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Novara media, aaron bastani. As always, i want to hear from you. Always, i want to hear from you. Its crucial the its a crucial part of the programme. Email me, mailmogg gbnews. Com. Now mailmogg gbnews. Com. But now its what youve all been waiting the day waiting for the news of the day with middlehurst. Jacob with polly middlehurst. Jacob thank you. And good evening to you. Well, the mp chris bin blunt, has been arrested on suspicion of rape and the possession of controlled substances. The controlled substances. The member for reigate identified himself on social media this afternoon as the man Surrey Police had detained in horley yesterday morning. And Surrey Police confirmed the man was released on conditional police bail pending further enquiries. Bail pending further enquiries. Mr blunt has been removed from the conservative party and asked to stay away from parliament. The former minister said hell cooperate fully with the Ongoing Investigation in and he says hes confident he wont be charged. Meanwhile, the uks charged. Meanwhile, the uks border force is in egypt today with the Prime Minister confirming officers are ready to help british nationals escape gaza when the border reopens as well. Cabinet ministers held an emergency cobra meeting this morning to address the escalating crisis in the middle east. The governments currently pushing for a pause in the fighting, rejecting calls for a full ceasefire to facilitate aid reached palestinians. And irans reached palestinians. And irans foreign minister has claimed hamas is ready to release hostages and the world should support the release of 6000 palestinian prisoners. That palestinian prisoners. That comes as arab nations released a joint statement condemning what theyre describing as the forced displacement and collective punishment of palestinians. Israel maintains it is only targeting the terrorist group hamas. Now in targeting the terrorist group hamas. Now in the united targeting the terrorist group hamas. Now in the United States targeting the terrorist group hamas. Now in the United States , hamas. Now in the United States, a manhunt continues tonight after 18 people were killed by a gunman and 13 more left injured. Gunman and 13 more left injured. Police in the state of maine have named 40 year old robert card as their person of interest , describing him as armed and dangerous. The us army has confirmed hes in the us army reserves. The shootings happened in two locations in the city of lewiston. Us President Joe Biden lewiston. Us President Joe Biden has respond , urging republican has respond, urging republican lawmakers to enact stronger gun controls. Us here at home. The controls. Us here at home. The Prime Minister has warned that Artificial Intelligence could threaten Human Extinction on the same scale as global pandemics or nuclear war. His comments came after touring more fields i hospital in london, which uses ai hospital in london, which uses al to diagnose sight problems. Al to diagnose sight problems. As rishi sunak said, humanity could lose control of ai and criminals, and terrorist groups could use it to spread fear and destruction. He also announced destruction. He also announced the formation of the worlds first Ai Safety Institute in the uk to explore the risks and share the data. Two medics have share the data. Two medics have been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage after a Just Stop Oil protest at Londons Natural History Museum in front of dozens of shocked tourists. Activists sprayed what they said was orange corn flour over a reproduction dinosaur skeleton. Reproduction dinosaur skeleton. They then displayed a banner which read , for healths sake, which read, for healths sake, Just Stop Oil the incident comes just one day after the group staged a similar stunt at londons grade one listed wellington arch, resulting in three arrests. Us gb news across the uk on tv in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. This is britains news channel. What are the police up to . Why are they ignoring calls for jihad and bullying people forjihad and bullying people who are praying silently . Listen to this clip of an islamist rally calling for jihad. Rally calling for jihad. The only solution is jihad by the armies of the muslim countries, not by you and me, who we are training who are here. There are people with arms in egypt , in here. There are people with arms in egypt, in pakistan , in saudi in egypt, in pakistan, in saudi arabia , in jordan , across the arabia, in jordan, across the muslim world. This was hosted by a known islamist group, hezbollah. Islamist group, hezbollah. Tahir, whose stated aim is to re establish the caliphate and the global enforcement of sharia. That is to say , islamic sharia. That is to say, islamic law. The police duly responded with this. The word jihad has with this. The word jihad has a number of meanings , but we know number of meanings, but we know the public will most commonly associate it with terrorism specialist officers have assessed video and have not assessed the video and have not identified any offences arising from the specific clip. We also from the specific clip. We also had people engaging in the genocidal chant from the river to the sea. Nine movie three for the river to the sea by movie three river to the sea by movie three river from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. While some have suggested this is an innocuous chant, this protestor was willing to say what we all know to be true for every year until all palestine is free from the river to the sea. That is what from the river to the sea means. It means there is no israel because there can be no peace while there is an israel , it means there is no israel, it means there is no israel, it means there is no israel. Israel. There can be no peace while there is an israel. We also had someone hounded for wearing an israeli flag. Israeli flag. And these pictures were in central london. This wasnt going on in some obscure part of the world where there are loads of police. But the polices response to these events has been feeble as they fail to use their powers to stop this glorification of terror. On this glorification of terror. On the other hand, it recently emerged that a birmingham, a woman, has issued with a woman, has been issued with a fixed penalty notice for the crime silently praying crime of silently praying near an clinic , protesting an abortion clinic, protesting no. No. Are you here to pray for the lives of unborn children . Its lives of unborn children . Its a little bit leading , but no, im little bit leading, but no, im not okay. Are you aware that youre breaching the Public Protection order . Im not, no. Will you move from here to icehouse, the exclusion zone . I dont believe i need to. Okay well, youre in the tesco. Youre breaching it. Im in the zone. Youre breaching it. Im in the zone. Yes, but im not zone. Yes, but im not protesting. Yes are you going to be given a fixed penalty notice today when islamists call for jihad wave islamist flags, the police equivocate about whether jihad is a call for holy war or aninner jihad is a call for holy war or an inner spiritual struggle. An inner spiritual struggle. When a Christian Lady prays silently , she she is harried. Silently, she she is harried. Arrest cited and fined as we were told by lord anson earlier in the week, the cases of glorifying terrorism and of making genocidal chants are potentially criminal offences. Potentially criminal offences. And in his view, the police have the powers they need to stop it and to make arrests. The cases of glorifying terrorism, of making genocidal chants, of chasing people through chasing jewish people through the streets, are criminal offences. Yet the West Midlands Police Arrest eight christians for thought crimes. That lady wasnt actually doing anything. As you could hear in the video, she wasnt protesting. She was silent. Its a thought crime and silent. Its a thought crime and the police think that just thinking should lead to be arrested. And how can this possibly be right . As Douglas Murray