vetoes the command for cease-fire in the gaza strip as congress turns up the heat on the nation's elite universities of anti-semitism on campus. ♪ >> free, free palestine. >> president of a major u.s. university resigns and two others are under fire. >> calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard code of conduct, correct? what do depends on the context for quick does not depend on the context the answer is yes. >> politicians on both sides of the oil or or outrage but. >> you cannot un- see. when you see it, it haunts you. like a no other image you could ever see on a movie screen progress human rights and women's groups are sank mostly silent over evidence hamas terrorist use rate as a weapon of war against israeli women. >> do we believe the hamas spokesperson that said rape is forbidden or do we believe the women? whose bodies tell us how they spent the last minutes of their lives? works will discuss across the country's al qaeda republican nancy mace. president biden signals he's ready to make a deal on the board of this in order to get millions of aid dollars to israel and ukraine. we sit on sweden defense minister pål jonson to get his take on the ongoing wars in his country's bid to join nato. former president d trump schedud to take the stand on monday. this is president biden's son is indicted for a second time for it will ask our sunday panel how legal woes in shaping the race for the white house. plus virginia lieutenant governor winsome sears has a message on expend the republican tent. his essay to the gop is you do not see any boat you must go after every vote. >> out right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪ six hello from fox news here in washington the u.s. is facing major pushback from other nations two days after vetoing the un resolution that called for an immediate cease-fire in gaza. wthe >> bite nearly every security council member country it also came after un warnings of humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip. as israel expands ground operations further south. here at home meanwhile the nation splintering over support for israel. most pointedly across college campuses but university of pennsylvania president liz mcgill stepped down last night after her response and a congressional hearing sparked fiery public backlash. she had declined to sate sstatestudents who call for jewh genocide should be disciplined. over on capitol senate republicans stalled the president's supplemental funding bill which includes hundreds of millions of aid dollars for israel and ukraine demanding a said he secure the u.s. southern border first. in a moment's al qaeda republican congresswoman nancy mace joins us live here in the studio we began first lucas tomlinson is setting by an off to israel with the war in gaza. hi trey. >> israeli forces hit 250 different targets overnight as the war enters its tenth week behind the black spoke lows in the's guideline the aftermath of some most airstrikes the current operational intensity is expected to last for at least eight another month according to officials familiar expect to gather new intelligence that could help them go after hamas leadership in southern because of the cities of rafah will be the focus of ground forces in the coming weeks death toll on the strip continues to rise and stands at more than 17000 people according to the hamas run palestinian health ministry the war does continue to draw international condemnation with countries like jordan and qatar calling for immediate humanitarian cease-fire. this after 13 out of 15 un secured council members voted friday to call for a truce before the resolution was vetoed by the united states. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu responded saying this. >> other countries should also understand it is impossible on the one hand to support the elimination of hamas and on the other hand to call for an end to the war. it will prevent the elimination of hamas. >> international focus remains on it gaza, there is continued fire from southern lebanon eyes the lebanese militant group hezbollah targeting northern israel earlier today. six trey yingst or parting from israel this morning thank you. joining us now is lucas tomlinson with white house reaction to congressional testimony on anti-semitism this week i lucas for. >> after a major donor threaten to pull his $100 million donation 37 members of congress called for her resignation the president of the university of pennsylvania has stepped down. >> list mcgill voluntarily tendered her resignation according to a letter released by the school's board of trustees late saturday afternoon. pressure had been mounting on mcgill after she testified along with three other elite university presidents before a house panel where they were grilled by lawmakers including republican congresswoman. >> at penn disco in a genocide of jews violate code of conduct? works as a context -dependent decision congresswoman perkins that can be depending upon the context brick works white house does responded violently contentious testimony. calls from genocide or unacceptable it is vile it is counter to every thing this country stands for progress mcgill attempted to walk back her comments following her capitol hill testimony progress is not focused on but i should have been the irrefutable fact that a call f for genocide of jewish people is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate. >> days later she is out of the job following mcgill's resignation congresswoman stefanik released the following statement one down to to go. this is only the very beginning of addressing the pervasive rot of anti-semitism this destroyed the most prestigious higher education institutions in america. this forced resignation