died. Sadly, crossing the channel i think this is the very definition of desperation. So economic factors may be part of it. But i think there are many others as well. And we know people are fleeing conflict. Do you honestly believe that . Because first and foremost, you dont have to fully cross the channel anyway. You get picked up halfway through or there or thereabouts. And secondly, if you are genuinely fleeing conflict, you would just want to be safe. So why would you then put yourself in further danger when youre actually very safe already in france . Well, ive never lived in a country at war, so it would be wrong for me to say no. Youve been to france, though, arent you . Youre safe in france. But im not talking about, were talking about when people are leaving parts of africa in the first place to. Yeah, but theyre safe now. Yeah, but theyre safe now. Theyre in calais. Theyre in france. I cant second guess why people do it, but. Yeah, but come on, lets be sincere, because this is. Im not asking you to second guess. I cant get inside their heads. But what . What i can do is have a, you know, a modicum of common sense. If you are fleeing persecution and torture and whatever. And im not denying that people are fleeing that your primary concern surely, is safety. So once youve reached safety, of which, of course, france is safe for you, then to continue and pick and choose and go continue and pick and choose and 9 continue and pick and choose and go , actually. Let me think. Go, actually. Let me think. I prefer that country over there in my mind. Youve gone past that line now of being someone thats fearing for your safety, because your safety is fine. Now youre in france and now youre looking at where are the best opportunities for me and i dont knock that because who wouldnt want that . But then youre not really desperate for your safety. Anyone crossing the channel because. Because it is dangerous. But thats a separate point about the rwanda policy, which which i dont think will work. And when i use this phrase about rishi sunak putting the politics before the policy, i dont believe for a single moment that when rishi sunak either entered the cabinet or became Prime Minister, he saw this as a priority. I dont see the legacy. I believe hes doing it because hes driven by a fear of the conservative party backbenchers. I just cant believe that in 2024, were still having this conversation about whether or not these people crossing the channel are actually fleeing desperately , seeking safety or desperately, seeking safety or whether or not they are, in fact , refugees, people that want, economic advancements. I would argue the latter. Im astonished. Actually that people still think the former. But there you go. What do you think to it all . Get in touch all the usual ways, and ill see you hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. Hes made it. Everyone. Hes made it. The conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean. Look at that. I apologise to you and your viewers. And i blame thameslink. Do you . I do nationalise everything. I do nationalise everything. No, its not what i meant. No, its not what i meant. Oh, well, there you go. Also alongside me , the former editor alongside me, the former editor of labourlist, Peter Edwards , of labourlist, Peter Edwards, and says, please, can anyone explain to me whats going to happen between there the next 10 to 12 weeks . This delay before the flights take off . Why cant any of that stuff thats going to happen, be happening beforehand, very quickly . Do you know the answer to that . Ive know the answer to that . Ive done rwanda to death. Now, i think until somethings lawful, you dont know that it is lawful. And theres, of course, still a possibility because its not law yet that Parliament May change its mind on this approach. The lords position might convince enough people to change their votes in the commons. That is exceptionally unlikely. But nevertheless, were it to happen , nevertheless, were it to happen, then the preparatory work youd donein then the preparatory work youd done in advance of it would not just have been in vain, but you might have moved people that you , as it turns out, in law, shouldnt have moved. Well, there you go bernard, youre, youre not mincing your words. He says this 10 to 12 weeks is another stalling tactic. Its all about pushing and biding time till the election. The man rishi sunak is a liability to our country. Well, there you go. Lets talk about the met police because they have been branded beyond appalling. You might have seen appalling. You might have seen this footage. Actually, this is an officer. This footage. Actually, this is an officer. He this footage. Actually, this is an officer. He threatened to an officer. He threatened to arrest a jewish man that was apparently trying to cross the road at a pro palestine march , road at a pro palestine march, which, they had to do. Two apologies. Of course. She you will have seen one of these when they said sorry for basically describing the guy as so called openly jewish, lets just have a little