said, perhaps the lady in question should simply have started jihad and the started shouting jihad and the police left her police would have left her alone. Always , i want to hear alone. As always, i want to hear from you. Let me know your thoughts via email at gbnews. Com and im now joined by my panel, associate commentator for the telegraph, and the telegraph, sayed ahmed, and the founder novara media, aaron founder of novara media, aaron bastani. Aaron, there cant be bastani. Aaron, there cant be one rule for one and one rule for another, can there . The law should be applied equally , and should be applied equally, and as been pointed out, a lady as its been pointed out, a lady shouted jihad. Theyd probably left her alone. I think im really glad well, i think im really glad that youve talked about this, this evening, because i think youve examples youve got two glaring examples of very of people being treated very differently. Firstly, in regard differently. Firstly, in regard to hizb ut tahrir protest, to that hizb ut tahrir protest, i they were saying to that hizb ut tahrir protest, i clearly they were saying to that hizb ut tahrir protest, i clearly covered vere saying to that hizb ut tahrir protest, i clearly covered bye saying was clearly covered by legislation as the legislation such as the terrorism act 2006 or the Counter Terror act 2019. There is absolutely law that covers what they did. So i would want to say to your viewers, your listeners , if people are saying listeners, if people are saying the laws arent there to deal with, that, they are the police simply arent applying and simply arent applying them. And then in the case of the woman in then in the case of the woman in the , i mean, the West Midlands, i mean, youre with youre more familiar with this most i most recent case. As i understand have understand it, there have been previous arrests theyve previous arrests and theyve simply aftennards simply got a warning aftennards because this instrument that theyre using, this pspo , it theyre using, this pspo, it covers protests or public disturbance, but prayer doesnt fall under that category. Now, you said she was fined. I wasnt aware of the shed been issued with a fixed penalty, so she was given a fixed penalty notice. Well, surprised at that well, im surprised at that because having looked at that legislation, a lawyer. Legislation, im not a lawyer. It me you be it seems to me that you would be permitted pray. So permitted to silently pray. So id see how id be interested to see how that through the court that proceeds through the court of appeal. Of appeal. Seemed very and it just seemed very unfair that the police should be acting so inconsistently. Acting so inconsistently. And i mean, im a great believer in freedom of speech. I think the boundaries of freedom of should be pretty of speech should be pretty broad, not at promoting broad, but not at promoting terrorism. Thats surely beyond the bounds. Terrorism. Thats surely beyond the hizb ids. Terrorism. Thats surely beyond the hizb ut tahrir is banned in hizb ut tahrir is banned in many countries. Its a very many countries. Its a very questionable group. I dont know why we havent banned it here. Weve been late certain weve been late to ban certain groups. We still havent banned the iranian irgc. I think we were behind in banning hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood as well. This is becoming a trend, but mps rejected an amendment that would exclude silent prayer from them. I think it was the public order bill and its very important to say that silent prayer is not incitement. It is prayer is not incitement. It is not a communication between a person and a fellow person. Its a communication between a person and the holy and the sacred and the bureaucrat way it was dealt with by the police. There shows with by the police. There shows that you know, sometimes the police get carried away with bureaucracy to such an extent that they cannot understand real life circumstance cases. I i life circumstance cases. I i defend this lady. Im not a christian. Ive just returned last night from a pilgrimage in saudi arabia. If this is the precedent were going to set, where certain parts of the uk are excluded from, you know, where youre banned from privately expressing religious thoughts , then that opens us up thoughts, then that opens us up all religions to all forms of police, police discrimination. Police, police discrimination. And that should be something that i think should worry the left as well. And there is a question of what up to and what are the police up to and their because i go their leadership, because i go in the house of commons every day, lots policemen day, i see lots of policemen and policewomen and armed policemen as there individually excellent there individually excellent people. They are thoughtful, theyre considerate, theyre very helpful. Theyre very brave because they dont know whats to going happen. And yet their leadership is getting them to do these extraordinary things. So shop lifting seems to be fine. Call thing for terrorist acts seems to be fine and silent prayer isnt what sort of leadership is that . Who is making these decisions . Making these decisions . Well, i think perhaps weve always had these instances , but always had these instances, but of course, ubiquitous mobile phones with cameras, social media. Were simply more aware of it. On the shoplifting one, i do find this remarkable, jacob, because and im sure, again, for all your listeners and your viewers out there, theyve seen this with their own eyes. I was in the co op the other day just sending some letters. Were in the co op the other day just send office me letters. Were in the co op the other day just send office sortetters. Were in the co op the other day just send office sort of ers. Were in the co op the other day just send office sort of their were in the co op the other day just send office sort of their quasi ere post office sort of their quasi post office sort of their quasi post office. And somebody came in with several bags, just put everything on the shelf in the bag, left it. And i think this is happening very frequently. Is happening very frequently. And i worry for Small Businesses in particular, clearly large supermarkets are going to struggle these costs supermarkets are going to strugbut these costs supermarkets are going to strugbut this these costs supermarkets are going to strugbut this is these costs supermarkets are going to strugbut this is hugelyse costs too. But this is hugely important. Too. But this is hugely important. And frankly, too. But this is hugely important. And frankly, the important. And frankly, the quasi decriminalisation of shoplifting is really worrying. There are a category of people who shoplift, who are in big trouble and they need help. And trouble and they need help. And of course, we should do that. I dont think there should be a punitive approach for those people. Got people. But when youve got people. But when youve got people it 25, 30 times people doing it 20, 25, 30 times and theres a suspended sentence that strikes me as as incredibly light touch. And what i would say is to anybody who disagrees is imagine if you were a Small Business owner and every day somebody was coming in and pinching this a pinching £100 and this became a big issue for tony big political issue for tony blair that used very successfully. Wasnt it tough on crime . Tough the of crime, tough on the causes of crime, helped win the 1997 helped him to win the 1997 general election . Is this becoming an issue now . So i turn becoming an issue now . So i turn to you and is this going to help the labour party in the coming election . Well, it could do. I think people recognise there are finite Police Resources and so when you see so much attention being paid to monitoring social media, policing and thought, you know , all sorts, you know, know, all sorts, you know, Certain Community engagement programs with no real sort of outcome, no way, no way to measure , measure the outcome , measure, measure the outcome, then you have to question sort of what the Police Hierarchy are thinking. Will