Is no clear definition, and it is simply called this rain for a long time. Did i understand correctly that it is precisely such wordings that you consider vague . Yes, because there is no talk about the fact that there is a war between the ukrainian peoples republic and soviet russia, that is, there is no mention of the second participant in this conflict, there is mentioned in the most veiled way about some ethnic cleansing. Which, in fact, into which this rain passes, that it is not about cleanliness, but about ethnic cleansing, but nowhere is it said who is doing these cleansings, against whom they are directed, as well as nowhere, lets say, when the story about the waveman and about this tragedy of the waveman, then for some reason the final scene was chosen exactly, exactly this replica of the waveman about the fact that he was a communist. That he, in fact, with whom he fought, with the nationalists, and it ends with the death of a waveman, and lets say, a person who is not too familiar, who builds his identity now, and now there are quite a lot of such people who want to understand, it will be very difficult for her to understand what happened, and for me such moments as, for example, also the mention of the fact that the unr is suppressing the uprising at the arsenal plant, that is, me. This phrase should be taken, if you are already talking about the january bolshevik uprising, which we all know, then you can actually name who started the uprising, but it turns out that we are only dealing with the ukrainian peoples republic, which is aggressively suppressing some kind of uprising, that is, and such misunderstandings, misunderstandings in this text a lot, of course, that a lot of people who praised it, i understand that they did not always listen to all the details, the details, but believe me, when i see all these reviews under the video that say, i listened 10 times, i make all his students to relisten to this material, that is, in fact, this version of some such extreme admiration, uncritical attitude towards this material, it conditions, it scares, because after this material, if we do not approach it critically, we will have. Not quite right perception, if, say, i, fighting russian narratives abroad, understand why they arose there, then when i come across similar things in a ukrainian project made during the war, it scares me. Galyu, you said about the teacher, but i cant help but pick up the topic, if possible, stay in touch with us for just a few minutes, i will first ask lyuba, yakymovych, and then. I will forward the same question to you, actor yevgeny yanovych, who is part of this project, he participated in the theromantics project, he, i read that he worked at kvn, kpi National Team, and on the basis of this kpi National Team, mama khahatala studio was founded, right . And here he, as a participant in the project, writes that you and i are critics of tromance. And we are not critics, by the way, we will also say about the big pluses of this project, these are naphthalene academic watchmen and dinosaurs, whose criticism, i am quoting, does not reach a wide audience, and we look with you sidebyside against the background of real work, what do you say on this, i am very interested, well , you can set fire to the borozhenche as much as you want, and the father, for example, heads. The author, the author of texts sashka khomenko, also oleksandr, came to me in the comments in order to call me names and mix with dirt, then he deleted his comment, good people did. And did not apologize , wrote such an enthusiastic comment, you see that this, well , that is, on the one hand, it is a way to defend yourself, here, aggression is always a way to defend yourself, here, and either to attack, instead of defense, here, and on the other hand, such an audacious attitude to a community that really understands this situation professionally, and they didnt say thank you, what they should have done, they should have said thank you for your remarks, we will take them into account, for example, in the next projects, we will involve a scientist, this is an adult approach, the approach that we see here, this approach is really adolescent, but it is not for nothing that they say a lot about teenagers, this is an adolescent approach of immature people, even if they are mature for their age, who perceive and react in this way, but in teenagers, i apologize, they have hormonal. Changes, it is difficult for them to control their emotions, they develop a cortex, a neocortex, and this, these people are already mature, which have already formed neocortex, in particular, yanovych, i have, i sure of it, he looks like a healthy person, and thats a very immature approach, in my opinion, well, but they will tell you about what to do better, look, and. We have hundreds of thousands of views, we have platforms , we have a product that we made , and you teachers, mothballs, come and teach us how to live, and here i am, by the way, i want to forward this question to galina kruk, galya, i will ask you about the actual mothballs, but i will complicate the issue a little more with a quote from oksana forostyna, a writer. Which says that here are these neophytes with their money and status ended up in this place because they did not let those who did not fit into the moscowcentric model, and not only because of the language, but also aesthetically, and now, on the second day after their conversion, behave with the usual aplomb, as if nothing had happened, ignoring those who who prepared the ground for 30 years so that they could see now, not even all of them remained alive, already at. Speaking in the profession of these people who prepared the ground, dont you think this, gal, is evidence of a deeper split, this is actually in society, yes, among your own, yes, because this all their own, yes, conditionally, their own, but which testifies to the fact that there is no communication between those who converted recently and those who were immersed in ukrainian culture for a long time, doesnt this indicate to you that this