of the president of penn is the bare minimum of what is required. >> you pin it says mcgill will remain at the university as a tenured faculty member the chairman of the board of trustees who announced her resignation also resigned a short time later. first lucas tomlinson reported from the white house for us thank you. joining us now here in washington south corona congresswoman nancy mace. it deceived. a suck but the scourge of anti- semitism a lot of it laid bare in that testimony so liz mcgill at u penn is now out. what else needs to be done? as any college president in this country that cannot condemn anti- semitism and jewish they need to resign or be fired there ought to be consequences for that the reality is israel is the only country in the world that is literally at risk of a real genocide that is what we are talking about here it is disgusting, it is shameful and should not be happening our college campuses. >> and want to ask you about this as well. israel has now produced over 1500 pieces of evidence that show hamas raped, sexually assaulted women and girls october 7. a lot of the women's group who profess to care deeply about protecting women have stayed largely silent. take a listen to this. >> where is the solidarity for women in this country and in this world to stand up for our mothers, our sisters, and our daughters? we call upon the entire un to formally condemn hamas for these rapes. >> is a global community we must respond to weaponize sexual violence wherever it happens. with absolute combination progress you agree? >> absolutely. but where are the women? where are the women's group who profess to be fighting for women around the world who have been dead silent on this issue question you can look at my colleagues in the house, why are they? her excuses last week we know now we now know hamas in their battle plan was to go in and systematically raped, mutilate, and murder these israeli women. i am a survivor of rape. the difference is i survived that many of these israeli women did not they were mutilated and murdered while it was happening and i cannot think of anything more shameful to see these women's groups he women on the left equipment and the house my colleagues on the left who refused to say what this is which is shameful, is disgusting, it is barbaric and we ought to be condemning it from every corner of our country every woman should be condemning this and i think it is shameful. gillian: what about the un? un women have been called secretary general himself 55 days to acknowledge the hamas sexual atrocities and when he did so they came in a tweet. >> we are seeing all this evidence now. we have seen videos of women who were naked and nude and hearing all the stories the evidence of witnesses that were collecting the body of the israelite women. i cannot think of anything more barbaric. it just goes to show there are some people in this world who are still animals and that is what hamas is. gillian: turning our attention to the u.s. record numbers of migrants across the u.s. southern border over the past week over half a million people came into the country illegally. that's just since october 1 fox news on the scene and lukeville, arizona. take a listen to this. >> where in the nicest you want to go? >> california precooked new york city. >> new york city i have family members there. >> miami. omaha nebraska. oklahoma? >> it's really not just a crisis for u.s. border states anymore is it? >> no. this is a literally evidence and documentation that every town is now a border town in this country. from south carolina represent small towns which just two years ago we were arresting people from ms 13 gang. this is happening all across the country it is a major issue for every american whether you are a republican or a democrat it does not seemed like anyone on the left wants to have a resolution of the minute we bring up border security in ukraine of a bracelet note we can't do that it all it is insane to maybe want to give more money and more recess and assess support to countries other country's borders except our own we are seeing this. terrorist aged men come across the border in record numbers and with everyone else coming across its literally breaking our economy precooked quickly do you think your carcass this week is going to come to some kind of a compromise agreement with the present bite on the issue to push legislation for his supplemental spending? >> we will see. chuck schumer has had a homeland security bill with border security responsible border security for weeks now a is not done anything with it. i don't think the left is serious about border security desk to their detriment. we have a plan who want to move forward we are willing to negotiate and they don't seem to want too. >> i want to turn your attention to politics former house speaker kevin mccarthy announced this week is going to step down at the end of the year. you are one of a handful of republicans who voted against him. this leaves you are a party going forward with potentially a three seat majority at the end of the year are you concerned about that? >> it also shows this was not about the people of this country this was not about the party this was all about power one man's of power we have to move forward we are going to have to be more united than ever going into next year end 22024 we are going to have to work a little bit harder and i wish him the best of luck in the future whatever that looks like. >> is any real hope you guys will be more united than ever before? 