Interpret to our tv viewers, that is, this is how it came out completely, or is it just that the format is changing a bit, and how to interpret the whole thing, the public Just Announced that it it didnt work out, but the format is changing, and we wrote it immediately in the media detector, well, without such goatism, but well, what happened officially, the public is starting to conduct a 24hour marathon. On the first channel, but that is, it does not participate in the telethon, it does not have its own slot, and it is not broadcast by commercial broadcasters, but it did not come out of the single marathon project, yes, that is , its 24hour broadcast, it will also be a component of uh, this, the only news of the project, yes, i explain it like this, and they are now negotiating the possibility. Exchange of content between public and commercial broadcasters, well, thats all the same, we understand a certain forced decision due to certain uh no no no no no understanding of each other sometimes, but it still cant be said that it came out of moro, mrs. Natalia , passed the marathon, but did not pass the only a why, madam editor, and why. What was the point of making such an extremely interesting, informative and extremely confusing scheme for ordinary ukrainians . Well, because there were certain misunderstandings between the commercial tv channels and between the government, well, lets be honest, yes, that is, i think that the main reason is that, after all, the balance of Political Forces was on the public channel. Among them was present, well, first of all, or rather European Solidarity, because there are other voices, the homeland, also present on the broadcasts of other tv channels. European solidarity is present only in the Public Sector, and when they began to emphasize that only the Public Sector has a certain political balance, i think that the president s office and commercial broadcasters did not like it either, well , firstly, secondly, i think so, what else is there. Some advertising things will probably be returned to, well, start a commercial advertisement for a telethon, and everyone is an extra mouth, as they say for an advertising pie, it is bad, yes , it is worse than than than it was not there, although i still think that it is already well, thats it. Everyone is tired of each other, and the public, which strives to adhere to the standards of journalism and balance, and commercial broadcasters, and the authorities, which strive above all for the broadcast to be, well, lets say, controlled , ms. Natalya, i am now referring to the media detector site, actually the media detector took a comment from Oleksandr Bogutsky seo star lite media, and he says that the public has taken on. Itself an important obligation to invest its resources, a large Regional Base and power to strengthen telethon, to strengthen telethon, i want to emphasize this, and i am talking about the fact that we will continue to cooperate with the public, that they will help each other, that is, if we understand correctly, then these channels, which will now remain in this telethon, they will use certain content of the public and they will broadcast it to themselves, well, i said that this is what we are talking about now and god forbid. Let it be so, but we understand that the number of those statements that were about pressure on the public and starting from the Media Movement and ending there with western partners, yes. Indicates that that not everything was so rosy and that not everyone was guided by her motive to increase social opportunities, to strengthen the diversity and political balance in the telethon, that is, now, but i believe that for me it was an ambiguous decision, because i was very moved. I have no confidence that everything will be fine with the public broadcasters budget in 2025, this worries me above all, but what happened happened, and this option, which is now available, when the public received written guarantees from the nsdc, regarding the fact that it will not be moved from the first broadcast, because we know that there is a decision of the National Security council that all channels that have an informational component should only broadcast the telethon. In the form that it is, actually slots, yes, eh, and there were fears that if the public one goes to make only its own content, then it will simply be turned off from the digital air, eh, how did it actually affect other channels, yours, yes , yes, yes, separate from espresso, and thats all, uh, thats why public, until it received these written guarantees, it still did not take this step, yes, after leaving the telethon. Now it seems to have received, well received, yes written guarantees, and it took this step, well, god forbid that it was really more or less balanced for everyone and that everyone was more or less with their interests remaining, first of all socially, of course, i worry, well, the key story, so that our society had little chance to receive balanced and honest some kind of proportionalquota information regarding interpretation. In the country, we understand, well, that the presence of the opposition is a mandatory guarantee of this, that is, this is the golden rule of all journalism in the whole world, well except probably ukraine. Well, we remember that a couple of weeks ago, maryana bezugla, a peoples deputy from the ruling party, began to quite, so to speak, actively criticize the public and, in general, what