trey: good evening and thank you for joining us i'm trey gowdy this is a special edition of "sunday night in america." ready or not here it comes. in less than one year americans will head to the polls to pick a president one third of t the senate and the whole house. the price it to say you have questions which we will try to answer throughout the course of our time together tonight starting with rich in new jersey. >> rich mueller from new jersey bussey tim scott has just withdrawn from the race for president. i'm really disappointed about that but i wonder what his change in the landscape to make it like that he doesn't have a chance? v6 to quote senator scott himself the voters said no, not now. but that does not mean no not never. this is not a political season or historical cycle where in someone with tim scott demeanor is going to flourish. politics right now covet fame over substance. politicians make the news for what they wear or tweet or say covet not what they do or even what they believe it. it is a cycle were anger in frustration have supplanted hope and optimism. policy is less important in personality. the gop primary voters when a different kind of candidate from what tim offers were you asked what changed, i think a lot of things have changed political opponents have become mortal enemies losing an election no longer means let's try harder next time it means the future of humankind is at risk. even though reagan lost and a ae link and a loss some candidates claim they cannot lose. write out when a landslide the likes of which have not been seen since but yet he would not be the republican nominee to the former president donald trump has a commanding lead nikki haley is rising for the governor ron desantis picked up a coveted endorsement by iowa governor kim reynolds burned for president trump beating president biden at all swing states it is early. lots can happen. president biden looks very beatable. it should be noted but also as a prevailing belief last fall republican voters were disappointed with the underwhelming midterm performance and as recently as this month with the loss to kentucky are republicans poised to take the white house, the senate keep the house? or will republicans be disappointed once again? we welcome fox news contributor karl rove appeared thank you for being here pretty art expert in all of this. let me start conformer president trump b2 joe biden next fall? if he is electable doesn't that impeach the main political argument against him? >> if it is trump versus bite it yes trump can win biden can win as well this is an election more people will be voting against the opponent them for their guy. the recent poll showing donald trump as a point or two ahead of joe biden nationwide further ahead in the early battleground states the key battleground states this is a real threat to joe biden's continued presence in office but it is by no means a guarantee of the outcome. 20 very close election either way the role of third party candidates none of them can win the presidency but all of whom can have a deep impact on who wins the presidency. all of these things are get to play out. either man can win in donald trump is ahead today. >> are there gop presidential hopefuls that would fare better against joe biden and the former president? >> absolutely. the polls show for example one pole had donald trump over biden by two i think nikki or ron desantis was up by four. the generic republican was up by 16 and one pole. so yes absolutely i've long felt the party that figures out a new and different face phase than bn or trump is the party that's going to have the advantage in 2024 buried the american people do not want to have a contest between 78 had and had won a cot four years ago they want to pass the torch if you will to a younger generation of leaders that is why the american people believe both men are too old to be president. donald trump by a majority and joe biden by nearly three quarters of the american voters. absolutely this is going to be an interesting contest for ill be more interesting if someone new enters the nominee of either party. >> republicans have had a series of disappointments in senate races or that that was candidate selection or candidate performance. west virginia does seemed like a pickup. you had arizona, ohio, pennsylvania, they look like they will be primary battles between election deniers, maga republicans and more mainstream republicans. what do you see on the senate side? >> first of all i would add two more states to your list in at michigan and wisconsin sees me three wisconsin and nevada but let's break it down into three groups. the ones most winnable for the republicans of the three states carried by donald trump at each of the last two elections of those are montana, west virginia excuse me ohio. i agree with you west virginia it looks good. we have a great candidate in my opinion in montana and jon tester has costs that will be problematic for him that it is a potential pickup if we win that one we hold all of our seats. and ohio is voted terrifically for republicans in recent years the statewide ticket one between 21 and 27 points with one exception. the republicans nominate a normal republican and need a shot and how despite brown is a cuffed tough candidate. one by donald trump at each of the last election the next year are going to be where it was close and where it was closest in arizona it's a complicated picture they're there to there s or three candidates. they probably will went of his two candidates republican and democrat gifts to be a lot tougher because the likely republican is kari lake who lost the governor's race, refused to