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(♪) >> the president of some of our most elite universities literally unable to denounce calling for the genocide of jews as anti- somatic. a lack of moral clarity is simply unacceptable. >> second gentleman doug condemning university presidents for their testimony this week. our sunday group let's bring in political congressional reporter want wives fox senior political analyst michael allen former bush national security council official and kate pavlik editor for townhall.com thank you for allfor being here in person it's great to see you. katy, liz mcgill is not resigning as a pre president ofu penn. the resignation comes only very intensive public backlash over the past couple of days as well as costing the university at unt least $100 million in donations that we know of a publicly so far. >> it's important to point out while she is resigning as president of the university she's going to be staying as professor at the law school. she has not had full consequences for what's happened here she will no longer be in a leadership position. this comes down to a problem we are seeing that's not going to be resolved by university president resigning. the faculty part petition the students about this ideology that's rearing its head on the university's the problem they ran into mostly with the testimony they gave is these universities have extensive policies and handbooks about nondiscrimination and non- harassment they apply that to a lot of different groups except for jewish students. that is inherently -- it is discrimination against students and a violation of the rights on campus. they have to do a top-down review of why anti-semitism is so deeply embedded inside of the schools. and they have to make sure the rules they arty have in place are applied equally to all students including jewish students. >> two katy's point mcgill is stepping down as president xi still has a tenured university. she can work of the rest of the year. at harvard remain in place as well. what can be done? >> i don't think they are anti-semites at that is what you are suggesting these are bigots of. i think they spoke badly. and it to my mind what you saw in the congressional testimony was a failure to help them selves is what he just said in the program they failed to express moral clarity that genocide is wrong. instead of. gillian: a jewish students have spoken out and said it's also a failure to commit to protecting us which is unsafe at the school will repay tuition. >> to get back to my point it was just dumb is dumb to say i'm standing behind the constitution and free speech and free speech on campus where people want to have academic debate and freedom of speech i think all of us on this panel allows all americans even if i engage in hate speech. you have to express right then that's outrageous and wrong they're hiding behind the constitution. to me it is not good -- this is an important point it's not good for the best schools in america to suddenly be subjected to the whims of congress or to rich donors. they should have said for themselves our values suggests not only with regard to some of the groups that katy was talking about and i suspect your talk about women, blacks, latinos and arab muslims but for jewish students that we will protect you. this is wrong you could not call for the genocide of people. >> if you get the sense that any of the three presidents believes that it's morally reprehensible to call for jewish genocide? >> that's them why they're the e trying to walk there trying to say these comments were bad but the argument you saw that went viral with congresswoman stephan nick is but the harvard president xi was saying we only take action when we think this turns into some actual conduct and that can be considered harassment. least a phonic responded back genocide is wrong and should be punished and thus resolve the clash. it's part of a broader issue schools have had trying to walk this line whether it was free speech and trying to keep students safe and i think from the backlash the presidents are basically admitting they did not do a good job their priority should be keeping them safe. >> the sentiment doesn't go hand in hand with it tense pushback to the ongoing gaza war take a listen to this congresswoman. >> president biden, i said this over and over again because i hope you hear me. you must listen to the voices of the majority of americans. the majority of democrats who work there but off to get you elected. you have to represent all of us not just some. call for a cease-fire now. >> is that true to taken to consider raw political calculations are making decisions about which party. >> of course not we need to decide and advocate for what's in america's interest. israel is has a long-standing ally of the united states they are trying to uproot terrorism. what biden should be doing now is continuing to give cover to the israeli so they can finish the job. by the way i think in the coming weeks they are going to shift the fighting for major combat operations is something more over the horizon like drones and special operations. that would be the political pressure it's the job of the president and i says to stand by israel as they try to go about this business it. >> too that point overnights i running in proxy groups want to more attacks against u.s. forces in the middle east they are now also threatening a blockade against israel at sea, in the red sea. is that a major escalation? >> funded by more or less controlled by the iranians who like to have a proxy groups to pressure israel and frankly the united states across the region. they are trying to up the pressure on us it is mystifying the biden administration won't do more to deter the attacks by taking serious action for the strikes again it's the proxy groups? blow up a dining hall. the american people should demand their leadership more action to protect american soldiers overseas. >> i thought the question