is called ukrainian state broadcasting, so we understand that public is a separate position. And whether the public now manages to fight back against the completely understandable wishes of the representatives of the authorities, so to speak, to influence politics, or to make, so to speak, the presentation of certain oppositional positions of the opposition Political Forces, well, in proportions, i dont know there one in 100, well, the social one seems to me to be more of a proportion, but for the opposition forces, but actually this step of the social one. It shows that the social one will continue to adhere to the standards and keep the balance, here it is more important for the whole society that at the same time there will be a telethon at all without this political balance, yes, that is , the only news in the telethon is not in the project, there will be no European Solidarity in the telethon at all, that is , now it is necessary to convey to the viewers, to a wide audience, that in order to. Have some balance, in order to see the same European Solidarity, you need to watch not only the marathon, but also the broadcast of the first public channel, i hope that this will happen, because society is really interested in receiving not only governmentcontrolled information, we see how the popularity of telegram channels jumped, this is precisely because society does not find a full response in the telethon. Those realities that are now in the country, and it is looking for alternative information, and let it better look for it to the public broadcaster, which does not sow treason, absolutely proukrainian, in contrast to telegram, where there are a lot of prorussian and russian resources, let them search for us together, ms. Natalya, but look, in this case, we understand that these channels, which remain in this telethon, should probably get rid of the state financing. Because if they aim to develop the commercial market itself, yes, to be competitive, then maybe the authorities should think about whether they should continue funding in the 25th year, and actually, maybe these funds that they would be ready to allocate to the functioning of this telethon, to direct it to the public broadcaster, well, i think that this will definitely not happen, that is, the main thing is that the public broadcaster. Kept at least the funding that he has now, and we know that not a single year has the Public Sector received what it should receive by law, uh, uh, i think that. These channels will continue to receive these funds from the state, because it is beneficial to the state as well, it thus makes public commercial broadcasters and their owners more loyal to themselves, and this it is profitable for commercial broadcasters, because it is now such an Advertising Market in the country, well , it is small, that it does not receive the funds that it receives thanks to the state due to advertising alone, and if it is still allowed. They now prefer commercial broadcasters to have advertising in the telethon , then they will feel more or less normal, and i think that so andso is so, they will share in a single impulse with the authorities, well, that is why i emphasize once again, it is necessary to convey to society that it is in order to get really balanced information, it should look now not only marathon, but also the public broadcaster, and those channels that belong to the opposition or to her, thank you, nataliya ligachova, the head of godetektor media, worked for you on espresso, we are now going on a short break, after her we will continue our information day, be with espresso, tired of heavy and bulky saws, then unpack strong saws tv is just for you, they will easily cut trees and bushes, they are convenient to use. For carpentry is the perfect tool for your home or garden, and is priced from just £999 uah choose a basic model or a model with a telescopic handle and order now, Free Shipping is available. 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Vasyl winters big broadcast. A project for smart and caring people. In the evening. The information day of the tv channel in rospolin, what will we do now, there are a lot of events today, the meeting of the verkhovna rada, for example, has now been stopped, yes, because the deputies began to block the tribune, demanding the creation of a temporary Investigative Commission tska and tcc, dont get confused, dear citizens, you should update your data in the tcc, and the tcc should investigate or monitor the progress of disputes. Or to coordinate them in relation to, in particular, certain inconsistencies, well, in this case it would refer to the situation with fortifications in the kharkiv region, and they also demanded to speed up the process of decision and voting on the relevant draft law dedicated to the uoc mp. Yes, well, for now stefanchuk said that he is closing the meeting, well, but now we will talk about an extremely Important International situation. Important things, ihor simovulo is in touch with us, director of the middle Eastern Studies center. Glory to ukraine, mr. Igor. Glory, congratulations. Well, president raisi is dead, right . Well, the key story, of course, is not even how he died, whether the helicopter fell, whether this helicopter was helped, who it could be, whether it could be specialists from the individual state of israel, or from some other middle Eastern Countries , or were they i dont know there at the behest of