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Infection known as legionnaires disease. The rmt union has disease. The rmt union has announced fresh strikes for around 20,000 of its members rmt workers at 14 train operators will walk out on the 26th of august and the 2nd of september. For its part of the ongoing dispute over pay , jobs and dispute over pay, jobs and conditions, the union says its been left with little choice but to take further action, as its seen no improved or revised offer from the rail delivery group. The Health Secretary says group. The Health Secretary says the latest four day strike by Junior Doctors, which started today, serves only to harm patients. Protesters have been gathering outside downing street this afternoon for the fifth time. Theyve staged a walkout this year in their ongoing dispute over pay. The British Medical Association says its been left with no choice. According to the nhs, almost 835,000 appointments have been postponed. And since industrial postponed. 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And are watching and and you are watching and listening to gb news. Now before we get into bibby stockholm we get into the bibby stockholm because the big talking because its the big talking point isnt it . Or not, point again, isnt it . Or not, as may be, the premier as the case may be, the premier league are taking the knee again. Again. So tonight im asking you, has the time pass fast for taking the remember the big fuss about black lives matter , blm about black lives matter, blm political movements , sentiment. Political movements, sentiment. Okay, political movement. Maybe not so right. In any case, theyre doing it again this season. No one seems to know about it, but premier league kicking off and they are taking the knee. But get in touch with us at gb news or email us at gb views. Gbnews. Com. Views. Gbnews. Com. Views. Gb news. Com. Right. Views. Gbnews. Com. Right. So the hotels dont work. Ziff bases hotels dont work. Ziff bases and tents dont appear to work. Home secretary Suella Braverman wants them in tents. Remember, she has brought tents or marquees, marquees, we should call them. The backlog is call them. The backlog is undeniable all and will take time to work through. I think its 137,000 asylum applications. Were actually up to. So the big question is where do we put the people coming here in those boats across the channel now, joining me now is the doctor , susan phoenix. The doctor, susan phoenix. Susan, thank you very much for joining us this evening. Obviously, you are at the very heart of whats going on in portland at the moment. You are a very strong voice in this came in your campaign with no about. Can you tell me what you make of developments today where 30 the 39 migrants that we actually managed to get on the barge have now been removed because of the legionella problem . Legionella problem . Well, what can we say . I dont think anybody is really surprised, dawn. Its just been farcical from start to finish , farcical from start to finish, hasnt it . You could be forgiven to think youre in a faulty towers whomever , for towers episode for whomever, for the whole idea. Weve had bullying, weve had bullying , bullying, weve had bullying, weve had arrogance and the fact that people in positions of power havent been listening to the experts out in the field is no more surprising because its just this arrogance that we have from the top and the fact that they couldnt listen to the fire bngade they couldnt listen to the fire brigade first because they still think theres a risk there. And then they got tested for the water and seemingly theyve known since wednesday and legionella in their water supply. But they what were they doing . Someone saying, oh, i dont was back from his holidays. Its getting ridiculous isnt it . Getting ridiculous isnt it . And when was the first time you were aware that this was happening, that the migrants would be moved off the barge again . Again . Just this morning . And just this morning . And obviously the migrants themselves didnt even know. So, themselves didnt even know. So, again , its all the secrecy and again, its all the secrecy and treating people as though theyre idiots that is really being shown up by this whole case. So no, nobody knew until and im not sure that they themselves knew till this afternoon when they were taken away again. And whats the general feeling down there, susan . Feeling down there, susan . Obviously, you know, the people in your campaign group, you know, speaking sort of like know, are speaking sort of like very about the very passionately about the problems that has caused , problems that it has caused, certainly with facilities down in weymouth and portland. But whats the general feeling in the area about the developments today . Today . Well, they just think its typical of the fact there is no duty of care here. And that has been applied to local population to its just a case of lets get this rushed through. Lets cover everything up. I keep talking about it being like people in cupboards. It cant be right. And why can we not less dont understand. And those people understand. And those people coming off the boats who we do feel looking at them are mostly so economic minded. I mean , ive so economic minded. I mean, ive met refugees and im sure you have. Met refugees and im sure you have. And if theyre all have. And if theyre all refugees, then well, so why are we not just assessing immediately and weve got nice raf bases with a beautiful air force that can fly them wherever as long as there isnt a war zone. And most of them are not from war zones, lets put it like that. Now and integrate everyone else who wants and wants to be here for the right reasons. So do you. Do you do you think that one of the other suggestions weve had recently is the is the marquees as a temporary measure, how temporary would be let to know is a viable solution rather than the barge . Solution rather than the barge . I think so. I think it makes sense because it can be put anywhere nearby where people are coming into the country. I dont understand why were doing this, settling people in and then suddenly saying, well, well assess you cant assess you now or you cant stay. Showing a child stay. Its like showing a child a shiny toy, isnt it . And then youre not getting it anyway because youre going to go. Because youre going to go. There isnt any common sense. Dawn, why is there no common sense . Why is nobody taking responsibility saying , responsibility and saying, actually, screwed up . Maybe actually, i screwed up . Maybe that good decision that wasnt such a good decision we that cabinet we made and that last Cabinet Meeting , there is a lot of that. Meeting, there is a lot of that. And no one in your area has been consulted. Have they . Do you that any migrants you think that that any migrants will ever go back onto that barge . Susan it depends how proud this bunch are that trying to get their money out of it. And lets not forget the bafis and lets not forget the basis of all this. Its money and power and peoples egos. So somebody set this up ages ago, as you say, without consulting action. I think if they were sensible and im not sure anyone is on this case, they would say , look, its not working. Were just patching up and patching up. Lets not put them back on. Lets these people now. Lets assess these people now. And they actually owe it to these