here was what if a president biden was to call for a cease-fire? i think most american support israel but also think a cease-fire it might be a good thing. he's going to call for a cease-fire the israelis and netanyahu say no the united states loses its ability to shape that next space you were just discussing. we want to this not to be a continuous tender boxes going to explode into a world war. the advaita sites want to shape something that will establish a piece a deal with some kind. >> katy what is to stop president biden: for hamas to release the hostages are emphasizing that are calling on hamas to cease and desist targeting israel? >> allows hamas to win. arguably the reason they were able to carry out on october 7 is because with two decades 72014 you can manage this problem they do not carry up their objectives israel has to end this to end the cycle of terrorism be better for israel better for the night states of america that make the world a better place. defensive forces have done everything they possibly can to mitigate the humanitarian problem. givin the into the terrorist fighters. they have to finish this or we will be right back here according to the leaders of hamas that are hiding in qatar and not suffering with their own people. gillian: panel if that's lived there for a moment meanwhile u.s. strengthen ties with key european allies assigning the new military agreement in sweden this week. coming up next shannon system sweden defense minister to discuss that plus the countries bid to join nato. also take a look at brand-new poles indicate multiple gop hopefuls could unseat a president biden will ask the panel if it's time for democrats next. ♪ we're building a better postal service. with easy, more affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. 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(vo) get your competitive offer at opendoor dot com. something unexpected has arrived from experian. the new experian smart money™ debit card and digital checking account. it finds payments that could raise your credit scores without the debt. get your new experian smart money™ account through the experian app. gillian: welcome back u.s. and sweden signed a defense pack is a scandinavian country is now on the brink of joining nato. defense secretary lloyd austin and his swedish counterpart met at the pentagon to sign the paperwork u.s. access to all military bases across sweden and hedge against putin's regime in russia as the war in ukraine rages on. shannon spoke with the sweetest defense minister than reagan national defense form in california it just before he came her to d.c. to ink that deal. shannon: first and foremost a conversation involving sweden is about your entrance into nato. at looks like objections from turkey have followed while you're waiting for the formalities of that. how critical is that. it's critical for sweden for the security to be covered by article five. the common defense planning capability can make nato stronger we also want to be integrated into nato's plans and if sweden it's easier to defend finland and the baltic states because we can provide the alliance with strategic depth are territory can be as as a staging and basing area at which a make nato stronger. shannon: you said you were not surprised in the lines he's cross with respect to ukraine is worried about the growth of nato the turn of events he sweetest is the mother of all unintended consequences they sweden or defendant would not join the alliance that's a consequence this war has been a political military disaster for putin. shannon: you are all have the same conversations we are having in the u.s. about aid to ukraine and funding that. what is the sense like among the swedish people about continuing forward with the aid and the level of what you're doing? >> it's great importance we will continue to support for ukraine. i always say supporting ukraine is both the right thing to do it's also the smart thing to do because when we are supporting ukraine we are also investing into our own security. putin would have win this war would have much bigger problems than providing arms to ukraine financially military supporting the ukraine. this is really about investing into her own security as well. shannon: what are your long-term fears about putin, about this potentially spreading into the nato country which then would trigger article five and a lot of obligations for members. >> you have to be aware russia has a great appetite for taking political and military risk. they also stated they're going to reconstitute their own forces. and try to be even stronger armed forces and they have before the war. we have to be aware of that. the best way to do that is of course in joining nato which is great for deterrence and the defense of the whole alliance. but also investing into our own armed forces as we doubled our defense expenditures in just five years. we will do more as well and making ourselves stronger that's really key for us. shannon: what is the sense in the region about where it putin goes next? do you think there is a settlement in which he at any point whether the ukraine's ukrs fight back the land they lost there's a diplomatic settlement. what do you see as a finish line for that conflict? x we can decide that see if ukraine was to regain the territory in the 1991 or they want to stop negotiating that's up to them. there should not be any kind of decisions about the hands of the ukraine is the equating armed forces are doing something that's very difficult. they're going into these minefields they are clearing the mind at the same time and i understand that's hard and difficult for them. but they have the determination. if they do not have war fatigue we cannot have more fatigue. shannon: we are here talking at the national reagan defense formal but a lot of talk about alliances, leadership, international rule of law. where would you assess that we are in this moment in history with all the area conflicts and real challenges for people who are about democracy and freedom? >> this is been difficult times. there are chal challenges to thf law and let me say sweden in joining nato is about to rule it all becaout because before the e out in december that legally binding treaty saying sweden and finland would not be allowed stating there -- make this totally unacceptable we are a sovereign country we want to make our own decisions on how to join nato or not. i think now there's a lot of challenges right now of course in the middle east and what's happening in the end of pacific is much more and then in ukraine. but at the same time we've never been as united as we are right now. as far as the u.s. has shown inspiring leadership in the ukraine defense contact group we should build on this unity this first round of the west request she mentioned china and obviously their influence is ins showing up globally in all kinds of different ways. what is the mood in sweden with respect to china, your particular national security interests? and its influence expanding into the region? >> it has chan changed normalcy during this decade. give opinion polls 10 years ago sweden would have a rather favorable outlook on china. we are much more aware china is throwing its weight around the end of pacific we are much more cognizant some of the risks or unintended consequences we are having for direct investment into our critical infrastructure. we are establishing loss and nw regulations as well. we do not want to be in the situation where you are dependent on countries when it comes to your functionality or national security. gillian: are her back with the l now. everybody on capitol hill republicans say president biden seems a lot more concerned with securing a ukraine and israel's national borders than he is here at home fo but looking at the u. southern border. >> yes. there are plenty of substantive reasons for democrats to be for immigration reform and reform ad republicans to be for ukraine. let's talk about the raw politics of it all by the president is underwater on just about everything. especially immigration. he should want to get a deal with the republicans. virus on the street cried on immigration. it would help him electorally. by the same token, republicans in the house cannot be seen or should not want to be seen as selling out ukraine. ukraine needs us. cannot hand putin a victory but at the end of a bargain hard for immigration reform. that the end of the day the united states sees to be there for ukraine is good politics also. gillian: republicans are bargaining hard holding back the supplemental funding bill for ukraine and israel over this issue. with five or 35000 migrant encounters along the southern border has any of the money is solving at this point? >> they say it is simple border security is a na national secury that have ignored this issue more money to simply manage the flow of unprecedented numbers 12012000 and at this point too. we want to stop the flow of illegal immigration and raise the bar on asylums who have less of fraud coming into the country. that is what they are arguing and making the white house make this choice and they are saying we put this as part of the national security package because it is a national security issue the fbi director said to lawmakers this week on capitol hill there are red lights blinken everywhere. republican senators as well lindsey graham has been a staunch proponent of ukraine and israel aid sink we need more security as well because this is going to affect people in this country. there is a huge threat that is something the white house should be able to get on board with of stopping this problem not simply managing with more money more processes. gillian: or other linking red lights pray less talking polls for a minute. take a look at this. trump is still dominated the other republican contenders in the primary. but interestingly in a general now take a look at this 47% compared to 403% for president biden. desantis and biden head-to-head in a general would come in tight at 45% each. this is the most surprising to me, nikki haley comes out on top and a head-to-head against president biden she gets 51%. pete comes out 34 34 what surprs you there? >> is bad for biden. i think there's no getting away from the idea that americans at the moment looking at biden and saying we have several problems here. if you are inside the biden campaign though the message is the election is 11 months away. this is not going to be 2020 for a referendum on joe biden there are billions this is going to be inexpensive spend on ads during this campaign. they're going to make a choice election. they are going to remind voters that trump this week told sean hannity he's going to be a dictator on day one. >> only for the one day. >> okay. there is going to be a lot of arguments about exactly what you are getting with trump but now is not in the discussion. right now if you look at the polls it says for example trump is beating a biden but he is 37%. that's his base the question is what is is max? democrats are saying below 50%. if it's below 50% joe biden has a lot of room to grow. >> next to that point olivia, spoilers are piling up potential spoilers on both sides trump is going to be on the stand tomorrow on monday that undoubtedly will have some impact on voting somewhere. also present biden's son hunter biden is indicted yet again the second time facing nine different charges. how are these things shaking out in the campaign? >> what a world we live in. going