acknowledge see them gone out of their way to put her eye and the more moderate john mccain stout republicans in the state than pennsylvania was just over 1.8% we have a terrific candidate there and david mccormick who seems real to avoid a primary the state party endorsed him unanimously. the seven senate committee is behind him. others have endorsed him he is a terrific human being personal friend of mine i think the world of him i think it's going to give bob casey a race for the record books. it is a saint is going to be tough it will be one of the centerpieces of the presidential campaign then the question is michigan, wisconsin, nevada the question is going to be to determine to some degree up we have a good candidate that emerges from the primaries. a lot of time ahead but we have good candidates either in the field is the case of michigan or thinking it in the case of wisconsin in a crowded primary and nevada those are all going to be races where the republicans do have a shot. they were very close in the presidential race in 2016 at michigan and wisconsin and nevada and again in 2024 wisconsin and nevada not so much on the quality of the can it's going to matter immensely. >> my old stomping grounds have been a disaster as of late. they cannot even bring a republican bill to the floor. will it not matter in a year? >> it depends what happens between now and then. the keep doing with the republicans are doing, it will matter. their chances of keeping the majority more difficult by how they have acted it is a small group has continued to block the ability of house republicans to advance an upbeat agenda. that causes them to be able say this is what i am for it was blocked by democrat senate and a democratic president but it is an uphill climb through plenty of time to turn around and see if the new speaker could do that. but it's who thus far have not proven themselves to be constructive. >> karl rove, hope you had a great thanksgiving thank you as always loaning us your expertise in joining us on a sunday night take care. >> you bet, thank you i'm getting over the mashed potatoes and ham and everything else somewhat with it. >> good for you, me too. take care, coming up present biden's trailing some possible doobie canvas in the polls. is it too early for democrats to start worrying question requests askrecklessdemocratic strategisn wallick next only on the specia edition of "sunday night in america." genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. ♪ we're building a better postal service. with easy, more affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. another excuse, i mean, reason for my family to crave a little pizza time. well, i've got one. my cuisinart indoor pizza oven, ready to bake up some bubbly, cheesy, savory sauciness with that perfect artisan crispy crust in about five minutes. it's great for snack time, dinner time, game time. me time. anytime. it's always time for home baked pizza. you want to know what it takes to be great? 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what do you say if t there any democrats watching what would you say to them to quit worrying this far out too. >> democrats love to kind of but the bed, throw up their hands they all is lost. what you just said in the intro we over performed and the midterms this is the first time in a long time that president's party actually increase their share of senate seats. we held republicans are just a five seat majority in the house that's gotten closer since 2022. so listen, the president is going to campaign hard. going to bring the message of the american people were going to spend billions of dollars on both sides framing t this electn are mining foes to last four years of the trump administration with all of the disasters at play. and again think the present at the end of the day is going to be successful i look at the guy who won at last go around by eight more votes that is my guide to win in this. trey: owing to engage in hypothetical with me. we are in court, you are an expert and i can ask you a hypothetical. >> you are longtime solicitor i'm a little worried about that big. >> i am arrested, i am rusty trust me you will do just fine. president biden called junes yod said hope you had a great thanksgiving i wanted you to be among the first to know i've had a great run i'm just not going to do it again. who would you say wouldn't run if he did not? who would be the likely nominee? who is the next in your judgment? >> democrats have great advantage we have great governors that could step up and perform gavin newsom, josh shapiro, got a great vice president who would run hard who is already running a race for president running the national campaign. i think the democrats are well-positioned for 2028 after the second term of the biden ministration. >> before i let you go there is a trend that propping up the most extreme candidate in primaries in both sides do it. republicans prop up the most, democrats prop up. do you think, it's kind of a high-stakes game of general election poker do you see that trend continuing in 2024 next fall? >> sadly i do into your point sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't we get more extreme people in washington. he spent many years in washington working across party lines building relationships you can stick to your guns be conservative be liberal but don't be extreme. so i worry sometimes only on the other side and the same with them. >> kevin walling thank you so much for joining us on thanksgiving weekend. hope you had a fantastic thanksgiving and if the president biden does call you, let us know. okay? 