people. Drag them of these people. Drag them out of somewhere in here. Somewhere and put them in here. They to come. Most somewhere and put them in here. Ththem. To come. Most somewhere and put them in here. Ththem. They to come. Most somewhere and put them in here. Ththem. They had come. Most somewhere and put them in here. Ththem. They had c i think thats the problem , i think thats the problem, isnt it . Frustrations are running high and that causes to emotions to boil over on both sides. I mean, on the other side, you have had sort of like people implying that, you know, the that your campaign is in some way racist where all youre doing is talking about i its talking about the pressure on the local community. I mean, how do you feel about that, susan . Well, i refuse to use that word now apart from to say we are realistic , ive met such are realistic, ive met such naivety from people and we many of us have Multicultural Families and friends. So its nothing to do with racism , for goodness sake. That racism, for goodness sake. That is naive. I racism, for goodness sake. That is naive. I think we have racism, for goodness sake. That is naive. I think we have to. We is naive. I think we have to. We were all working together initially until somebody decided they have to start saying, oh, no, were calling it virtue, signalling. And really , nobody signalling. And really, nobody wants to bar there. Its just that some people want to give them flowers and brown paper bags and other people just want to guys get on with to help the guys get on with their lives elsewhere. Yeah. Did you feel about that, how did you feel about that, by the way . That small by the way . That that small Group Handing group of people handing out flowers and whatever was in flowers and whatever it was in the bags, maps of the the paper bags, maps of the local i think maps local area, i think hiking maps and that, wasnt it . And things like that, wasnt it . How about how did you feel about that . Thought were rather i thought they were rather patronising. Saying that patronising. Im saying that quite because quite straightforward because these , most of them, these these men, most of them, as far as i can see, are speaking english and theyre giving them these very, very well written letters from the government, assuming they can read at top level english. I dont know whos whos interpreting them for them. And i if they had a brown i think if they had a brown paper having in very paper bag, having been in very smart around the country smart hotels around the country with a few pens and papers and flowers as well , i can with a few pens and papers and flowers as well, i can imagine giving them to any of the gentlemen i know, never mind the people on the boat. Must admit i did think it i must admit i did think it was slightly patronising looking at there. Obviously there are no families boat. Are families on that boat. They are mainly aware, you mainly, as were aware, you know, working age young men. Do you where theyve you know where theyve been moved theyve been you know where theyve been moved into theyve been you know where theyve been moved into local theyve been you know where theyve been moved into local hotelsle been you know where theyve been moved into local hotels as een you know where theyve been moved into local hotels as well. Would know . Who would know . Who would know . And anyway, if we were told its probably lies because most of things been for of the things we have been for told or 3 months have told the last 2 or 3 months have been so i no idea. Been lies. So i have no idea. But please let someone have some common these guys common sense and get these guys processed. Theyre not commodities. I hate way commodities. I hate the way theyre being treated actually, because commodities because theyre not commodities and our local and neither are our local community. This lack of duty of care, theres no social conscience. The fact that our conscience. The fact that our port doesnt want to speak to our local people, the people that are making all the money we have, the reeves and langhams families who are in their families who are there in their nice tonight , where we nice houses tonight, where we still people worrying still have people here worrying and wondering what is going to happen and the happen to our community and the people on the barge. So somebody makes some decision soon. And lets get some common sense on the job. Yeah, absolutely. And i think yeah, absolutely. And i think the other issue here, susan , is, the other issue here, susan, is, you know, where you are in portland and obviously on the raf army base is that the tents may or may not be erected on the local community is are not happy about it, but they do tend to be targeted thing. The communities that arent so well off areas where people dont feel confident to maybe have a voice. I mean, for instance, we dont see it moored, you know, in the thames bray in berkshire, where people like gary lineker live. Do we . Exactly. Well we were called low resistance because they did assume that we all just would roll over and i have to say, our local councils did roll over much to our disgust. Theyd rolled over a long while before they told us about, and we would have helped and we could have worked with the councils the people in Areas Councils as the people in areas have managed the councils and the people power have worked together there. But are going together there. But we are going together there. But we are going to more with the other to work more with the other groups. The scampton people, whether field people that we have met at and we see that theyre being bullied in the same way slightly differently. Our big problem is people say, well , why not your our big problem is people say, well, why not your area . We have one road on and one road off. But even so , putting thousands but even so, putting thousands of immigrants into an area more than local population. I mean , than local population. I mean, who thought of that ridiculous. Who thought of that ridiculous. No one. Sensible, obviously. So thats interesting. You are working with other groups around the country who are now going through situation that through the same situation that you unden through the same situation that you under, often with no you were under, often with no consultation from the local council and certainly not from government. Government. Exactly. Exactly. Slowly and surely were getting together because slowly and surely the people are saying, hey , what is happening saying, hey, what is happening in country . So the power of in our country . So the power of the people is working. Were having a protest meeting on having a big protest meeting on sunday. Always have peaceful, sunday. We always have peaceful, quiet meetings and were having one at our port gates on sunday and several people are coming down from other groups to join us. If ever we can us. And then if ever we can afford time and money, afford the time and the money, we join them on we will go and join them on their and we might not their protests. And we might not sit on rishi sunak roof, but it will get to the stage where we need to do something. Absolutely. Susan, just one final quick question for you. I was reading some was just doing reading some of the how people are the background on how people are living in this country and certainly people, the certainly how some people, the poor boy who died living poor little boy who died living in accommodation because in Council Accommodation because the conditions so bad , do the conditions were so bad, do you the impression because you get the impression because you get the impression because you know, the health care in portland is difficult, getting a dentist difficult . Do you get the impression that the migrants on that boat have been actually treated than the local treated better than the local population recently . Yeah, population recently . Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that is whats causing the social division because i think whats the word, there will be no impact on your communities. Its a rhetoric. Communities. Its a rhetoric. Its a mantra by the police, the National Health people and whoever else not the fire brigade, because they know there will be an impact and we dont. It takes two months to see a doctor, but these guys are having a private Doctors Service and we know the service. Weve met the people all very good professionals, and they will be there 24 hours a day, 9 to 5. And then on call where someone today told me theyve got an ent specialist booked for january. January. No wonder. January. No wonder. No wonder emotions and anger is running high. Thats dr. Susan phoenix. Susan, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. Very interesting to hear your thoughts. Susan is a campaigner for say no to the barge down in portland. And as i said, its a portland. And as i said, its a very emotions are running very high. There are no migrants currently on the boat. And as you just heard from susan, will any them actually ever go any of them actually ever go back on their. You are watching and listening to gb news. Still to come with my expert panel, what has echr European Court what has the echr European Court of human rights is just in case ever done for us . And should footballers still be taking the knee . I footballers still be taking the knee . I mean, come on, we went through it all last year, didnt me . And with Junior Doctors on strike, we look at some of the me . And with Junior Doctors on strikeande look at some of the me . And with Junior Doctors on strikeand moneyt some of the me . And with Junior Doctors on strikeand money spent; of the me . And with Junior Doctors on strikeand money spent on the time and money spent on inclusive language and if youre a woman, youre going to love this it more alienating this bit. Is it more alienating than inclusivity . The only people arent being people that arent being included are women. Arent they really . On really . But more to come on that. Out next. After what really . 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West and scotland, which could be heavy at times. Which could be heavy at times. Temperatures little temperatures generally a little lower than recent nights. So a little more comfortable for sleeping. Still 14 or 15 for sleeping. But still 14 or 15 for many to start out saturday morning. Best the sunshine first thing across eastern parts of england , northeast scotland. England, northeast scotland. But these of rain slowly push these bands of rain slowly push their eastward through the their way eastward through the day as the area of low pressure pushes the atlantic. Pushes in from the atlantic. Some of this rain be some of this rain could be heavy, perhaps thundery times heavy, perhaps thundery at times across england , but across Northern England, but there be some sunny spells across Northern England, but th radio. Welcome back. Joining me in welcome back. Joining me in the studio now is Jenni Trent Hughes, a behavioural observationalist. Yes, observationalist. Yes, marvellous. And Connor Tomlinson who is a commentator and writer. Yep. Thats impressive that i understand. Yeah. No, that sounds well welcome to you both on a on a friday night is friday night isnt it. Gosh. And everyone out there watching and listening to us right now, following on from that first discussion on i want to look at the conservatives pledge to look at leaving the European Court of human rights now , jenny, obviously, actually, now, jenny, obviously, actually, first im gonna ask you about the debate we have just literally had about the bibby stockholm , migrants stockholm, the migrants now being off the barge being moved off the barge because of the health risk. What do you make about whats happened today . First all, happened today . First of all, i think that a lot of the whole question of migrants and what we do with them is a huge distraction. So its like how the Big Conversation today is about, you know, the 100,000 people coming across on the boat. Well what about the 4 million . You know , about the 4 million . You know, and so i think that were focusing on a small part of the issue , which, yes, is an issue , issue, which, yes, is an issue, but that were not paying attention to the fact that thats a small part of a very large problem. Large problem. When you say the 4 million, what are you referring to exactly . The four. 4 Million People that have come through, you know , there were all the cases are backed up. The cases arent being processed. Every other being processed. Every other country in the world, people come in and out. Theyre processed. You move its processed. You move on. And its actually the backlog thats costing us the amount of money that were spending. We do seem remarkably slow in this country, 18 months to process an asylum claim here compared i think, nine compared to, i think, nine months france. Months in france. Funny because i was but its funny because i was i listening man i was listening to a man yesterday used to be in yesterday who used to be in charge things and he charge of such things and he says its very simple. Its very simple procedure to know if someones lying. Are they really from the country . Theyre from. All of that. And that the whole from the country . Theyre from. All of shouldrnd that the whole from the country . Theyre from. All of should legally, the whole thing should legally, legitimately be able to be accomplished in 20 minutes or half an hour. What are we doing wrong . Yeah , its a good point, yeah, its a good point, actually, conor. I mean , that is actually, conor. I mean, that is the ultimate is to actually speed the process up, get things moving and make sure its a fair process for everybody involved, for the migrants and for the people who are paying the hotel bills at the moment. But what did make about what happened did you make about what happened with the bibby stockholm today . This exposes i think that this exposes the conservatives are not particularly interested in solving problem because they solving the problem because they keep solutions only to keep providing solutions only to the illegal migration issue as well. So we know rwandas not going work because at best going to work because at best its an exchange at its an Exchange Scheme at worst, never anyone worst, they never get anyone off the of human worst, they never get anyone off the lawyers. Of human worst, they never get anyone off the lawyers. With of human worst, they never get anyone off the lawyers. With this,iman rights lawyers. With this, theyve now got a Carnival Cruise people who cruise ship full of people who are better treatment. Are Getting Better treatment. A lot of Homeless Veterans and lot of our Homeless Veterans and now complaining theyre now theyre complaining theyre afraid