look, shall we . Because the chap involved on this, gideon, he was actually talking to gb news elianne today. Listen the met Police Commissioner has failed to use his powers to curtail or ban these protests. And now weve got a situation , and now weve got a situation, ian, where very regrettably , we ian, where very regrettably, we are seeing, the met commissioner has failed completely and change has failed completely and change has to come from the top. So what . Id really like the home secretary to be saying to the commissioner today is resign or youre fired. Youre fired. Blimey, resign or youre fired. Lets listen to what rishi sunak has had to say about the whole thing. The whole thing. I share the shock and the anger that many are feeling when they saw the clips over the weekend and you know what i would say about mark rowley and the police . They do have a difficult job. Of course. I appreciate that. But what appreciate that. But what happened was clearly wrong. And its right that theyve apologised for that. And yes, i do have confidence in him, but thats on the basis that he works to rebuild the confidence and trust of not just the Jewish Community but the wider public, particularly people in london, but more broadly. Where are you on all this, alex . I dont with the best will in the world see how the commissioner of the met can now regain that trust that the Prime Minister spoke about. And look, hes right to acknowledge mistakes happen and officers on the front line face very difficult circumstances. But i think its not just difficult. Its been made impossible by their leadership. And im afraid i reached the position that i think the commissioner of the metropolitan police should resign. Why . And so, first of all, week after week, our capital city has become a no go area for some british people. And i think that that is parts of the capital city have become a no go area for some people. And i think thats completely unacceptable. But when you see that clip that we saw earlier of gideon declare an interest, because i know him and ive met gideon falter and i have the highest respect for him. But when you see somebody being told youre quite openly jewish, im therefore going to detain you if you try to go down that street. You try to go down that street. Weve got things the wrong way around. The police are meant to deal with criminals, not to deal with their victims in that way. And its really quite a profound point for me, really. I think the policing has gone so wrong and is so clearly the responsibility of the leadership of the police, who have failed their rank and file. And i just dont see it Getting Better with this leadership. So i think it should go. I want to come back on you on that before i do. Peter, whats your thoughts, i think the Police Officer on the day got it wrong and then what did he get wrong, using this phrase openly jewish. I think we all agree. You know, you should be openly jewish, openly muslim , openly anything. Openly muslim, openly anything. You should be able to go about your business, but whats wrong with that phrase, then . Because it was it was, easily identifiable as being jewish because he was wearing a skull cap and carrying, i dont know, the technical terms for the mat or the bag that he was carrying, but you could determine that he was jewish. Isnt that a statement of fact . Well, its a statement of fact . Well, its a statement of fact that he was wearing whats known as a kippah or skullcap, but thats not a reason for gideon to be stopped or prevented from. No, but they apologised about that language , apologised about that language, and i kind of think they got the first apology wrong. This is why i say complex, and i should say ive not seen all the video, which is about 13 minutes. The met police corporately got the first apology wrong. Then they had to apologise to apology and did a second apology. But should the head of the met resign after all these mistakes, im not sure that would help. And i think alex touched on that, a wider problem covered several months, which was the some but not all of the pro palestine demonstrations are causing alarm and distress to the Jewish Community in london. We should all be worried about that. Ill show you why i think its such an issue. Somebody being openly jewish, as this officer described him accurately, that persons presence on the street can only be an issue if the marches are anti semitic. Its not going to be provocative if theyre not anti semitic to be jewish there, it becomes provocative. If the it becomes provocative. If the march going on is anti semitic, the police have danced on the head of a pin. Theyve tried it. Nine ways to say these marches arent anti semitic. Plainly, they are. The point isnt about they are. The point isnt about the individual officer getting this wrong. He did, and they recognised that when he said that , he revealed the recognised that when he said that, he revealed the bigger point, which is that the march is going on, are anti semitic and the police would rather not deal with it. The police would rather deal with the victims of anti