30,000 per month. how in any way is this a shutdown at the border? final thoughts to you. >> it is a failed attempt on the border. we already know that smugglers in the past when we first started the cbp one app were including that as part of the package deal as they were actually scheduling some of these hearings or appointments. i think the whole thing is really going to be a disaster. to the point of the congress woman, once again conflating motor security and immigration do you see what she is talking about? she is making it all one thing. we need to talk about securing this border and not just conflating immigration. we have an immigration issue but we also have a border security issue because we are seeing things play out everywhere in the country. we need to get tough on the border and we can address immigration. >> sandra: to finish that thought bill melugin will join us in a bit. and the shutdown of the border

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