there afraid of water or there might be bug be some airborne bug and waterborne bug, rather, so they cant them on. So cant even let them on. So theyre hampered in theyre constantly hampered in being actually being effective of actually deaung being effective of actually dealing whose dealing with people whose information know information they dont know and largely fleeing war and largely arent fleeing war and persecution. Shouldnt fall persecution. So shouldnt fall under way, you do agree under in a way, you do agree with that were skirting with jenny that were skirting around issues around the real issues of actually problem. Actually tackling the problem. Weve come up with i mean, weve come up with jenny. Weve weve had weve had rwanda, the ascension rwanda, weve had the ascension island. Weve had tents in in on raaf bases. Weve had, you know, raaf bases. Weve had, you know, the floating , the floating barge the floating, the floating barge. But were not doing the right things, are we . I mean, were not were not. Well, for me, theres two different issues because sometimes i think that were not being honest about and there are the people who are fleeing persecution and all those awful things. And thats a very legitimate problem. But then you have a lot of people complaining that most of those people arent really fleeing anything. Theyre really fleeing anything. Theyre really economic migrants. And so really economic migrants. And so we need to honestly deal with the fact that, lets say that a lot of people are economic migrants, then we need to deal with that. We need. And that with that. We need. And that doesnt necessarily need to be a punishment because we need a lot of those people. Of those people. No, we dont. We really dont. The majority of them are economically unproductive and the has to pay to put the taxpayer has to pay to put them up hotels that otherwise them up in hotels that otherwise they have to go they would have to work to go and on holiday. And the and stay in on holiday. And the other problem is a giant other problem is this is a giant distraction because year distraction because every year legal has been legal migration has been increasing on record. By 2046, were actually going to need 15 to 18 new cities the size of birmingham to accommodate these people. If we keep up current numbers. And so the new conservative, were the conservative, these were the people tried to say, people that have tried to say, okay, the echr, people that have tried to say, okay, reduce the echr, people that have tried to say, okay, reduce migration echr, people that have tried to say, okay, reduce migration numbers maybe reduce migration numbers by about 400,000. And lee anderson this week who got in some water about the boats some hot water about the boats and saying turn them back slightly salty language. Was it wasnt i think it was it wasnt family friendly, but he actually endorsed new conservatives endorsed the new conservatives plan, wasnt allowed to plan, but he wasnt allowed to show to the debut this show up to the debut of this plan to reduce migration because the tory party turned around and said, we disagree with and said, we disagree with them and we currently have we think that we currently have the right number of migration. From downing so straight from downing streets it is. Streets mouth, it is. Were just complain about just going to complain about small boats. Meanwhile, despite the British Public being concerned about the amount of money migration, the money spent on migration, the amount in every amount of people coming in every yean amount of people coming in every year, think thats fine. Year, no, we think thats fine. So the small boats issue, its a giant and theyre so the small boats issue, its a giaractually and theyre so the small boats issue, its a giaractually to and theyre so the small boats issue, its a giaractually to going theyre so the small boats issue, its a giaractually to going dealre so the small boats issue, its a giaractually to going deal with so the small boats issue, its a gi because y to going deal with so the small boats issue, its a gi because y to goi happyil with it because theyre happy with current legal current levels of legal migration. What you migration. So jenny, what do you i mean , obviously, know, i mean, obviously, you know, the long Term Solution is, as you suggest, sort out the asylum suggest, to sort out the asylum application system. But thats not going to happen overnight. So what do we do with the people that are £100,000, £100,000, 100,000 since 2018, which is the size of rochdale, basically , what do we rochdale, basically, what do we do with those people now . I mean, is it hotels, is it tents . Is it the bibby stockholm . Is it the bibby stockholm . I actually dont know. I i actually dont know. I mean, im going to be honest with you. Im not now i dont agree with connor that we dont need any more migration. I think that thats ridiculous. You that thats ridiculous. You know, the nhs , look at know, look at the nhs, look at care homes, look at chickens. Look. I mean, look at all the different industries. Fruit pickers , all the different pickers, all the Different Things that we need that we are suffering because and ive suffering from. Because and ive lived here 30 years, so im going count myself as a, you going to count myself as a, you know, as a proper citizen. A lot know, as a proper citizen. A lot of people who live here and are from here dont want to do these jobs. You know, thats thats a you know, a good point. We have lots of jobs, vacancies. Are lazy. We just want to do the job. Thats not true. One doesnt necessarily theyre lazy, thats not true. One doesnt nec Education System cant our Education System cant cope. We havent got enough housing. Long housing. All the long Term Solutions but solutions we know to these, but currently we cant have any more people. Were full up. People. Were full up. I think like most things in life, its not okay. So its like the concept of work and you say , you know, we all work too say, you know, we all work too hard. Its too many hours. No hard. Its too many hours. No you dont need to work less time. You need to work smarter. And i think that most of our systems, the way that theyre run, is the problem. And so the nhs quite often isnt suffered thing because, you know , all the thing because, you know, all the all the immigrants are going and you know, are going to the surgery and taking up our spaces. Its because in a lot of instances and the people on the ground in the nhs, we are not worthy in their presence. I worthy in their presence. I spent six months in saint marys in paddington, nhs is flawless. The people who run the nhs , the people who run the nhs, theyre the problem. And i think that a lot of institutions in a lot of institutions in the country need to be completely revamped and run on 21st century system, not an eighth, 17th century system. This is the problem with the nhs. But as soon as you even start to raise the issue, you dont want to far off the want to go too far off the subject here. The bibby stockholm but as soon stockholm negotiate, but as soon as issue it as you raise the issue about it needing reorganisation , the needing reorganisation, the people running people at the top running it arent it that well. Arent running it that well. Then youre accused of trying to privatise via the back privatise the nhs via the back doon privatise the nhs via