it help labour . Thinking. Will it help labour . I are labour opposed to Police Spending their time on social media . Im not sure what the position is. Well i think i think this is a really good point. I think now clearly horrible things happen on social media. Racist but it racist abuse or whatever, but it strikes that the spend strikes me that the police spend far time on a high far too much time on a high profile that ends up on profile thing that ends up on bbc online in, you know , is bbc online or in, you know, is trending on twitter, involve being football fans, rather than, like you say, assault, robbery , burglary. And i think robbery, burglary. And i think thats about, well, whats getting peoples attention that shouldnt rule shouldnt matter. The rule of law should matters is law should be what matters is its also about deterrence. Its also about deterrence. By the way, we do need stronger punishment. You know , i stronger punishment. You know, i mentioned ive just returned from a country where i wrongly i think i think they go way too far. Theres strong deterrence and you see less crime, you see less theft. It deterrence to less theft. It deterrence to a certain extent works. If you have longer sentences, if you build more prisons. Build more prisons. But however long the sentences are, if the police arent actually enforcing the law and arresting people who are shoplifting doesnt matter. Law and arresting people who are sh0|couldj doesnt matter. Law and arresting people who are sh0|could make oesnt matter. Law and arresting people who are sh0|could make oelife matter. Law and arresting people who are sh0|could make oelife m prison you could make it life in prison for shoplifting but can for shoplifting. But if you can walk out of with walk out of the car with bags full stuff nobody stops full of stuff and nobody stops you, doesnt matter. You, it really doesnt matter. And this the leadership and isnt this the leadership question there are question that there are excellent policemen and women all over the country who do a very hard job and do it very well. But the leadership is just so wet, wet and too often critical of their own officers. Critical of their own officers. Weve seen a lot of attention on kicking out officers rather than recruiting new ones, a lot of attention on some of it justified on sort of crooked , justified on sort of crooked, crooked cops. The people who have always been against cops who who called coppers, pigs feel vindicated. And why would feel vindicated. And why would someone join the police force or feel comfortable working and arresting people if their leadership is constantly talking about kicking some of them out andits about kicking some of them out and its just so weak . And its just so weak . Yeah, i think it is. I think generally actually, jacob, i think there is a deficit of leadership in this country and that its aimed that might seem like its aimed at a member at you because youre a member of government but at you because youre a member othink government but at you because youre a member othink goes government but at you because youre a member othink goes much� nment but at you because youre a member othink goes much further but i think it goes much further than frankly, i think than that. Frankly, i think theres a failure of leadership when it comes to local government, institutions , government, major institutions, and it just feels quite listless at the moment. So on the for instance, the point of shoplifting, other day there shoplifting, the other day there was interesting story of was this interesting story of the Police Service the metropolitan Police Service are at artificial are looking at Artificial Intelligence, which will be able to monitor peoples faces and id match and thatll be able to stop. Well you say if youre only going them only going to give them a suspended anyway, suspended sentence anyway, what does matter theres does it matter . Oh, theres a lot kind hot air lot of this kind of hot air about High Tech Solutions when what we really is the what we really need is the bottom is, okay, well, what bottom line is, okay, well, what crimes we to going really crimes are we to going really take seriously . Does take seriously . What does punishment look like . And how can create disincentives to can we create disincentives to not that both positive not do that both positive and negative . Negative . You much. Well, thank you very much. Obviously, dont forget to let me thoughts. And there me know your thoughts. And there was statement that weve had was a statement that weve had from the West Midlands police saying that that saying something or the other, i cant now immediately find it, but i better find the statement out from them anyway. They said a from them anyway. They said a woman has been given a written warning breaching public warning for breaching a public Space Protection order. Pspo in station road kings norton on the 18th of october due to ongoing reports made by local residents regarding behaviour. Regarding anti social behaviour. West in West Midlands police in partnership Birmingham Partnership with Birmingham City council, successfully council, have successfully obtained psp and the order obtained the psp and the order is well publicised. Failure to comply with the pspo is a criminal offence and further breaches will lead to a fixed penalty notice with a fine of up to £100 or prosecution via a court summons. Well, there we go court summons. Well, there we go. Most bureaucratic thought thought policing that you could possibly have. Its very frustrating in a free country coming up next, the britains britain hating Critical Race Theory has yet again crept its way into another funded way into another taxpayer funded institute. As i said earlier, the bbc. Plus, what would a Jacob Rees Mogg humanoid look like . Our friends in Artificial Intelligence have the answer intelligence may have the answer radio. Welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Robert says the uk, the situation in the uk, especially will especially in london, will only get worse police carry on get worse if the police carry on this , softly approach and this softly, softly approach and do law. And do not apply the law. And darren, why are police darren, why are the police finding silent protesters . It feels like the police are taking the low hanging fruit, hitting feels like the police are taking the numbers ing fruit, hitting feels like the police are taking the numbers by fruit, hitting feels like the police are taking the numbers by targetingting feels like the police are taking the numbers by targeting easy targets or even non targets. Targets or even non targets. Start doing some real police work again , please. And jill, work again, please. And jill, the law seems to be interpreted in different ways. According to in different ways. According to the its up to the police. However, its up to the police. However, its up to the set laws that the police. However, its up to the straightfonnard set laws that the police. However, its up to the straightfonnard with aws that the police. However, its up to the straightfonnard with no; that are straightfonnard with no confusion loopholes. Well, confusion or loopholes. Well, thats a fair point. Thats a very fair point. Senous thats a very fair point. Serious academics have comprehensively debunked Critical Race Theory, yet this does not stop the bbc promoting it. Its just emerged that last month the published month the bbc published an explanation of the controversial idea of White Privilege deriving from Critical Race Theory. Once from Critical Race Theory. Once defined by the business secretary Kemi Badenoch as an ideology that sees blackness as victimhood and whiteness as oppression. It included all sorts of ideological driven points, as the disparities points, such as the disparities can exclusively be explained by racism, or that readers ought to promise to listen and to amplify the of of colour. The voices of people of colour. It also cited expert in black it also cited an expert in black studies who has previously accused late Queen Elizabeth accused the late Queen Elizabeth