semitism. Theyd rather anti semitism. Theyd rather take to task the brave individual who is there talking to them perfectly politely than the people going down the street , openly anti semitic. And the police know its anti semitic, and thats why that persons presence is regarded as provocative. So ive got to say, i think its appalling what happened. And i think it is completely wrong that anyone should be told, you cant be here, or you cant walk down that street or you cant cross that road. Its very un british or whatever. Its appalling. Its absolutely appalling. And its the absolute appalling. And its the absolute opposite of a free society. Ive opposite of a free society. Ive got to say, though, i do remember this organisation, they organised a march that was against anti semitism. So this was i think back in november , was i think back in november, and people will be perhaps familiar with the fact that theres a court case happening today. So i cant get into the details because its today, tomorrow. But this involved a guy that many people will know of, Tommy Robinson. And actually the organisation said to the police, we didnt want we dont want Tommy Robinson at our march because his presence, his presence could antagonise people. So i kind of think that thats quite odd that this group of organised their march has said that he this you, him, theyre you youre not allowed there because your presence could antagonise people here. But then when hes been told, your presence could now antagonise people there, then everybodys up in arms about it. I dont think anyones presence should antagonise anyone. I think its a free society, and people should be able to be in pubuc people should be able to be in public streets as long as theyre not obviously, you know, being violent or whatever, hurting other people. So i found the whole thing very , very the whole thing very, very peculiar. But i you suggesting that these protests should be stopped . Stopped . No. Im in extremist. Yes, but the first thing, you dont have to go all the way to that immediately. I dont think they should happen in the same way anymore. And the first thing you can do is to have them curtailed, either in their route where they take place, the amount of time theyre allowed to take, to take in conducting their protest and so forth. The police could have said , you from police could have said, you from now on, youre going to protest in this area of hyde park or wherever. Heres your designated area thats not going to stop up the street. That means people cant go about their business walking down a street in england and not be able to do so for fear of their own safety and being stopped by the police, supposedly for their own good, and told they cant go there. Thats not on in society. So i would explore the things you can do prior to outright ban. But in the end, if they if its ban or have it going on as it is at the moment, yes, im afraid id ban them. And the other point i would make about it is this they have made their point. They have well and truly made their point. We are an open, tolerant society. Theyve marched week after week after week. Theyve had their say. Yeah, but then they would argue, i mean, im not one of these protesters, but they would argue that they want what they would regard as genocide in the gaza strip to stop. They want the uk government to call for an immediate ceasefire, and they want the uk to stop , immediate ceasefire, and they want the uk to stop, in some way, shape or form, selling arms to israel and all the while, thats all still going on. Those protesters would very much argue that they havent made their point, or that their point hasnt been heard. Should i say so . We agree. Anyone of any faith, including jews, should be able to go wherever they like in london safely without being hassled by Police Officers, where perhaps our park company with alexs, the suggestion that theyre pro Palestine Protesters have made their point for the reasons you describe that , reasons you describe that, ordinary families, families in gaza are still dying every week. So its understandable that people all around the world will continue to feel distressed by that. Sure. But the trouble is, whats happening here and the reason that the police say that presence of a jewish person is so provocative is eliding between jewish people, british jews, whose government is the british government, Whose Parliament is the british parliament, and whats happening in israel. We even see senior commentators, former senior people at the guardian, like Michael White saying about british jews, their parliament or their government, british jews, their parliament or their government , meaning the or their government, meaning the israeli government, the israeli parliament. Completely wrong. Parliament. Completely wrong. The point is that when you see a british jew , you dont know british jew, you dont know whether that person is a zionist or not. You dont know whether that person is in favour of israels activity or not, because there are plenty of jews who thought the very creation of the state of israel