the back door. What would you say to that . Thats tom moore that dog and pony distraction thing, because the the matter is that the fact of the matter is that businesses need be changed as businesses need to be changed as time goes by. Its like , say, time goes by. Its like, say, the situation with the royal mail while the royal mail in mail while the royal mail is in so trouble because they so much trouble because they completely ignored the advent of emails, technology et cetera. And now theyre in trouble because they didnt adapt. As time went by. And we need to adapt almost everything. We need to adapt the nhs. We need to adapt almost everything going to go along with technology and were not doing that. Certainly the Civil Service is in charge of sorting out the migration system. I would suggest thats a good place to start with. I think 60 of them still pretty much working from home, a problem. But home, which is a problem. But you know, going back to the bibby stockholm and migrants, i mean, debate with mean, i had a debate with someone other day who someone on the other day who said these people someone on the other day who because we dont know they might because we dont know they might be doctors and dentists and the people we need. What do you make people we need. What do you make to comment on on to that sort of comment on on the that are throwing the boats that are throwing their the bottom their passports into the bottom of the ocean . Them never the majority of them never leaving unless leaving the hotels unless theyre to disappear into theyre going to disappear into theyre going to disappear into the market economy the black market economy or be deliveroo. No, i dont deliveroo cyclists. No, i dont think doctors, lawyers and engineers are coming over on the boats. Theyre profoundly , boats. Theyre profoundly, frankly, and frankly, unproductive and i dont think that safe and legal routes, which seems to be the argument that rishi sunak and keir starmer have agreed upon to let of people come in let more of these people come in is solution. I think , is the right solution. I think, frankly, if you break into the country dispense your country and dispense with your documentation, be documentation, you shouldnt be sent just sent to rwanda. You should just be to france be sent straight back to france because safe country and because its a safe country and we should punish for we should punish france for letting them slip through the net. It. Net. Actually, thats it. Thats. How would you punish france . We already give them sort like several million sort of like several million pounds. Saying stop pounds. Yeah, im saying stop telling them. Giving money. Stop giving them money. Thats they thats it. And why are they allowed to fish in our waters if they allow people to keep they just allow people to keep coming an interesting so this is an interesting point. Mean, quickly, point. I mean, just quickly, i think out of time. Think were running out of time. Unfortunately but the push back system that greece used where if migrants get into the greek waters, greek navy push them waters, the greek navy push them back into turkish waters to stop them, actually making landing on greece and therefore , its not greece and therefore, its not their problem that seems to be working quite well in greece. What do you reckon to that . Give it a try because i also dont believe that, you know , dont believe that, you know, that they cant get get more information on about the people who are running these boats that whole illegal system. Yes i think that they if they really , think that they if they really, really, really, really wanted to stop them, that they could. Yeah. Interesting yeah. Interesting conor, agree. Yeah, absolutely. They know the sort of people trafficking gangs that are running to them running this and to allow them to to profit off of it to continue to profit off of it is heinous. And we see that is heinous. And we can see that with poor child that died with the poor child that died being dragged along by its parents into the boats across the sea. I think think its the sea. I think i think its the sea. I think i think its the people that clamber in the boats when theyre adults, if they they take they go along that and they take they go along that and they take the and break into the the risk and break into the country, course. Then if country, of course. But then if you route to stay you allow this route to stay open drown, open and children drown, then thats the fault the thats also the fault of the politicians come politicians that let them come over incentivise it the over and incentivise it in the first over and incentivise it in the firs blood their hands, basically. Yeah, essentially. So, yeah, right. Okay. A passionate debate and one that think will go on for one that i think will go on for some to meanwhile some time to come. Meanwhile still this show, still to come on this show, taking knee, the rainbow taking the knee, the rainbow lace wearing virtue signallers are at it again. All that are back at it again. All that coming up right . Earlier on i asked, has the time passed for taking the knee . You know , the blm taking the you know, the blm taking the knee, etcetera, from last football season and you have been getting in touch in your draghi droves. Now, bearing in mind the premier league is kicking this weekend, but kicking off this weekend, but you to watch that you dont want to watch that tonight. Watch instead, you dont want to watch that tonigrmoretch instead, you dont want to watch that tonigrmore fun. Instead, you dont want to watch that tonigrmore fun. Johnny. Aad, you dont want to watch that tonigrmore fun. Johnny. Good much more fun. Johnny. Good evening, not evening, johnny says i will not be watching tonight because i heard yesterday about still taking knee. Marion says, taking the knee. Marion says, definitely time to stop taking the knee. A point has been made and life has moved on. Meanwhile knee neil says not to neil very appropriate name actually , its appropriate name actually, its not up to you or anyone apart from the players. Its a pointless question. Oh, beg your pardon. Thank you very much. Pardon. Thank you very much. I thought its quite a good one. Meanwhile trisha says most definitely no sporting event should permitted while no should be permitted while no taking knee , stop dividing taking the knee, stop dividing our and stand together. Our country and stand together. Lots of response on this. Meanwhile, rob, good afternoon or good evening. Rob says just stop it with the virtue signalling rubbish and play the game you are paid really well to play game you are paid really well to play so still with me in the studio is behave several observationalist Jenni Trent Hughes and commentator and writer Conor Tomlinson now huh connor jenni football fans have we not got past this yet . I mean we not got past this yet . I mean we were saying during the break how Much Division it caused. I go to football regularly. Okay, home and away, and it caused so Much Division amongst fans. It did the opposite of what it was meant to be doing wrong. So conor,is meant to be doing wrong. So conor , is it time we just forgot conor, is it time we just forgot about the whole taking the knee thing . It caused a lot of anger thing . It caused a lot of anger last season. Why are we still last season. Why are we still doing it . Or why are the players still doing