ii being a symbol of white ii of being a symbol of White Supremacy and compared churchill to hitler. Well joining me now is one of the organisers of black lives matters protest in 2020. Imran aiden. Well, thank you very much for joining me. 2020. Imran aiden. Well, thank you very much forjoining me. Do you very much forjoining me. Do you think the bbc should be promoting this in an educational setting or should be more balanced out . I its a tricky line to i think its a tricky line to kind of follow , but i think kind of follow, but i think theyre doing a decent job in terms of impartiality and in terms of impartiality and in terms of impartiality and in terms of educating people. I think they highlighted an article for the article and its for the audience to decide as to what they audience to decide as to what the� and important. Its and thats important. Its putting the putting two sides of the argument, isnt it, its argument, isnt it, that its perfectly reasonable in education to say there education setting to say there are people who think this, are some people who think this, but youre doing an but if youre doing an educational program, you need to have the second part of the argument and explain why there are difficulties with this particular view. Particular view. Yes, i do agree. But i think when we think back to the term White Privilege, lets just be clear, just to add that context. It simply , that white it means, put simply, that white people not have to contend people do not have to contend with most with overt, covert and most importantly , institutionalised importantly, institutionalised racism in same way that racism in the same way that black people do. So think when black people do. So i think when we talk about White Privilege as much as be offensive , i much as it may be offensive, i know i think its about honesty and stating the obvious nothings offensive. Its always right to encourage freedom of speech. But the question here in the United States, weve got on White Privilege where this theory came from is how amazingly well american asians do and that they have been discriminated against. The Chinese Americans had a terrible time in the early 20th century. Japanese american were interned, and yet on all the statistics, they do better than white people in america. So how white people in america. So how have they managed to overcome this . This . I think you should probably speak to those from the Asian Community if you would like to address their issues and the way in theyve with said in which theyve dealt with said issues i issues. As for me personally, i can about racism as can talk about racism as a whole, right . And so if we talk about that we have about the fact that we have racism country, we use racism in this country, we use racism in this country, we use racism to basically transition to slavery and then slavery to colonialism and then colonialism to neo colonialism. So for us, to neo colonialism. So for us, in of black people, our in terms of black people, our history is very specific , right . History is very specific, right . We elizabeth the first, we had elizabeth the first, william the fourth over a 270 year period. Every monarchy or sorry monarch has basically advocated and supported the enslavement and colonisation of african people. So this is why african people. So this is why our history is very unique. Its very different. We cannot very different. And we cannot compare people. Its compare it to asian people. Its very specific. But thats not right that first of all, it was britain, the united kingdom. That was the first country in the to first country in the world to aboush first country in the world to abolish was abolish slavery. Nobody else was abolishing slavery. And that the slaves, the african slaves were being traded by africans long before the british were involved. Yes, 100. I am not going to negate any of those points, but what i will say is the fact that we are still dealing with races , we are still dealing with races, um, in this country. 400 years later, and that is the point that i think we should be still deaung that i think we should be still dealing with and, and trying to grapple with this point. But grapple with at this point. But doesnt necessarily doesnt doesnt this necessarily doesnt this the success of the this make the success of the Asian Community in the United States so startling . Asian community in the united sta ies so startling . Asian community in the united stai mean,artling . Asian community in the united stai mean, some| . Asian community in the united stai mean, some of Asian Community in the united sta i mean, some of the figures, i mean, some of the figures, Asian Americans make about the United States, United States . Okay but the United States has more of a problem than than we do. Think its an do. I think its more of an issue the states. Issue in the United States. I think overt racism more i think overt racism is more of issue, covert racism, of an issue, not covert racism, covert racism is subtle racism. And think thats more of issue. Okay. I mean, i, i actually issue. Oithisi mean, i, i actually issue. Oithis country i, i actually issue. Oithis country has actually issue. Oithis country has a tually issue. Oithis country has a veryy think this country has a very good, good but most of good, good record. But most of these theories come from the us and the us therefore relevant. Come from facts. They come from just facts. They come from just facts. Theory well, Critical Race Theory comes from specifically comes from the us specifically Critical Race Theory, the problem. But Asian Americans make up 6 of the population and gets 60 of the top scores in the sat test. The American Educational tests. Amazing figure on the tests. Amazing figure on the vietnamese population , asian in vietnamese population, asian in the United States , only one the United States, only one third proficient in english. And yet overall, they have higher incomes than us born households. This is an amazing success story. And dont you success story. And dont you think Kemi Badenoch points really important that taking on victimhood actually holds people back . People need to take the back . People need to take the careers that theyve got now , careers that theyve got now, the lives theyve got now, not look back on things that happened 400 years ago and say thats why is difficult. Thats why my life is difficult. So no, i agree with you to an extent. I think were talking about two kind of issues that have been amalgamated. Were been amalgamated. So were talking about personal Development Growth the development and growth for the individual and then were talking societal issues , talking about societal issues, right . Injustices in right . So social injustices in terms of a Community Aspect of things and in terms of a nation, these are separate things. These are two separate things. So victimhood, i so in terms of victimhood, i agree on on an individualistic perspective, its not ideal, right . We perspective, its not ideal, right . We should probably be far more positive of. But when we talk about the nation and social issues, we have to be leading with pragmatism and matter of fact. And it is a fact that black seven times black people are seven times more stopped and more likely to be stopped and searched, more searched, seven times more likely the hands of likely to die at the hands of police being restrained, police after being restrained, five have five times more likely to have force against the force used against them. The list think we need list goes on. So i think we need to dealing with personal to be dealing with personal development, is one thing. Development, which is one thing. And injustices which and then social injustices which is another. And in terms of your point about asian and etcetera , point about asian and etcetera, i actually agree with you. I i actually agree with you. I think what youre inferring is that is an issue with that there is an issue with culture and way which culture and the way in which people deal with things individualistically and within their. So their individual communities. So what