was a mistake, let alone what is happening now under netanyahu being a mistake. It is pure play, anti semitism to have a go at someone because you can tell they are jewish, because you dont like whats happening in israel. The two are not connected in the way thats being implied. Indeed, as a zionist myself, youre much better off having a go at me as a. The point is, not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews, right . Im not jewish and im a zionist. Youre much better off having a go at me. Who outs himself as a zionist than you are having a go at someone whos jewish. That is pure play, anti semitism. And im not having a go at you. No, i know you werent. I know. No, no, i meant so i wont say you. I meant a person taking that view. Shouldnt one of the views. So i didnt mean to imply otherwise. One of my viewers, gary, he says, i oppose most of what Palestine Protesters stand for, he says. But in his mind, gideon knew exactly what he was doing by purposefully trying to antagonise the protesters. And as a result, the hapless copper has been made a scapegoat for trying to defuse a potentially dangerous situation. To suggest that the language he used was anti semitic or racist. He says is ridiculous. And mac says gideon falter did this on purpose to get attention for his cause and nothing else. He has the right to walk where he wants, but he put himself deliberately in harms way to prove a point. What did he do that was provocative . Did he have a sign . Did he shout at anything . Anyone did he shout at anything . Anyone did he shout at anything . Anyone did he bellow abuse . Did he even give a slogan to people . No. His so called provocation was simply walking down the street. And if walking down the street. And if weve got to the point where its provocative, so provocative that the police will stop you for walking down the street because of your faith, then weve got things wrong. And the police are pandering to the criminal and not to their and not looking after their victim. Yeah. And ive got to say, mac, you say, he youre saying to put himself directly in harms way to prove a point is just stupid. But then the guests, the point, the alex is trying to make here is you shouldnt be putting yourself in harms way just by wandering down the street. Let me know your thoughts with just one thing, because i want to be clear. This is not, in my view, about the rank and file. I think their leadership of put them in an absolutely impossible position. The whether theyre policemen on the beat on that day gets the words right or wrong. Hes supposed to say to somebody, its so unfair to judge that the individual officer on that. And i hope he doesnt get hung out to dry. Its his leadership that has put him in this position. Its not just impossible, its going to get worse. And if that policy isnt if their position isnt going to change, then youve got to change the leadership, mark says wed all be arrested if we behaved as badly as the police seem to. Rowley should go. Ive got to say, i do feel i say this all the time. I do feel quite bad for your everyday kind of coppen bad for your everyday kind of copper. The guy, the woman thats just trying to be a Police Officer to try and make the country much safer. Because it does feel like every single day youre getting an absolute kick in. And i know people get in touch with me and theyll tell me that their kids are Police Officers. They worry sick about their kids going out to work day in and day out, but yet all they seem to do is get abused by people in the media. What do you make of it all coming up after the break as well . I want to ask you, is labour the true party of english patriotism . According to keir starmer, it is. You agree . 7 hi . Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Alex dean and Peter Edwards remain alongside me, justine on the website says why isnt sadiq khan being called out when it comes to the wrong policing of these protests . Thats our point. Has come up by a couple of other viewers as well. So let me know your thoughts on that. But of course, its Saint Georges day tomorrow, one of the things that makes me chuckle a little bit at the moment is everyone seems to be desperate, to prove that they are the patriots, that we are the ones that we are engush we are the ones that we are english and british and yeah, today it was the turn of, sir keir starmer. Hes written a piece about how labour is the true party of english patriotism, and he gives quite a few examples as to why is it, well, good for starmer for saying so. Saying so. And whilst labour is not a party i support, i applaud , of party i support, i applaud, of course, any, party that wishes to say that it is patriotic. It comes at the same time i see as some, polling is out suggesting that 1 in 8 labour voters think the english flag is racist and divisive and should not be displayed, which is something i lament. But of course, i dont blame the Political Party for its voters necessarily. And of course, people lie to pollsters all the time , including the all the time, including the millions of people who are about