intrairanian rival ruling clans, but the key story is what happens after death raisi, yes, well, if we take the russian aggression against ukraine and the iranian shahed trace in this whole matter, then raisi, it was rather a plus or a minus for us, or maybe, you know, we are already falling into conspiracy theory, they can appoint another more strange or prorussian, for example, the president , well , first of all, after all, they are not appointed, but elected, although they are elected from the few, and these are nonfree elections, and in order to become the president of iran, you have to go through a sieve, i remember how andropovo was chosen, do you remember, well, what, well, but after all, andropov is the Supreme Leader, yes, this is khomeini, and not, say, the chairman of the council of ministers, well, in this case, it is precisely the president ial position it is an executive position, that is, they, the president , of course, has his own point of view and a certain strategy, but he follows instructions and key narratives produced by the Supreme Leader himself, so whoever comes to power. After raisis death, the situation will not change in any way, as long as there is actually the current Supreme Leader ayatollah khamenei, alei khamenei, and therefore there is no point in wondering whether someone prorussian or antirussian will come, this everything loses any meaning. But what is important, well, actually, many researchers, i agree with them here. Says that actually, in this story, the important thing is not the reign of raisi, the death of raisi and actually everything that will happen after raisi, in the sense that aliyahamei, a man of respectable age, 85 years old, ah, sooner or later, rather, early he will die, and it is obvious that the position of Supreme Leader is a key position, if earlier. It was prophesied and talked about that raisi could be such a successor to this position, as of now we see that the situation is intensifying, there is no one so obedient, so completely ready to follow the course of the party and the Supreme Leader of man, and everyone predicts that the elections. And if not the elections themselves are a procedure, and around the elections there are all political, all kinds of battles, they can lead to turbulence, significant turbulence in the iranian political class, the contradictions, the contradictions that exist will be exacerbated, and this, of course, is in the hands of those who do not want to see in power this conservative group affiliated with the islamic guard corps revolutions but here, unfortunately, i have to disappoint in principle, the change of people in this position of the president , in the position. The minister of Foreign Affairs and in general until the change of the Supreme Leader, the policy of iran in relation to ukraine, russia and Everything Else will not change. And how can china behave now in this context, we understand that now many expert circles also believe that this is perhaps a bit of a conspiracy, that china is now ruling everything, and that iran is a kind of, like russia, that chinas proxy. How would you rate the role . China now in this situation . Well, it is good that you immediately say that it is a conspiracy, so there is no sense, as they say , to discuss it very much, after all, the situation is much more complicated, and indeed the trade between china and iran is quite powerful, and china is the first in the list, and china is extremely interested in the stability of the government. The transition of power and without upheavals, so they will carefully monitor what is happening, but it is clear that they do not have much important influence, well, unless, of course, we are talking about nonsystemic contacts, about systemic ones the contacts that exist between the chinese representatives, the representatives of the chinese authorities and the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps, i think that there are quite systematic contacts here, but raisi really was. In this sense an innovator, well, what an innovator, because he is the first, who has visited china for a long time, and there is a personal relationship with sijianping, so it is clear to the chinese that this story is not the most fun, but here is your vision or i dont know how you would interpret the mysterious death of the iranian president , that is, it is an internal story, is it there could be a certain. Hello from outside, well, i think that there is no need to build any conspiracy theories, in my opinion, then it is obvious that there was either a failure of the equipment, or a human factor, that is, here in this case there were after all bad weather conditions, and its quite possible that the pilot didnt struggle with the controls for a while and the plane hit a rock there or something happened, so all these stories about those. That someone killed him, well, they honestly dont inspire me very much , but right here , in fact, conspiracy theories are loved not only ukrainians, and iranians also love conspiracies, and in this case it is not excluded that this one of these conspiracy versions will be quite popular, well, lets say, if the son of alikhamenea. Who, who is called very often, is also one of the contenders for the position of the Supreme Leader , he is so very conservative, he is also very closely connected with the corps here, and if in principle this is the situation, now he is in the shadows, he is not very popular, but