to say is i what im going to say is i do believe a role believe that culture has a role to play. However, racism also has a role to play , but the has a role to play, but the culture in the uk very importantly, has always focussed on the individual. On the individual. And this is why you go no, no it hasnt, but it has. Thats why. Why. Jacob, i do apologise. Okay. Jacob, i do apologise. Okay. Jacob, i do apologise. Okay. Please, no, youre allowed to see. Yeah, thats see the passion. Yeah, thats right. Thank you. I just just. Just i just have to, just. Just dispute on that point because i do believe four kind do believe there are four kind of processes in terms of the human first human being. First individualism. Second community, third nation and our country. Fourth in the world. And what happens is with the conservative party, all due respect, we party, with all due respect, we try kind of forget about the try to kind of forget about the individualism in terms of personal development. We forget about community, which is in about the community, which is in terms necessary terms of what is necessary and what we for black what we need for black communities to thrive, we communities to thrive, what we need communities need for asian communities to thrive. We go straight to thrive. And we go straight to the is british. The nation, which is british. With that. No, i dont agree with that. Thats that. Thats thats i agree with that. With the you start with the individual. With the individual. You start with the basis of our we start with the basis of our we start with the basis as a conservative. We start with society being built by the individual to community, to the nation. And its why its so fundamentally important that the macclesfield judgement, which said there was no slavery, the mansfield judgement sorry, said slavery the said there was no slavery in the united concept of it united kingdom, no concept of it emphasises the fact that individuals have rights and they are free. And from that comes their opportunity to make their lives. And thats what we should be supporting as politicians. But rather than saying that people are in particular communities with grievances, i think that holds society back. I disagree. Think that holds society back. I i disagree. Think that holds society back. I thinkisagree. Think that holds society back. I think itigree. Think that holds society back. I think it ensures that we are not leading with empathy. Are not leading with empathy. And i think when i think about the conservative party, i always think of pragmatism, which is awesome. But i think think of pragmatism, which is awesome. But i think in think of pragmatism, which is awesome. But i think in order awesome. But i think in order for us to be the best individuals, the best community, the and the best individuals, the best community, the of and the best individuals, the best community, the of world and the best individuals, the best community, the of world thatd the best individuals, the best community, the of world thatd thwant, type of world that we want, we need pragmatism and emotion and emotion is centred around empathy understanding , empathy and understanding, adding the plight and the issues within in peoples lives, right . Individual. Roles and different issues. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. As well as the community issues. And so what im trying to explain jacob, is i to explain to you, jacob, is i agree to an extent. I agree with you to an extent. I believe that ill give an believe that ill give you an example. Make example. Im just going to make it i got my it really personal. I i got my nails today and this lovely it really personal. I i got my nails lady, iay and this lovely it really personal. I i got my nails lady, sheand this lovely it really personal. I i got my nails lady, she works s lovely it really personal. I i got my nails lady, she works seven ly chinese lady, she works seven days a week, seven days a week to ensure that do my to ensure that she can do my nails seven days week. Thats nails seven days a week. Thats a really important thing within chinese culture. They will work and they will ensure that they can do whatever they can to ensure that they have a decent life , they provide their life, they can provide for their family, so im not family, etcetera. So im not going to sit here and say culture is not an issue. Im in agreement with sir. Culture agreement with you, sir. Culture is issue. Is an issue. Jacob agreement, racism butjacob agreement, racism is an issue as well that weve expected. Thank you much for expected. Thank you so much for coming on and thank you. Im coming up next, the gun debate is alive and well. Well, im not sure thats right. Term in the United States after a tragic shooting that has seen at least 18 deaths in maine. Plus, least 18 deaths in maine. Plus, should we concerned about the should we be concerned about the rise of Artificial Intelligence. Radio. Welcome back. Our man, Jacob Rees Mogg. And youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Jane says the idea that our late majesty, Queen Elizabeth ii was a white supremacist is shocking. How can supremacist is shocking. How can the bbc be supporting an academic who thinks this . And bill and i agree with bill. Thank you very much. That was a very informative discussion. Eamonn made some fascinating points. I think culture is such an interesting concept. One of an interesting concept. One of the us constitute nations founding fathers. James madison, once said the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the best and most natural defence of a free country. Last night marked the country. Last night marked the 560th mass shooting in america. This year. 18 people are confirmed dead with another 50 injured. One of the three shooting locations in the city of lewiston , maine, was a local of lewiston, maine, was a local Bowling Alley with children present. The murder is believed to have been a us army reservist. James madisons idea was for the protectors to protect to repel danger and not to be the danger. Interestingly, the us danger. Interestingly, the us based its Second Amendment, the right to bear arms on britains 1689 bill of rights. Still, the law of the land, which maintains the bear arms for the the right to bear arms for the maintenance protestant maintenance of a protestant militia, perhaps as catholic, militia, perhaps as a catholic, something im slightly relieved is longer enforced as is no longer enforced as rigorously as once might have rigorously as it once might have been. Rigorously as it once might have been. But unlike us, our been. But unlike the us, our bill of rights is subject to amendment. Bill of rights is subject to amendment. As ordinary legislation passes. Whereas the legislation passes. Whereas the constitution of the United States is supreme and is states is the supreme law and is very hard to amend. Well, im now joined by the American Lawyer republican carol lawyer and republican carol kilgore. You very kilgore. Carol, thank you very much coming in. Would you much for coming in. Would you want the Second Amendment in a perfect world, i accept that we are where we are and that america has 120. 5 guns per 100 people. And weve got in england for comparison, 4. 