to victoriously return another conservative government, obviously. So, you know, people mislead pollsters all the time. I dont blame starmer and co for their voters. Of course, there is a chance that hes trying to compensate for things like what Emily Thornberry said or was seen to have been saying about the english flag at one point in the english flag at one point in the past. Yeah, shes tweeted it, didnt she . Was it rochdale or something . Was it rochdale or something . She tweeted a picture of a white van outside, a house which had a lot of english flags on it. And she, she was mocking it. Anyway, the point i think here is actually bigger than rochester. Its bigger than individual political parties. Individual political parties. The point is that when this yean the point is that when this year, when this day rolls around , some pseudo clever public intellectuals always say, always have always mocked Saint Georges day , mock the idea of georges day, mock the idea of englishness. Ha ha. Didnt you know saint george isnt wasnt engush know saint george isnt wasnt english and so forth. As if thats any way novel or interesting or clever for them to say it and what they dont seem to realise, and in their thinking, is that if you succeed in your mockery of national, life in england, and if you succeed in undermining patriotic values, then you dont replace those values with nothing. They those values with nothing. They get replaced with something else, and you wind up with what we saw this week with the teacher who said, i asked my class, do you hate britain . And all 30 of them put their hand up to say yes, i want to come back to say yes, i want to come back to that actually, because i thought that was a really interesting article. But peter, our labour, the true party of the patriots as well, id like to be reasonable and actually say theres people who love their country in all parties , and they always have parties, and they always have been, i think the other point id make is you can smell a general election coming when you see the flag coming out a bit more. And i think, all parties are a little bit guilty of that of using the union jack as a political prop. But of course, theres this other point that Keir Starmers predecessor was Jeremy Corbyn, who i believe was patriotic but in a very different type of way. And there was a common perception among certain newspapers on the right that corbyn was kind of more in love with someone like venezuela than britain. I dont think that was the case, but you can see that everything keir starmer, remember he led a National Body in the crown prosecution service. Rachel reeves worked for the bank of england. Maybe it should be britain. But, you know, another National Organisation there clearly patriotic people. So crucially, i think its genuine and i think voters will perhaps sense that its genuine as well. But i always remember if labour were the party of the true patriots, i remember Gillian Duffy when she said to gordon brown, basically she was concerned about how her area was changing so much due to the pace of immigration, and he got in his car. Everyone will be familiar with this. He had his microphone still on when he was in his car, and he called her a bigoted woman. Thats not very patriotic to me. Its right that people raised concerns about immigration. I believe gordon brown misheard her and then apologised within hours, and that was a thing he didnt mishear, come on, you dont think that, do you . Surely thats what he said, but he apologised as well. Oh, well. Oh, well, thats all right then. Forgive me. I think if he said sorry, i take it more charitable, someone for apologising. I dont take that apology, but in any sense, because to me he absolutely meant that that woman was bigoted because she had the audacity vie to say what many peoples eyes can see and tell them that their local area is absolutely changed beyond any recognition due to uncontrolled immigration, and that is not being bigoted, its called being realistic. She look, i dont believe for a moment that gordon brown misheard that woman on the street, but he was in the course of losing an election. He was in the course of remarkably High Pressure environments. And people, when they think theyre in private, sometimes say things that they might regret where they erred publicly. And he had the singular bad luck of having that aired publicly. I dont hold it particularly against him. And i certainly dont hold what gordon brown said against keir starmer. So i, i welcome the fact that keir starmer says that he is proud of our country, and i think that we should embrace the fact that both government and opposition are patriotic parties. I do make the point that whilst i think youre right, i think Jeremy Corbyn is a patriot , actually, in right, i think Jeremy Corbyn is a patriot, actually, in many ways i think he would have been an appalling Prime Minister and keir starmer tried to make him Prime Minister. So i hold that against him, not the patriotism point. Well, there you go. Youve just mentioned an article, about a class of kids putting their hands up and saying that they hate britain. That is very concerning. Stuff will carry on the conversation about that. Did you see that article in the times yesterday . Okay, lets look at it in two. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with utils seven. The conservative candidate for finchley and golders green, alex dean, alongside me. As is the former editor of labourlist. Peter edwards. Peter edwards Peter Edwards. Peter edwards just told me its very random that ive just brought up that Gillian Duffy bigot comment, it was apparently it was years ago. So it doesnt matter now. Was it random . Does it matter to you . Do you remember that or not, eleanor says michelle, the jewish guy is not being provocative just by being jewish. If you think that he is. We have a massive problem with anti semitism in this country. And then you do have to ask, where on earth is it coming from . Of course, thats about those calls for the boss of met police to resign or be fired. Police to resign or be fired. Keep your thoughts coming in, Saint Georges day tomorrow. We were just talking about whether or not, labour is the true party of the english patriots. Thats what keir starmer has to say. And alex dean referenced an article that was in the times yesterday. And its quite concerning article. And youre right to bring it up. Its an anonymous letter from a teacher, actually, and he says that he asked his class of 13 year olds to raise their hands if they hated britain and 33 zero hands shot up immediately with absolute certainty. This is quite concerning. It is. Quite concerning. It is. And the flip side of it is that when people in public life take andrew rosindell, who campaigned to have our the union flag flown from public buildings when people in public life voice arguments that we should be overt and display our patriotism, we should sing the National Anthem at Public Events and so forth. They get laughed out of town. They get mocked. It was a start. You would always people in parliament would mock rosindell when he said that about flags, anyone who suggested that kids in school should learn, let alone sing, the National Anthem, get laughed at at your very Old Fashioned and so forth. When you destroy these kinds of values, they dont just you dont suddenly get a sort of charming, left liberal, normal life you. Those values get replaced by other things. They get replaced by by things. They get replaced by by hate, and they get replaced by allegiance to other organisations. I need to be clear as well. Theres a very important caveat to this, most of these pupils are muslim, he says. Its a large academy in the south of england , a few of his pupils, he england, a few of his pupils, he says, have lived in islamic countries, including saudi arabia. And precisely the kind of student who most needs to be taught about British Values to and learn to love them, he says. Most of the lads i teach, this is his direct quote. Most of the lads i teach think women have should have fewer rights than men. They spend our citizenship lessons arguing that wives should not work. One student said iraqs a bit rubbish now. He was talking about the loss of saddam hussein, and apparently its blamed that he then places on the british. Peter edwards, what do you make of this . Well, those comments are really concerning, but id be very wary of extrapolating a wider truth. Ive spent a huge amount of time in east london campaigning with british muslims in the labour party , who are in the labour party, who are proud to be british, and i never heard anything like this. So im, im wary of, perhaps implying that one article is more representative. Surely youre not suggesting that this teacher is lying, though, is he . No, i havent said that. No, i havent said that. Yeah. So this is obviously his experience in his school and 30 kids he talks about as well. He says that actually curriculums, to the extent pupils Pay Attention to them, can be a powerful tool to mould Society Children are being taught to hate our country. Nothing but national guilt, national guilt, national guilt. And the point i might make to you, peter, is both of those things can be true at once. The adults youve been campaigning alongside. There are plenty of british muslim councillors in the conservative party and members of parliament and in both parties. Of course , and both parties. Of course, and they are patriotic. But the generation below the generation at school are being taught nothing but hate. And if there is radicalisation, nothing but hate, thats quite an extreme statement. Nothing but hate about our country. Nothing. Nothing about our country is good. All that you need to learn about british history is about things that weve done wrong in the past. Thats what i meant. And youre right to pull me up on it. But the point i was making is that its the Younger Generation who are radicalised, not their not their parents, who often came here precisely because they wanted a more liberal democratic society, this teacher, he says, one of his teacher, he says, one of his teacher friends visited a school recently and had its