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third-party could play the role of a spoiler in 2024 but beyond 2024 is america really ready for a nether and different kind of political party? joining us now to discuss associate research scholar politics and public affairs at princeton university. do you think a third party could actually win? or more likely force the election to the house floor? let me withdraw the first question. do you think you can force it to the house floor? that scares me even more honestly. >> i do not think that's likely either. you are exactly right. just because a third-party candidate cannot win and the election system that we have does not mean they cannot spoil an election very does not mean they cannot affect the outcome. doesn't mean they cannot change the base. we have a single political science called law is to censure this idea it a plurality system with the single winner like we have, third party can assume that when they do not get enough support. that's why they don't form it. voters do not want to waste their roast. it also holds those minority votes tend to split toward the closer majority party. this year candidates like rfk who were at least one point a registered democrat summit like joe manchin those would be votes we would think would hurt biden that's why democrats are really worried about this. trey: i scared myself i was thinking about president election on the floor the house they cannot even decide whether to adjourn or not. can you imagine the election question rick i'm going to move on. you have a phd i have morally it a ged when it comes to politics. thirty party candidates to me usually hurt the party or the candidate they are actually most closely aligned with. like ross perot to me hurt george bush not bill clinton. people are going to vote for a third-party candidate, do they realize? do they care it is really like a half a vote for the party they especially don't like? >> these are all good points. trade, you know it off a lot about politics i would not sell yourself short there the case of the 92 election those votes actually took away from both candidates. surveys after the election showed it was almost a 50/50 split. the republican and democrat. it is a really good point this could actually hurt both parties your point about dysfunction, i completely agree with. i do not think were going to get there. but the dynamics of the national races right now could also affect they're down ballot house and senate races in 2024. that we don't really know what we are looking at yet as far as the landscape. click since i have you i have to ask you this. we had third-party proponents of it is at issue based trend or a personality based trend. in trying to think of issues would neither political party captures were most americans are. might be right for a third way. >> is a person a balance trend. they don't like donald trump do not want to hold their nose and vote for him it isn't issues based problem. promoters right now are far away from the moderate voters who decide national elections. thetherefrom the moderates. most primary voters and antiabortion. it's quite strong striking democrats are really a week on the issues that matter to voters. the economy, crime, immigration. at all these issues voters have consistently said republicans owe more competent and credible but because republicans have these two issues that produce more extreme candidates in the primaries they put themselves at odds with the median voter and that's really the risk that they have it. >> you would think it may be in a couple hundred years they would figure that out. but so far not many of them. thank you for joining us on a sunday night hope you had a great thanksgiving. >> you too, thanks trey. >> yes, ma'am. voters may seem reluctant to embrace a biden/trump rematch but will that result? how if at all will it impact senate gubernatorial and house races question at joining us now at washington examiner columnist and reporter salida, thank you so much for joining us. it is all very confusing for me. voters say they do not want a rematch of 2020 but that seems to be exactly with the primary voters are going to give us. so what explains the disconnect? >> i think part of the disconnect is the way we vote. in primaries they are often closed and the people that participate in primaries are the ones arch of the further's left of the or the furthest right ine parties. so that gives a skewed choice a lot of times for the voters and that is where the disconnect is. you talk to people down the middle and they are like i don't want either one of them. they can be center-right or centerleft. i recently did this three part series traveling through all 67 counties of pennsylvania and as you go pennsylvania tends to be one of the pivotal states and a presidential election but also u.s. senate and congressional races. and i looked at always trump a voters ride or die biden voters and please give us anybody else voters. the most interesting debate and conversation and enthusiasm came from people more interested than anyone else outside of trump and biden. now a lot of that has to do with the vovoters not wanting to rele 2020. not just the election. you have to remember 2020 was a very hard year for most americans. they lost jobs, they lost family members, their lives completely changed. their children's school and education and their mental health changed. so everything about 2020 they do not want to repeat and they associate trump and biden with that. six you mention pennsylvania. the senate map there is a pennsylvania seat up. it is favorable to republicans i guess they have been known to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory think they last loss