6 per 100 people. So nearly 30 times the number of guns in america. But if you were back in the late 18th century, would you have wanted the Second Amendment to give this right to bear arms . Yes , jacob, i would. If you yes, jacob, i would. If you look at the history of the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms, its a fundamental principle of how america started as a country, in fact. And if there were no Second Amendment, l, there were no Second Amendment, i, i reckon the actual incidence of homicides and violent Mass Shootings would even be higher in cities such as chicago and new york, where you have very strict gun control laws. For instance, chicago, you have a ban on semi automatic weaponry that has the highest homicide rate in one of the highest in in the us. The us. But local laws probably dont have much effect , but local laws probably dont have much effect, do but local laws probably dont have much effect , do they . Have much effect, do they . Because if in the uk we have a law in bristol that is different from the law in london, you just go back and forth between london, theres no boundary between chicago and other parts of illinois. So people can buy the guns and take them in. So is that a fair comparison , do you think . I think in some ways it is. However you know, various different states in the us have enacted more strict regulations. As youre well aware , than as youre well aware, than others. But it hasnt deterred criminals from getting the guns and using them, taking them across state lines. And the across state lines. And the majority of criminals get the guns from organised gangs. So in fact for law abiding citizens to be able to purchase a concealed carry weapon , including carry weapon, including semi automatic and have that to be able to protect themselves is very, very important. But with 560 Mass Shootings is just in this year , doesnt is just in this year, doesnt that make you think that there needs to be some more control . No , it doesnt. I mean, if no, it doesnt. I mean, if you look at the studies, theres been study came out been a study that came out a couple of years ago that it studied all the Mass Shootings since 2006. And they have not shown that any of these increase that theres an average same same number of shootings per yean same number of shootings per year. And if you look at the safe act , year. And if you look at the safe act, which was an act in 2013, in new york, its the secure ammunition and firearms enforcement act that was enacted in ten years ago and the last ten years. Rates of Violent Crime have skyrocketed. And in crime have skyrocketed. And in new york city, in 2020 alone, there was a jump of 95 of homicidal shootings. So it has homicidal shootings. So it has not reduced Violent Crime by any means. But i know were starting from a lower base in the uk, but in the uk, where there is very strict gun control , we do have strict gun control, we do have a problem with knife crime , but problem with knife crime, but with knife crime you cant kill 18 people with gun crime. You can and people regularly do. Doesnt that just make the United States fundamentally more dangerous . I dont think that it does. I mean, the United States, its a different culture, just like any country has their own different background , different people background, different people have different ways of doing things. In fact, if you look things. And in fact, if you look in a lot of instances which arent reported by the corporate media, where there have been Mass Shootings was attempted in the event that a civilian was armed and was able to stop that person from doing more damage than they did. There are many, many instances is there are instances of there was one pregnant woman, and i believe it was florida was able to stop an armed intruder from murdering her entire family. She another her entire family. She another disabled man was either florida or texas , was able to stop or texas, was able to stop insurers from murdering him as well. And yes, i mean, if you look at what the media is not reporting, it will tell you to a much bigger story. But if you look at another large country with a large agricultural area where there are animals that need to be controlled and so on. Look at australia, gun crime in australia, gun crime in australia with very tight gun laws is very low , so there must laws is very low, so there must surely be some correlation with this enormous number of guns in america and the high murder rate. I dont think that you can compare the two countries. Its like comparing apples and oranges. I like comparing apples and oranges. I mean, in like comparing apples and oranges. I mean, in america like comparing apples and oranges. I mean, in america , like comparing apples and oranges. I mean, in america , the oranges. I mean, in america, the American Revolution was started because as the civilians had guns and they were able to overthrow the british oppressors , as you can also look at situations where people were able to defend their rights, defend their territory and in fact, being able to kill , carry fact, being able to kill, carry a weapon for a law abiding citizen , it actually prevents citizen, it actually prevents government tyranny. Government tyranny. But if you go back to the british bill of rights, 1689, it maintains the right to bear arms for the maintenance of a protestant militia. The only change wording is the removal change in wording is the removal of word protestant. For the of the word protestant. For the Second Amendment. The United States. Brought in 40 states. This was brought in 40 years after our own civil war, when the protestants had felt they had a need to defend themselves. But were 200 and whatever it is, nearly 250 years on from the American Revolution and the need for people to have arms to defend themselves against the state isnt the point. Its against the state isnt the point. Its that its being against the state isnt the point. Its that its being used point. Its that its being used by people to carry out mass slayings. Slayings. I think its both, actually. Its a combination that private citizens should have the right to be able to defend themselves. For instance, if biden established a militia and went after people in their homes , for after people in their homes, for instance, during the lockdowns and covid, if he decided to enforce this, then know i think every person should have the right to be able to defend themselves against a government militia. And so thats one piece militia. And so thats one piece of it. When was the last two government militia that you had to defend yourself against . Well, could well, there could be. , if you look at the i mean, if you look at the last few years, democracy the last few years, democracy in the us pretty robust. I last few years, democracy in the us pretty robust. I mean, i us is pretty robust. I mean, i personally dont trust the us government. I think they could be up to all kinds of nefarious purposes. And if you look at the lockdowns and if you look at the protests , the blm and antifa protests, the blm and antifa riots , they were actually trying riots, they were actually trying to defund the police. And if to defund the police. And if that did happen and armed criminals were able to be let loose, as in many cities in the us now, they are then in for a law abiding citizen to be able to protect themselves , their to protect themselves, their family and their property. I think they should have that right. But dont you have more confidence in the republicans that they can win elections and they can stop these mad policies . I dont know, jacob. Mean, i dont know, jacob. I mean, i huge confidence in i have huge confidence in democracy. They win, you democracy. If they can win, you know its not something know, i mean, its not something that you know, anyone can predict whos going to win the election, but its not a democrat. I mean, it is true that most people who are for private gun ownership happen to be republicans. Ions but private gun ownership happen to be republicans. Ions but i think its just if you if you look at the history of america and the culture here and americans for the most part, are very individual , freedom loving, they individual, freedom loving, they want to protect themselves and their family. Want to protect themselves and their family. Its just want to protect themselves and their family. Its just a cultural difference, i think. Well , im cultural difference, i think. Well, im all in favour of freedom. Thank much , carol. Thank you very much, carol. Coming up next, ill showing coming up next, ill be showing you humanoid you an ai generated humanoid rees mogg. Welcome back. I continue to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg. One identify as Jacob Rees Mogg. One day i might Say Something different and surprise you anyway, getting anyway, and youve been getting in your mail logs, in touch with your mail logs, graham says, remembering the dunblane massacre in scotland in 