head of history described the aim of their curriculum as being the creation of scholar activists. They said they wanted to turn pupils into radical agents of protest against the state that they say is institutionally racist. What do you get racist. What do you get concerned about . What kids are being taught in schools . Well, im wary of saying too much because i havent been in a secondary school for so long and again, what you read out, thats again, what you read out, thats a very overtly political statement by a teacher. So i dont think that is appropriate now. I hope theyre not saying those things in a classroom. And theyre, you know, theyre keeping those their pub or their family or everywhere else. But i do think its right, that children learn about the evils of British Empire , but that has of British Empire, but that has got to be done with proportion and balance and fairness. And balance and fairness. Do you think they do enough to teach about the positives of the British Empire . Im sorry, because you have to ask a teacher that ive not been a secondary School Classroom for 25 years, so i have no clue. Do you think we do enough . Do you think we do enough . I think that the i think that if youre thinking about whats emphasised and de emphasised, i bet you get a lot on the slave trade and very little to nothing on wilberforce and britain stopping the slave trade internationally at the cost of many british sailors. Of course, the lives of many british sailors. Will you be doing anything tomorrow to mark Saint Georges day, i think its my patriotic duty to support my local pub, which i will do. And if i can manage it and the timing is a bit awkward, but im going to try to go to church. Will you be doing anything, i dont normally, but i should also say, isnt it shakespeares birthday as well . It is. And death day. Same day. I think we should have, a bank holiday. Quite frankly. Would you be up for that . Do you think thats a good idea, Saint Georges day, get a bank holiday or not . Wed all love a day off work, wouldnt he . And then dont worry, you can move it from may day. You can move it from may day. You can move it from the meaningless left wing, may day. And you can have it on Saint Georges day instead. No politician elected politician is going to argue against the bank holiday. But then youll get city ceos who say its a, you know, whatever the losses to National Productivity of another day off, lets flood social media with, the great flags tomorrow and shirts some patriotism, says pauline. I might come dressed as one. I do like a bit of fancy dress. Ill see you tomorrow. Thanks guys. Dont go anywhere. Nigel farage up next night. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Looking ahead to tomorrow, its going to be a much drier and sunnier day for many of us, but there will be some rain, particularly across the southeast. Thats due to this weather front thats still making its way southwards. Much of the rain will tend to fade away throughout this evening, but there will be a real legacy of cloud left behind. So quite a murky evening for central areas of england, parts of wales , the of england, parts of wales, the south coast as well. We can see some drizzly rain for a time this evening. Theres also a risk of some fog developing across parts of northeastern england through tonight. Further north and west, though , it will north and west, though, it will be much drier and clearer tonight. Its going to be quite a cold start tomorrow, but frost will be fairly limited to just some scottish glens and perhaps the far southeast of england as well. So a chilly start to the day, but definitely a brighter start to the day for northern ireland, much of scotland, Northern England as well across many Western Areas of wales and southwest england, as well. It southwest england, as well. It should be a fairly dry and bright day, but sunshine will be a little bit more limited across the south coast, where therell be some drizzly rain on and off through the day across the south east, but it wont feel too bad in the sunshine if youre sheltered from that northerly wind. Its going to be a cold start on wednesday, though theres a greater risk of seeing a frost. Generally, though still in rural areas, weve got more of a north easterly wind developing on wednesday that will bring in a few showers across the east coast, but in the west its going to be another fairly dry, bright and warm feeling day in the sunshine. Looking ahead to the sunshine. Looking ahead to the rest of the week, while still some chilly nights to come and it looks like it will turn a little bit more unsettled from fri day. Friday. Looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. As the houses of commons and lords vote on rwanda, legislation , a big rwanda, legislation, a big speech by rishi sunak where he says no ifs , no buts. The planes says no ifs, no buts. The planes are going to rwanda. No foreign are going to rwanda. No Foreign Court will stop us. I wonder, has a summer general election just got a little bit closer . 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