it . I dont think there was ever a time for it because i think it was taking the fairly liberal and well intentioned assumptions of of footballers who dont of lots of footballers who dont pay of lots of footballers who dont Pay Attention to politics, pay much attention to politics, who against racism , of who were against racism, of course, and folding it into the broader blm movement of 2020. At the same time, there were televised riots that inflicted 2 to 3 billion worth of damage and ended the lives of 12 to 14 people. And so, understandably, if there is a Violent Movement going on across the seas that is indicting your entire civilisation institutionally civilisation as institutionally racist while youre to racist while youre trying to celebrate your home town and your nation and the people who are well represent are paid very well to represent that signalling their that are signalling their allegiance with that revolutionary group, understand footballers are going football fans are going to be irate for that and thats still continued years on and thats playing into the hands those exact the hands of those exact revolutionary activists who genuinely believe because of critical that critical race theory, that black and get along and white people cant get along and white people cant get along and so that is and get together so that is going to cause more racism because people are going to start for start blaming black people for taking intruding into taking the knee intruding into sport. Exactly what sport. And thats exactly what those want. So that those theorists want. So that division so division is intentional. And so the taking the knee needs to be retired. If people do really the taking the knee needs to be retirtabout eople do really the taking the knee needs to be retirtabout stopping really the taking the knee needs to be retirtabout stopping racism. Care about stopping racism. Yeah, i mean, it really did. Yeah, i mean, it really did. As at football games, as i said at football games, i went to cause a lot of went to it did cause a lot of heated debate. What heated debate. Jenny, what do you this . Its only you make about this . Its only going be 50 games throughout going to be 50 games throughout the and its to be the season and its going to be special whatever special the season and its going to be specialare. Whatever special the season and its going to be specialare. Dontatever special the season and its going to be specialare. Dont know, special the season and its going to be specialare. Dont know, maybe games are. I dont know, maybe boxing the boxing day, but all the premiership clubs have agreed to do this. What do you make of this . Do you want to hear my opinion as a person with football history or my opinion as a brown person . Both okay. So most people in this country dont know this. No reason they dont know this. No reason they should. But i used to work for the cosmos , which was the first the cosmos, which was the First American professional soccer team. And we had pele. We had team. And we had pele. We had Giorgio Chinaglia , we had Giorgio Chinaglia, we had neeskens, we had beckenbauer tower. We had everybody. You did, didnt you . You did, didnt you . Blimey. Blimey. Ah, yeah. So i do know my football. You do know your. Thats why i didnt answer that question before. So , so question before. And so, so a large part of it was always social conscience. So the team always did a lot of work in the community. Et cetera. Et cetera. Okay so thats my football history. My brown person. History. My brown person. History is. Ive always been a brown person a little bit browner now because ive been out in the sun, but ive always been a brown person. Personally, i dont believe in in things like taking the knee. I im i just dont believe in that. I just dont believe in that. I feel that i want to live my life as best i can be. The best example of myself and thats what i care about. I feel that in most instances , doing things in most instances, doing things like that just serves to antagonise these people and has the complete opposite effect of what youre trying to do. How everi what youre trying to do. How ever i do feel that a lot of the people who scream about why it has to stop and the facts and the figures and blah blah, blah. Mm sometimes i think that thats covering up for stuff. So basically covering up for racism, covering up for feelings that they dont know necessarily that they dont know necessarily that they dont know necessarily that they have. So i think that people should take the knee if they want to. I dont think it they want to. I dont think it has any use whatsoever for and i never thought it had any use whatsoever. But i dont understand why it makes people so angry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why does it make people so angry . Because you seem to get quite angry. Well, i disagree with the signalling of an allegiance of an explicitly revolutionary Marxist Group who have such a low expectation of black people that they think that , quote that they think that, quote unquote, whiteness is the same as the smithsonian put out, which is the protestant work ethic and being on time. So they genuinely believe that the enforcement of low standards on american black people is the way to go. And they cant live with white people. This is their express statement as an express Mission Statement as an organisation. And then the football to Football Association decided to put rotating chyron put them in a rotating chyron around the stadium. They decided to try and have them on armbands and taking of the knee was a and the taking of the knee was a gesture of solidarity with that movement. If youre movement. And i think if youre going to insult entire people going to insult an entire people based race, both black based on their race, both black people and say people and white people, and say that all white people civilisation is institutionally racist and you demand that at the every single game, the start of every single game, the start of every single game, the solidarity to the players show solidarity to that of course people are that group. Of course people are going the going to get irate about the gesture its indicting going to get irate about the gesturtheir its indicting going to get irate about the gesturtheir colouriicting going to get irate about the gesturtheir colour and|g them, their skin colour and their do you know . Their culture. Do you know . But but the thing is, a lot of people dont know were taking knee originally came taking the knee originally came from you ask people, from and so when you ask people, okay, what is the history of taking they start taking the knee, they Start Talking colin, whats his talking about colin, whats his name . And and taking the name . And 2016 and taking the knee started back in world war ii, and it was something that was done by the army. And the was done by the army. And the idea was that when you were stressed out, you wanted to rest. You wanted to get your mind together. You took the knee and then there were departments in then there were departments in the army who did it to, to demonstrate their feelings against lynching , things that against lynching, things that were going lynchings of black people that were going on in the south, that its were taking the knee original only came from. So then you cant conflate that with the present racial issues. And Colin Kaepernick had co