1996 enough. Anyone in 1996 should be enough. Anyone in the uk to never want a similar kind culture here . And kind of gun culture here . And hillary . Hillary i think your point is excellent because this is actually my view as well. Hillary says i never be hillary says i would never be pro the uk. However pro guns in the uk. However even pro guns in the uk. However ever. If i lived in the states i would certainly so would certainly be so as everyone has them over there, i think thats a really important point to make and a differential between our two nations and our two gun cultures. Earlier today, two gun cultures. Earlier today, the Prime Minister, rishi sunak, made a speech on how we have a Global Responsibility to understand and address the risks surrounding. I in order to realise all its benefits and opportunities for future generations. He also said to generations. He also said to endorse the industry and that the government would not rush to regulate. I thought it be regulate. I thought it be interesting to ask i what i would say in favour of and against i and heres in brief summary of what it came up with for Artificial Intelligence is a transformative force that like prometheus fire has the potential to elevate humanity. Its streamlines operations, improves health care, mitigates Environmental Issues and enhances education. We stand at the threshold of a new era. Thats pretty good. Im quite convinced against the question of control is of utmost importance as ai systems become more autonomous and powerful, they exert influence over they could exert influence over our lives ways we may not our lives in ways we may not fully grasp potential for fully grasp the potential for manipulate action, whether by malevolent actors or unintentional consequences, poses a threat our autonomy poses a threat to our autonomy and agency. While were at it, i also asked what i would look like as a humanoid and this was the result. Im sure that is ridiculous. Anyway, joining me now to discuss this is the head of strategy and governance, Andrea Miotti , as well as my Andrea Miotti, as well as my panel associate editor at the telegraph. And well come. To telegraph. And well come. To andrea first. Do you think the dangers are overstated . And dangers are overstated . And because people are saying it could start Chemical Warfare and all these terrible things and humanity could be destroyed or actually its a real opportunity and that like other technologies before it, it will be controllable. I think both are true. And i was very pleased to see this morning the Prime Minister stating alongside many other experts this year that i is an extinction risk to humanity. Akin to nuclear war or pandemics. I believe that these risks are real and i believe at the same time there is 99 of ai applications that are concrete, narrow focus on tasks like trading or cancer imaging that are completely harmless. But there is a. 1 part of the field of ai that focuses on making ais smarter than human fully autonomous. Taking action in the real world. And this is where the real danger comes from. Okay, but when the creation of ai also create the control of ai, isnt this like other things that weve done in the past that we will ultimately be able to make it work for us rather than against us . I definitely believe we will. I definitely believe we will. We can ultimately make it work for us. I am not sure we will at the current rate because my suspicion, perhaps my complacency see, is that when the railways came in, people thought theyd suffocate if they went at 20 miles an hour. Well, didnt. All well, they didnt. It was all fine. And whenever theres been fine. And whenever theres been a technology , people have a new technology, people have said, oh, this is all terrible. I my father telling me i remember my father telling me that when they were about to split atom , there were some split the atom, there were some scientists once scientists who said, well, once you one itll go on you split one atom, itll go on forever. Every be forever. And every atom will be split well all be split and well all be destroyed. Were not that destroyed. Well, were not that doesnt mean Nuclear Warfare is something you want to have. But nonetheless , it is controllable. Nonetheless, it is controllable. It has. How worried are you . Do it has. How worried are you . Do you lose sleep at night over this . Theres that scene in oppenheimer where someone says theres a small chance we may destroy the entire planet and start a chain reaction. And start a chain reaction. And despite that small chance, they took the risk. I despite that small chance, they took the risk. I think despite that small chance, they took the risk. I think the risks took the risk. I think the risks are being overblown. I think certain ai people have come to the end of their careers, have an interest in doom mongering and they like the media attention. I think the government has an opportunity to tax robots. Economy sceptical . Tax robots. Economy sceptical . Well, i think it would be very helpful now to focus attention on where ai works. Now the nhs waiting lists are in their millions. People cant see their gps. Why not start up gps. Why not start up polyclinics where you can quickly diagnose people . Some quickly diagnose people . Some people may be misdiagnosed, but theyre some people are misdiagnosed moment misdiagnosed at the moment by doctors. As i question the doctors. As i question the wisdom of the uk taking the lead in al safety , which seems in al safety, which seems bureaucratic rather than ai development, which is where the money is. Well, arent idly ai safety to the european because to the European Union because they down their they can close down their industry whilst steam ahead industry whilst we steam ahead and do something and and do Something Interesting and exciting . Exciting . Well, its interesting because already very, because britain already is very, very good and we shouldnt very good at al and we shouldnt really this as a race really look at this as a race necessarily between countries , necessarily between countries, but between cities and the but more between cities and the major sort of focus points of development. One is major sort of focus points of development. One is london. Theres four cities that are really at the vanguard of this stuff. So we have the industry. Stuff. So we have the industry. I mean, im very happy to poo poo some parts of the british economy, ai, doing economy, but on al, were doing very lots of very well, attracting lots of investment, talent such investment, lots of talent such as yourself. So thats good. As yourself. So thats good. I think the political read for this and maybe im being unfair here, jacob, is that rishi thinks hes got one year left and that theres the possibility of really landmark legislation, landmark regulation and potentially a job after politics, because of course, if youre the man whos generated the landmark, i regulation that the landmark, i regulation that the europeans might imitate, the americans might take seriously, maybe meta or alphabet or facebook or apple , rather, they facebook or apple, rather, they might be interested in your talents. Talents. And do you think that encourages business or it puts it do you actually it off, do you think actually you the business you want to allow the business to going first to its to get going first to find its feet, be flourishing and then feet, to be flourishing and then think regulation often think about regulation often rather doing it at an rather than doing it at an earlier stage . Earlier stage . I think at the moment a lot of development is progressing at extreme speed. Most for our benefit. I dont think acting now is premature at all. We already have systems that , as already have systems that, as you have demonstrated, that can do incredible feats. Gpt four do incredible feats. Gpt four was even tested to be able to convince an online worker to do its bidding to go. And to do its bidding to go. And to do tasks for it on the internet. So while at the same time we have many good opportunities from narrow ai systems , we do have narrow ai