of pat toomey' seat. as you travel pennsylvania or think more nationally what are some of the pitfalls awaiting gop senate candidates? >> oh well, i think the decision you make on what to run on. if you stick with being strident on cultural issues i think that is going to cost you voters that are in the center. voters that would be interested in looking at someone who is concerned about fiscal issues. that is more concerned about crime in a way that it has not been shown through current governing elected officials. so if you focus on the issues if you are a republican and you focus on the issues i think you can be successful in the state like pennsylvania. thirty-six before i let you go you have been close to voters you been following them. do you get the sense more voters are voting for a candidate or against a candidate they do not like? >> they are voting against. absolutely. they did that in 2020. a lot of tromso problems happened because of coated. because of people's perceptions of how he handled in his comportment on especially during the debates. a lot of voters minds a change in that moment and they voted against him and not for biden. biden faces the same problem right now. trey: is afraid you're going to say that is afraid you're going to say most people vote against somewhat enough for something i appreciate your honesty. hope you had a great thanksgiving thank you for joining us. >> thank you. trey: yes, ma'am. up next republicans lost both seats in georgia. lawton pennsylvania, arizona, and the bad up it was top of the men responsible for making sure it doesn't happen again. and rsc chairman senator steven daines from the great state of montana waves in right after the break. my husband and i have never been more active. shingles doesn't care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel, your risk of shingles sharply increases after age 50. but shingrix protects. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. shingles doesn't care but, shingrix protects. shingrix is now zero dollars for almost everyone. ask your doctor about shingrix today. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. i was a bit nervous at first but then i figured it's just walking, right? 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republicans nominate house candidates who cannot win? the issues people do not expect to agree with you on everything. they do want decent sworn ethical women and men who broadly reflect their values they do require decency the overwhelming majority of americans do not what women womn prosecuted for having abortions. theythe rape and incest victims. it's unconscionable to have an abortion for selection. the thread the contentious issues will have electoral success. republican should set reasonable expectations and stop the cannibalism that occurs when ewheneverthey do have a majorit. here to discuss the state of the senate and rsc chairman senator steven daines from the great state of montana. let's start in your great state you have a house member who is arguably best known for his speaker. a running against the navy seals a successful business man. what's going to happen there in montana? >> first of all in montana every statewide elected official is a republican with the exception of jon tester. trump one montana by 16 points back in 2020 we are a very red state that congressman is not in the race yet. so i hope matt stays in the house seat. he needs to build his seniority there. i work with matt but it's best week nominate, we recurred him in this race he is a navy seal. one hundred combat missions for tim sheehy. he is an amazing american. he is a businessman he was also married to a marine they both met at the naval academy they both served in afghanistan they have four children it's a great american story. tim will appeal across a broad spectrum of the electorate. not just a republican voters but to independent voters the key to winning in 2024 is finding candidates they cannot just win a primary elections but can also when general elections and have a broader appeal. >> you mention general elections and brought appeal in arizona you had a candidate who claims trump one. claims she one, insulted the bushes and the mccains is that the best candidate to win statewide in arizona? what about doug doocy? >> i note doug doocy he worked at procter & gamble together once upon a time in a prior life. the key to wading in 24 is not focus on grievances from the past. but to focus on the issues that matter to voters there are a lot of issues that matter to voters for the high price of gas, the high price of groceries, coarse inflation. the out-of-control southern border and the crime wave coming across this country as well as a terror threat from the southern border. the weakness joe biden projects on the american stage unless he represents our country and foreign policy. the withdrawal from afghanistan a complete debacle the complete failure of the appeasement strategy with iran. if our candidates and carry lakes focuses on those issues of arm group with the passes of very competitive state. there's not enough republicans in arizona you can afford to alienate him. let's move to ohio per ohio voted for trump jd vance and brown. i cannot reconcile that. who is the candidate in ohio that you think and beat brown? >> step back and look at the bigger map. this is the best map republicans have had in 10 years the united states senate. we start with these three very red estat estates in west virgi, montana and ohio were every one of those three states need statewide elected officials and jump mansion in west virginia. joe manchin is announced he's retiring that's going to be a seat we likely