opted that and it. And then the black lives Matter Movement is not just against the deep segregation in the south. In fact, derrick bell , one of the fact, derrick bell, one of the leading critical race theorists that they uphold, said that desegregation mistake because. Well, i dont i dont i dont agree with i dont agree with the movement. I absolutely. I absolutely. You so youre not no, you dont. So youre not a jenny. Oh yes, i am. I have my own kind of crazy shaun bailey bye bye. Bye. By the high ups at bye bye. By the high ups at the fa and the and the the fa and the like. And the players, unwittingly players, i think unwittingly signalling allegiance with signalling their allegiance with this sowing that this group. It is sowing that deep division and they might not know not standing know what theyre not standing for the people on in the for. But if the people on in the stands saw, hey, werent people having their businesses burned down and werent there riots that people got away with over in states because this . In the states because of this . Maybe very much. And the one thing i wanted to raise as well, which i did find angry so much did make me angry so much so did make me angry, much that angry, so much so that i actually boycotted it, which is ridiculous no one ridiculous because no one actually world actually cared. Was the world cup qatar, where you had the cup in qatar, where you had the hypocrisy of footballers who were taking the knee , the were taking the knee, the premiership games , but then premiership games, but then going out to a country where there is homophobia, there is misogyny, and there is blatant racism. We think of the poor souls that lost their lives building those stadiums who are mostly from the indian subcontinent. But so do we think subcontinent. But so do we think theres an element of hypocrisy, the fact that these some of the very same players are out there playing in that world cup are now going to be taking the knee again . Again . Think that the world well, i think that the world cup never have been in cup should never have been in qatar. Absolutely. Know, qatar. No, absolutely. You know, so i cant get any further than that because that that that because i think that that was just absolutely awful. No absolutely. So what do you make of that . So what do you make of that . I think thats obvious. And blatant corruption. And i think as well, the reason that money is this is why you see is behind this is why you see a lot of performative virtue signalling this is the same thing the scores, the thing with the esg scores, the environmental social and governance you see governance scores. You see pretty corporation pretty much every corporation signed up to. This is why they fly pride banners. This fly a pride month banners. This is committed to is why theyre so committed to net zero. This is why they do black history stuff most net zero. This is why they do blthe history stuff most net zero. This is why they do blthe timery stuff most net zero. This is why they do blthe time these stuff most net zero. This is why they do blthe time these corporationst of the time these corporations dont about dont sincerely care about this. Getting. Instead, theyre getting subsidised the hedge subsidised by the large hedge funds your funds which say this is your corporate social credit score. If this, give you if you do this, well give you money have to outcompete money and you have to outcompete to and so, to be the most woke. And so, yeah, build yeah, they can build their stadium and give a stadium in qatar and give a dodgy contract to some oligarchs and lots of indentured servants die. But as and lots of indentured servants die. But as long as and lots of indentured servants die. But as long as they take die. But as long as they take the knee, well, the funds the knee, well, the hedge funds are happy. Exactly. The knee in your rainbow take the knee in your rainbow laces and the football laces and enjoy the football season. Thank you so season. Right. Thank you so much, you. Absolutely much, both of you. Absolutely brilliant. Much, both of you. 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Now, this isnt going to be a sad story, i promise you, even though it doesnt birth or death. Now, another death knell for the high street is wilko. Now, if you street is wilko. Now, if you live in the north or outside of london, this is probably a big deal london, this is probably a big deal. Theres i think, nine stores in london. Its one of the big chains on the high the last big chains on the high street. Are our streets street. So where are our streets leading to in the future . James widdowson is a visiting professor of forecasting innovation at London South Bank university and joins me now to discuss whats happened to wilko and what is going to happen to the high streets in the future. I mean, james, i promised you would cheer us up. I really hope youre to going do so. Now, firstly, do make of firstly, what do you make of whats happened wilko . Whats happened to wilko . A very serious well, its a very serious loss. Theres stores, 12,500 loss. Theres 400 stores, 12,500 jobs, and i think the most grievous thing is that they just couldnt control the cash flow. Couldnt control the cash flow. You know, when youre a Small Business or a medium sized business, in that case, thats the thing that breaks the business. Cash flow. They couldnt get hold of it. So now, you know , well be picking up you know, well be picking up the pieces. There may some the pieces. There may be some takeovers, of bits of takeovers, but only of bits of it, think was 12,000 jobs, 400 it, i think was 12,000 jobs, 400 stores were hoping to save some of those jobs at least. But you know, its all but you know, its still all up pretty up in the air up pretty much up in the air now. Has been going since now. It has been going since 1930. Its family run 1930. Its a family run business, started in business, but it started in leicester is it just leicester originally. Is it just a case that they didnt move with the times because youve got places i mean, obviously woolworths, we miss, got places i mean, obviously wocpickths, we miss, got places i mean, obviously wocpickths, mix we miss, got places i mean, obviously wocpickths, mix and miss, got places i mean, obviously wocpickths, mix and the miss, the pick and mix and the records, etcetera, etcetera. But stores poundland and things stores like poundland and things like that, theyre surviving. So like that, theyre surviving. So is it just a case that wilko didnt move with times . Didnt move with the times . I think nearly every chain today could do a lot to automate the back office, to make cash handung back office, to make cash handling faster and easier, to make my local supermarket. Make my local supermarket. But the retail staff are stacking the shelves. Theyre lying on the floor to stack the shelves. You know, its 2023, so theres a lot of innovation that they could be making at the level of mechanisation. Level of mechanisation. So what is the future . Come on. Thats what we need to. Well, we dont want any more wilko. So what can what can stores do . How can we our stores do . How can we save our high streets . Stores do . How can we save our hig welleets . Stores do . How can we save our hig well ,ts . Stores do . How can we save our hig well , what got do well, what weve got to do and you and i, think can and what you and i, i think can agree