systems, we do have extremely powerful systems that even their own makers dont understand and dont control. And looking to this is the sci fi fear , isnt it, that you have fi fear, isnt it, that you have a machine that you cant ultimately unplug and it plugs itself back in and then it kills you. But is that realistic . Arent we clever enough to create the next machine along that controls the thats trying the machine thats trying to control us . We have failed to do so far we have failed to do so. Even best so. And even our best scientists, our best experts, even the companies themselves building these extremely powerful systems do not have a solution. But then if we regulate it, it wont work anyway because theyll clever. Theyll be so clever. Theyll overcome the regulation. So at last we will have market, which im have a free market, which im usually not usually advocating, but im not sure i want ai usually advocating, but im not sure i want al to take us over completely. Thank you again, sure i want al to take us over compleiand. Thank you again, sure i want al to take us over compleiand myank you again, sure i want al to take us over compleiand my panelu again, sure i want al to take us over compleiand my panel. Again, sure i want al to take us over compleiand my panel. Thats sure i want al to take us over compleiand my panel. Thats all andrew and my panel. Thats all from me. Up next is Patrick Christys patrick. What is on your bill of fare this evening . Well, a very good evening to you, jacob, and your wonderful panel panel. Fantastic show. Ive got loads were loads coming your way. Were going be talking about steve going to be talking about steve coogan. Called going to be talking about steve coogan. Who called going to be talking about steve coogan. Who likes called going to be talking about steve coogan. Who likes royaled anyone who likes the royal family idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl think idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl think is idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl think is a idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl think is a bit idiot, anyone who likes the royal familyl think is a bit rich. , which i think is a bit rich. Also quite bad for for business, steve because thats two thirds of the British Public apparently. Shamima begum. So there you go. Shamima begum after 74 of the British Public decided that they think that anyone extremist views anyone whos got extremist views should have should be deported if they have any of foreign heritage any kind of foreign heritage whatsoever. Were going to be asking she should asking whether she should come back. Day her appeal. Back. Final day of her appeal. Wasnt Kelvin Mackenzie wasnt it, Kelvin Mackenzie joins widdecombe joins me. Joins me on widdecombe joins me. Weve itll just be weve got loads itll just be fantastic. Youll have to tune in. Sounds extremely interesting. Im sure. Know who this im not sure. I know who this coogan but hes coogan fellow is, but hes clearly if hates clearly wrong if he hates the royal family but its always interesting learn things from interesting to learn things from your about obscure your programme about obscure comedians and shamima bagan. I have a view that is not held by all people on my side of politics. Anyway, thatll be very interesting to debate. Its very interesting to debate. Its coming up after the weather. Ill be back on monday at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This has been state the nation. The been state of the nation. The weather be weather in somerset will be glorious on sunday. Good evening. Its alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. It could be a bit foggy for some of us tonight, but there is further wet and blustery weather to come through the rest the week. Through the rest of the week. Low pressure sitting just the low pressure sitting just to the west the uk is bringing a west of the uk is bringing a showery blustery theme to many parts uk. However, its a parts of the uk. However, its a front across the north east thats already brought persisting rain for some here and continue to do so and will continue to do so across eastern parts of scotland overnight. Cloud towards eastern parts of england will lower, bnng parts of england will lower, bring some murkiness, some fog for some here and elsewhere. Clear spells allowing for some fog to develop, too. But fog patches to develop, too. But temperatures huge temperatures not dropping a huge amount overnight. Places temperatures not dropping a huge amount upzrnight. Places temperatures not dropping a huge amount up inight. Places temperatures not dropping a huge amount up in high places temperatures not dropping a huge amount up in high singlejlaces holding up in high single digits. So some fog, some mist around first thing on friday morning that will gradually clear, persistent rain continuing across eastern parts of scotland, likely to cause some issues. Othennise, some further issues. Othennise, its showers for many its a day of showers for many starting off around western and southern coastal parts, but spreading inland as we go into the afternoon and some of them could possibly even could be heavy, possibly even thundery. Around thundery. Temperatures around average for the time of year, highs around 15 celsius in highs of around 15 celsius in the south. Little cooler the south. A little bit cooler than staying than this further north, staying showery as we go through into saturday. And some of those showers could still heavy at showers could still be heavy at times, towards the times, most likely towards the south east where were likely to times, most likely towards the souisomest where were likely to times, most likely towards the soui some impacts were likely to times, most likely towards the souisome impacts from� likely to times, most likely towards the souisome impacts from those. To see some impacts from those. Also, rain across eastern also, more rain across eastern parts scotland. Totals really parts of scotland. Totals really continuing to build up as we go through weekend. Through the weekend. More unsettled weather then to come as through the weekend as we go through the weekend into of week , into the beginning of next week, but something bit but also something a little bit colder the by gb news. Good evening with gb news. Our top story, the mp Crispin Blunt has been arrested on suspicion of rape and the possession of controlled substances. The member for reigate identified himself on social media this afternoon as the surrey man police had detained in horley yesterday say. Well, Surrey Police have confirmed that a man was released on conditional police bail pending their further enquiries. Bail pending their further enquiries. Mr blunt has already been removed from the conservative party and asked to stay away from parliament. The former minister said he will cooperate fully with the Police Investigation and is confident he wont be charged. And in he wont be charged. And in International News today, the uks border force is currently in egypt with the Prime Minister confirming officers have pre positioned themselves to help british nationals escape gaza when the border reopens. Gaza when the border reopens. Cabinet ministers held an emergency cobra meeting this morning to address the escalating crisis in the middle east. The governments pushing for a pause in fighting east. The governments pushing for a pause infighting, for a pause in fighting, rejecting calls for a full ceasefire to facilitate aid reaching palestinians and that comes as leaders at an eu summit in brussels today agreed to call for humanitarian corridors to get urgently needed aid into gaza. Get urgently needed aid into gaza. And the un says the world gaza. And the un says the world is failing to meet the basic human rights of people in gaza. Human rights of people in gaza. Humanitarian chief Martin Griffiths is warning that aid isnt getting into the gaza strip quickly enough and that israels bombardment is getting worse. Un aid agencies have begun to reduce their operations in the area because they say theyve almost run