back to the polls i thought was interesting they thought a felony conviction for trump but biden ahead of the margin of errors there is a civil case heat basically expect them to argue somewhere he had a vision and he understood more than basically the money that had been a projected and was approved by the banks. with hunter biden it's a different case also work comes at a very bad time for joe biden. the president is down in the polls. much more serious and we've seen before is a new weight he struggled to answer for it. both campaigns so with legal issues. >> to the hunter biden's failure to pay nearly one half million dollars in taxes over four years poses a policy conundrum for his father present biden being a president who hasn't dozens may be hundreds of times for wealthy millionaires in america to pay their fair share how can he support his son and advocate for that? >> let's throw the book at all the tax cheats with the government? rex he said specifically about his son he never did anything wrong he has not said that about other millionaires and billionaires. >> it is his son and i think his son we are very much acting indiscretion on the sunday show and not talking about the indictments against hunter biden because it's pretty awful in terms of his behavior. i think that is the man son who has had drug problems apparently addiction problems he loves his son. he is standing by the family issue but in terms of the policy were talking about i think let's get the tax cheats let's get the irs republicans do not want to give republicans the irs to grant the tax cheats. go after president biden if he did not go after his taxes. >> in terms of it being a family problem the president is connected to this in ways irs whistleblowers say they are not allowed to investigate the connection they believe joe biden had to these tax evasion charges and where the money came from. that certainly will be a problem for on the campaign trail. gillian: panel got to leave it there thank you so much for being with us. we'll see you next sunday for coming up next she made history virginia voters elected her as a first woman of color the first immigrant to statewide office. now lieutenant governor winsome sears their speculation she may run for governor. shannon sets out there next to talk about what she said. >> we must go after every votes. i did not know i was conservative until i heard a message. ♪ ♪. gillian: welcome back. winsome sears broke barriers years ago she became the first black woman a naturalized female citizen also the first female veteran elected to statewide office in virginia. back in august she released a book how sweet it is defending the american dream about personal faith and political journey. shannon sat down with the lieulieutenant governor at the e capitol in richmond. it is today sunday special. >> you have the most fascinating life story you're in a book would get all the details we talk about coming from jamaica six years old with your dander immigrants to this country. did you ever think you would end up you are not even a citizen when you did that, go on to be a business owner. did you see all the opportunities here? what was your thought coming here as a youngster from another country? >> of course it starts with my dad and it was his vision for fa better life. where he could restart his life actually. he only came with a dollar 75 and if you really want to put it into something you can picture seven quarters how do you start your life with seven quarters, a stranger in a strange land you come at the height of the civil rights movement just 17 days before doctor king gave his i have a dream speech as a black man. first about you applied to come you beg to get into the country. so, with his vision that led to my coming he came and got me after he had stabilized himself. now here i am. i am not even first generation american i am still the little girl who came off the pan-american plane. >> i remember those days. through that you start to build a life here and i remember you saying you felt like the education system here was weaker than compared to what you were experiencing the academic challenges she got in jamaica. what was your assessment of where we are as a country in on education? i note something or still fighting for charter schools and other opportunities. >> education is what lifted my father out of poverty after his dollar 75 he took any job he could find and use that money to put himself through school, started his career and now he has comfortably retired i have to find my own way in the world so education is what did it for me. education will lift all of us that's why push so hard for education because without an education you will get nowhere and you will get there very fast. we see it in the statistics coming out. our children are not learning and that is why we are saying was to all of the above. when the slaves were getting their freedom the three things they wanted. first their freedom yes. then they wanted their families reunited and then they wanted their education. you think about it. right after the civil war, 1865 1865maybe 20 or so years later u see we had black wall street right here in richmond was the first black wall street then we had oklahoma and how did they do it? as a black people just a little bit removed from slavery it was education and in fact that's why the master did not want the slaves to learn how to read and write they could literally write their own ticket to freedom let's that this man free and they could go off. that is why i have to push for education i say public schools, charter schools, all of the above and a private school, home school do you know black appearance are the fastest growing segment of homeschoolers? so it is all of the