is got to stop agree on is weve got to stop the war on the car, stop the war on parking , the war on the car, stop the war on parking, stop the war on cash and banks closing down all the time. Stop having another nail time. Stop having another nail bar, another cost. And all of bar, another cost. And all of you know , stop fighting the you know, stop fighting the previous wars and fight the next war. We could be having child care. We could be having great education. We could be having 3d printing and laboratories, medical laborator if you go to ted baker, the headquarters in london, theyve turned the office over to a medical labs. That would be genuine innovation in so you can change the use , in so you can change the use, but you can also automate and make much more exciting and entertaining the retail fabric and the retail operations. So bonng and the retail operations. So boring in the high street non existent now in large parts of the north. I mean, many local high streets now they are, as you say, they are now bars and theyre Charity Shops and betting offices and things like that. Betting offices and things like that. So we say we should stop that. So we say we should stop those kind of ventures opening up and just try and well, its not its not a moralistic campaign. Campaign. Know i if you want to get your nails unfair enough but is it the way forward for retailing . Thats the question weve ask. We not do weve got to ask. Can we not do Something Better . Can not do Something Better . Can we not do schools or or a big medical practise . Its possible. If you look at whats happening in the states, they turn over old offices from retailers into gps surgeries with lots of examination rooms, x ray facilities. We dont we need facilities. We dont we need that in lots of towns. That in lots of towns. So there has been suggestion as well. I mean certainly with the fact were not building enough houses this country enough houses in this country that turn high that we actually turn high streets in the buildings, in high that are now not high streets that are now not operating as space into operating as retail space into homes. Sense . Homes. Does that make sense . Well it, but it is well you can do it, but is it is it innovation . It genuine innovation . When we when we you know, when we when we started zara 30 years started off with zara 30 years ago next or lots of these ago or next or lots of these stores , it really was something stores, it really was something to watch. You know, debenhams in to watch. You know, debenhams in the 80s , it was a complete the 80s, it was a complete a wedding cake of retail sensuality. Weve lost that. You know its all a bit sad and lonely now and weve got to get the creative city back. But so basically the high street that you and i grew up with is never going to be coming back any time soon. Really . Well, with genuine innovation, technological design, aesthetic fashion, then it can come back, but it wont be the same as it was. Right. Okay. Thank but it wont be the same as it was. Right. Okay. Thank you very much. Thats james wooderson much. Thats james wooderson there. Thank you very much. Im going to go shopping now. Im going to go shopping now. Im going to go shopping now. Im going to go shopping tomorrow and some money on and actually spend some money on the just it the high street just to save it personally. Right. Well, thats it and it from me tonight. And thank you panel and my you all to all my panel and my guests and thank you at home in particular for watching and listening. Real coming listening. Real treat coming up for now is the lovely for you now is the lovely Patrick Christys whos in for mark nolan. Patrick what have you got coming up on your show tonight . Absolute absolutely. Of criminal absolutely. Loads of criminal gang have broken in and stolen details Human Trafficking details of our Human Trafficking information. The information. Im looking at the bibby barge fiasco. Bibby stockholm barge fiasco. Premier League Footballers taking the knee doctor strikes and a quick look tomorrows and a quick look at tomorrows front as well. So front pages today as well. So its tonight. 9 to 11. Brilliant. Thank you very much. Dont go anywhere. Watch that. But first, whats that weather doing out there for the rest of your weekend . A brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im Greg Dewhurst and looking at the weekend. Be summarised by the weekend. Be summarised by sunshine and scattered showers, particularly heavy on saturday and looking at the bigger picture, we can see why this area of low pressure moves in for the weekend, increasing the wind strengths in increasing the risk of showers across the north and the west in particular, out there through the rest of friday evening. Not too bad. Therell be some clear spells before dusk and then overnight well see some outbreaks of rain pushing in across parts of northern ireland, western scotland, which could heavy times. Could be heavy at times. Temperatures generally a little lower than recent nights. So a little more comfortable for sleeping , little more comfortable for sleeping, but little more comfortable for sleeping , but still 14 little more comfortable for sleeping, but still 14 or 15 for many to start out saturday morning. Best of the sunshine , morning. Best of the sunshine, first thing across eastern parts of northeast scotland. First thing across eastern parts of these northeast scotland. First thing across eastern parts of these bands heast scotland. First thing across eastern parts of these bands ofast scotland. First thing across eastern parts of these bands of rainrcotland. First thing across eastern parts of these bands of rain slowlyi. But these bands of rain slowly push their way eastward through the day the area of low the day as the area of low pressure pushes in the pressure pushes in from the atlantic. Some of this rain could be heavy, thundery could be heavy, perhaps thundery at times across Northern England , be some sunny , but there will be some sunny spells will spells in between and that will lift temperatures to around 23 degrees the gb news. Its 9 00 on television, on radio and online in the United Kingdom and all around the world. This is mark dolan tonight with me Patrick Christys in for the big man and in my big opinion, with the number of Channel Crossings hitting 100,000, are we being lied to about the definition of a refugee . I also have a shocking news story to bring you about the scale of which we are failing to deal with this migrant crisis. But it might take at ten virtue signalling hits a new peak as the premier league announced that players will take the knee yet again in some games this season. I am joined by former tory and ukip mp Douglas Carswell to dissect the big stories that really matter to you and my newsmaker tonight is the renowned youtuber and political commentator. It is mayor tuc. Look there is absolutely loads on tonight and its a busy couple of hours to come. So put something cold and fizzy in the fridge, fire up the kettle, get absolutely legless for all i care. It is friday night, after all. Right now night, after all. But right now is your headlines with tatiana. Patrick thank you very much and good evening. This is the latest from the newsroom. The home secretary was warned that Holding Migrants on the bibby stockholm barge was a Health Safety risk. A huge health and safety risk. The Fire Brigades Union says it