will pick up that takes his 50/50 notes down to montana and ohio as her two most likely pick up seats. in ohio look up jd vance preheat wone with 53.3% of the vote in 2022 that is exact same number trump one by 12020. it shows us despite jd vance being outspent three -- one ohio has become a red estates. it's going to be difficult for brown to beat any one of our three candidates in ohio part we like all three of them we not endorsing any of those three they all bring their own respective resumes and backgrounds. i like our chances in ohio but it's going to be a massive race it's probably going to be $300 million senate race because the democrats know they have got to keep ohio or they lose the united states senate. >> i will tell you if i had $32 million i would buy a farm in montana and i would never leave. the fact you are willing to leave at one of the most beautiful sites in the country to go try to help the senate, god bless you for that but steve daines and the great state of montana happy belated thanksgiving we will see you soon. >> happy thanks giving to you as well. trey: coming up kim breaks down the upcoming election based on the issues. on "sunday night in america." of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. 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what makes instant destinations we are nation of laws our laws must be followed here at our borders must be secure. we have to be tough on border security and outlaw unlawful information without alienating voters. what other issues will drive it voters next fall question at the board and crime motivate gop voters on abortion and environment motivate democrat voters. the war in eastern europe or that middle east play a role? joining us in a now wall street journal columnist fox news contributor kim, welcome. thank you for joining us. republicans to me do not seem to have coalesced around the issue of abortion you have some from no exceptions. even for rape and incest. brevet summit talk about prosecuting women. maybe that works in gop primaries, maybe? but i doubt it works in a general election does it? >> we know it does not work at a general election. by the way, it is great to be here. we just had a special election and virginia. we had last year's midterms. republicans relate struggled on the abortion issue. when you took at those positions you are so it writes that you can have a good solid policy position. you also have to be able to have the right tone, the right nuance. some of the attention you have seen going to nikki haley. her approach to this quite a site from her position this should be left to the states. don't to judge you and find common ground in the middle. that is far more palliative message to a lot of suburban and voters you have seen in recent republican elections. i want to ask about it an issue near and dear to my heart. it is primarily it's primarily a state and local issue should it be nationalized for federal candidates? >> i am always really wary about this because of what you've just said. something like 90 -- 95% of the crime issues and up going to the police about our things handled by state and local authorities. i think there is real power in candidates talking about how we got where we got. summer of 2000. on crime prosecutors also democratic party give aid and comfort we should talk about that attitude. i should talk about the other side. you see how difficult this is for democrats for just a few weeks ago the incoming mayor of philadelphia the first woman to run that city. spoke entirely about crime promising to get tough on it and bring about controversial procedures like stop and frisk. this is now something democrats may understand as a liability in chand changing their approach. trey: this is what i need you to help me with it looks like a band of eight republicans linked arms and got rid of kevin mccarthy. part of what they claim was too much spending. and yet some major leading republicans do not talk about mandatory spending how can i take you seriously? >> you cannot be taken seriously. that is my bottom line first a qualification question for anyone who is looking at federal officers and those who want to go to federal office. are you willing to talk about the real drivers of spending? which as you note our entitlements for the social security, medicare, it's medicaid this ongoing welfare programs including food stamps. those are the real drivers of our budget you can stand and talk all you want we need to cut 10% out of our discretionary domestic budget this year it is a peanuts it's a drop in the budget. on the ship officials willing to embrace with the call the third rail of politics and get serious about it with real solutions they have no real plan for fixing our current debt crisis. quest give me one sleeper issue we are not thinking about i am not thinking about for next fall but you are thinking about. >> is when i am thinking about. ongoing issue and republicans have or prior administration which is civil service reform. especially at the federal level of a goes off the rails fbi are people inside of the big departments that are not following the rules executives but ouch. that needs to change. trey: kim, i have a sneaking suspicion i'm going to be calling on you quite often over the next 12 months. i'll be happy hope you had a fantastic thanksgiving thank you for joining us on a sunday night loaning us your expertise. >> thanks, youtube you too hopee here. trey: yes, ma'am great thank you for spending part of your send it with us. hope you have a great week ahead hope you had a great thanksgiving with your loved ones. or on that t trait gouty podcas. good night from south carolina. ♪