above i'm not going to stand in the way of any parent who wants what ever it is for their child when it comes education especially. what you talked a lot about your own journey as an immigrant to this country but that of black americans as well some people expecting you to hold this mantle of your black, you are a conservative to be a spokesperson for that particular viewpoint you have said is in the gop needs to better job of reaching all people including different voting blocs and backgrounds and people who may not think they actually have a lot in common with conservatives. you said there people within the gop were not getting code of black voters worry think the gop is on that spectrum? >> what i really consider and they say to the gop you do not seed in the boat you must go after every votes. i did not know i was conservative until i heard a message. and then i realized wait a minute, what i believe and how i'm thinking about certain political parties do not ring true. that is why you are seeing now more black voters, latino voters, asia voters, immigrants they are considering the gop as a possibility. i am for lower taxes. i am for not just a certain type of education but education for all. i am not for quotas on for the right to work. i want to keep my money and it's much of it in my pocket that i worked for. there are certain things that are conservative in nature. we just don't know that we are that way. and by the way i'm not trying to get all black people to be republicans. i am just saying we need political parties to leave us alone and we will do what we want to do but we do not need political saviors. gillian: you talk to the gop feel vying for 2024 you say the really beating each other up you like to see less of that. you've also talked openly about president trump that you don't think it's good for the country for him to run again but it looks like at this moment unless something changes he is probably going to be the gop nominee what is that mean for the party and more broadly for the country if he is? >> i am considering again that i could not support president biden. as a marine the way he pulled us out of afghanistan so many marine blood was spilled there in addition to sailors and soldiers in inflation is killing us i was at the grocery store the other day last week in fact and bought a few things the sales clerk said $40 and i said $40? what did i buy? i could see she'd been through this before i paid the money and walked off just like any other person i am thinking inflation is killing us. and so we've tried to do things differently in virginia with a gas tax in the state portion getting rid of it so people have more money the billions that we have returned to taxpayers here in virginia we would like to do more with that. so i could not vote for president biden. at the same time you can't call people verdant you can say they're evil. you can say they are divisive and some of the things be cannt call them vermin. i am a christian first before i am anything else and i do not want to anyone. the apostle paul said when i was a child a spigot like a child they acted like a child but when i became a man i put away childish things. that is what i would like to see. equally i did not agree with hilary when she said certain of us were irredeemable. we are not irredeemable but we want is less trauma. but we want is for the country to heal because you see what's going on around us we need someone who can bring us together. shannon: a lot of folks are having a conversation about virginia as well. with one term here in virginia. you and he have both said when asked about your future let's get through these elections statewide elections in virginia are over. did score the big wins are public and so far so first of all the question is why do you think that's the case? and secondly what is your political future with those now behind you? >> i am always saying the way forward is forward. there is nothing back there. we can learn from its and move forward. so what we do know is we actually picked up a senate seat we are not even talking about that we were down and we have picked up one. and yes, the results are not what he wanted them to be but we are not looking any more wounds we are going forward. we have to have a hope. we have to give hope to our children. we know the democrats outspent us $110 million to 77 million that we raised. think about that. for state senate races and state delegate races that is amazing to me $110 million. soleimani helps because it helps bring the message out would have been a worse bloodbath it would have been a bloodbath. if the governor had not gone through this initiative he was calling secure your vote virginia because we were able to bring out absentee voters. they normally only votes in presidential races or gubernatorial races. 500,000 of them imagine losing 500,000 customers. you cannot do that and when you cannot do that and stay in business. those are the people we were trying to reach only got enough of them but not enough we know the democrats are three and four years ahead of us on absentee voting we are just going to have to keep plowing through, plowing through. shannon: will your name you have a good pitcher about next time? >> we do have session started in january and that is what i'm focused on. we have to get through certain ideas. we have to get through commonsense agenda. the bills are coming through and some are so far left it's just not going to be good. but we will work together, one virginvirginia get through it be campaigns are done it's time to govern. shannon: lieutenant governor thank you. >> thank you. a final word when we are back. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. 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