if he, lets say, comes out of the shadows and tries to play first and run for the position of president. Based on the position Supreme Leader, then, accordingly, i think that in iranian society, such versions that it was he who killed raisiya, well, may be quite widespread. The state of israel, Prime Minister netanyahu and the initiative of the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal court. Yes, this applies to the demand for an arrest warrant for the Prime Minister. Israel and the leaders of hamas. What do you think we should do with this initiative . To us . Well, to you, as an interpreter, to us, as grateful interlocutors, and in general, what does this mean, i. E. Actually bet on one, so say, the level of the Prime Minister of the state of israel, and representatives of structures that have committed colossal crimes against the residents of the state. Israel, well, you understand, this is manipulation, in this case jurisprudence, International Law does not consider this situation, how to put it on one board, they consider specific crimes that will be committed, and hamas, respectively, for its part of the crimes, israel for its part, that is, here, this its not like, look, its not a very comforting, you know, approach. Yes, i dont know what exactly netanyahus crimes can be talked about, well, but aggression against the state of israel was committed. Wait, wait, it was very clearly stated for what crimes for. Using hunger as a weapon, blocking gas, preventing food and organizing hunger, in the gas sector, that was the charge brought, why now . Why now well , listen, theyve been talking about this for a month, maybe even more, well, in the end, evidence was gathered and charges were brought, i dont see any here, as they say. When we are happy about the fact that putin was declared an International Wanted man, as a suspect in committing crimes against humanity, and its us and the same, the same prosecutor did it, we think its perfectly normal, right, right, yeah, and when this prosecutor does some other thing, and if we like it, we start to question it , well, then it turns out, we have to question putins crimes as well, because the legal, legal right, it is such that the opposite side, israel, can prove its innocence if they want to. Mr. Igor, do you think that it is worth considering causeandeffect relationships in this case situation, because we understand, well, now i am not excusing israel in any way, i am not a judge and so on, but we understand if it were not. The attack of hamas, the events that are happening now in the gas sector, could also not have happened . Yes, of course, and also, if there was no occupation, a lot of things could not have happened, well , that is, right here, if we already give causeandeffect relationships, then it is necessary to go further, and obviously the court examines the entire complex, well, that is we must obviously admit that israel continues to occupy the palestinian territories. That israel was conducting a blockade the gas sector, that israel continues illegal settlements in the occupied territories, that it changes the human balance, which in itself is already a war crime and many other things, that is, in this case it is not about, this is a specific episode, the gas sector and everything from it is connected with him, but this story has been going on for about a year, a hundred years already, a little less, yes, if you take it from 1948. Finally, we would like to clarify with you, in 487, 478, the prospects for the recognition of the palestinian state, so there are already a number of states, in particular, members of the european of the union, who are ready to take this step, that is, we understand that, well, i dont know, the middle east will now try to solve this or that problem, we have a moment, well, yes, it is, it is, there is such an intention now. Among some of the European Union states that have declared that they recognize palestine. Yes, this is a serious step, some of the states are showing solidarity with palestine, because it had similar problems, for example, the irish, and there are the spaniards, they too, and political considerations, and such rather close relations with the arabs. Well, each country has its own considerations, but in general, yes, in general, i think that. In the near future, the number of states that recognize the palestinian state will increase, and this will create even more pressure on israel. Ultimately, this conflict must be resolved, and all resolutions must be resolved, including the decision that was made, supported by israel itself, to stay solution. Otherwise, in principle , this conflict can last indefinitely, and people will die both in israel and in palestine. Thank you, mr. Igor, igor samevolos, director of the center for middle Eastern Studies in touch with us, well, its time for news on the espresso tv channel, so well pass the floor to our colleague ironi koval, iro, well pass the floor to you and ask us to briefly tell you what you managed to find out about. Well, i will tell you about the scandal that just happened in the verkhovna rada, about the mobilization of convicts, as well as about the assets of the russians, wait, literally everything in a moment. Its 4 p. M. In ukraine and we have a news release on the espresso tv channel for your attention. In the studio of iryna koval. Greetings to all viewers. Now i will tell you about the most important events at this time