split is still, er, yes, this is a sign. Of a much deeper problem, to which we have actually now reached and about which the latest scandals and the latest discussions in the ukrainian environment testify, indeed people who have worked in the field of ukrainian culture for a very long time, before this project in fact there was a whole series projects that were excellently presented and worked with ukrainian literature of the renaissance or later. Times, in fact, none of these, none of these projects have had such a wide audience, such opportunities to reach a mass audience, as this project has received. Here you can analyze why this happened, but it did not happen by itself, this is a topic for a separate conversation, and lets say, when in this situation people receive an information resource, and begin to displace, at least from the field of ukrainian culture, those who worked there for a long time, through devaluation, by humiliation, is really the problem is that communication alone will not work, that is, you need to develop clear rules on how to deal with this, and the worst thing that upset me the most in this situation was actually the people who formed for this project. Very good advertising, that is, if in fact, this is, by the way, a very big, very big problem , a question, if you dont have the opportunity to watch such an important project in its entirety, and you only listen to it a little for about 5 minutes and conclude that it is actually very useful, highquality and generally brilliant project, then we condemn ourselves to the fact that in some time we will all be displaced. From this field, because we are dealing with much more aggressive cultural actants, with people who are used to working in a completely different segment, and i am speaking here. Not only as a person, as a teacher and as a person who is a writer myself, i i am speaking here as a person who was involved 20 years ago, defended a dissertation on the topic of mass culture, that is, i know how the mechanisms of this mass culture work, i know what they are for this, in fact, what are the requirements for it, and what i advise respectively in this situation, it is based on some, on some certain intellectual level, and therefore. When they try to simply throw me out of this process, it is natural that i interpret it as aggression in my direction, and aggression, unfortunately, is not directed at me personally, to the segment of culture that we represent, and, lets say, uh, here i would draw attention to the fact that people who worked for a long time in ukrainian culture, but who worked and intended to work with the mass culture they are sometimes fascinated by this new, lets say, very active trend, which appears, it seems to them that they can just step in there with one foot, and everything will happen at once, all the fireworks, and everything will open, at once, this, shot revival can suddenly be taken with any hands and make a comedy out of it, unfortunately , it is shot, that is, it is a very bloody material, and it is clear that we can throw out. All the bloody moments from it, but that does not make it a comedy, that is, for me, this moment is very important to realize what we have with a certain material work very carefully and we must be careful to that we uncritically accept and advertise to a much wider range of people, because it depends on it, control your words, as shakespeare said, because your future depends on it. In our Current Situation , in a war situation, our future depends very much on this, whether we will name the culprit in the war of the ukrainian peoples republic and soviet russia, whether we will say that it is a civil war, or whether we will consider that the waveman died because he was communist loyalists, and something went wrong here, shall we say that the waveman died, because this it had a price. For his approach and his illusions about communist ideology, and actually it surprises me, because the same material can be presented much better, it can be presented through the prism of even the same wave, through the prism of hasl, away from moscow, it can be presented through the prism of hasl, who existed in the literary discussion for 2528 years, you give europe, that is , these are the theses that would be much more. More relevant to us now, but in order to do it qualitatively, you need to be aware of this material, and not just read about it some short ones hoods at the level of general facebook. That is, in fact, im just sorry that so many efforts and talented people did not read what constitutes the essence of this project, the words on which or on which our future depends. Thank you. Its boring to talk about such things, about different moments, but in fact, behind any light material there is always what this material brings us and what it, shall we say, awakens in us, and here i would, apart from this joyful , the perception that it is genius, i would think about what will remain from it in the dry residue. Galyu, very much thank you, halyna kruk. E poet , literary critic, teacher of literature at the Lviv University franka was in touch with us, and i myself, the question of the split between new converts to ukrainianism and those who were already in ukrainianism, i will ask you if it is possible to communicate this in some way, how about this to be, because one way or another we all have to come to an understanding, but it is worth mentioning here that this is not the first. Wave of conversion to ukrainianism, yes, we had other waves before, both during the language maidan and during the orange revolution, during the euromaidan, or the revolution dignity, that is, and i also know that sashko khomenko, he says that he studied in a Russian School, i also studied in a russianlanguage school, in luhansk, i studied in a Russian School too, here i was in luhansk region, i grew up in society, where ukrainian. Was spoken only by pensioners when they retired, and my grandmother suddenly started speaking ukrainian, a local dialect, yes, which for some reason many people call surzhik, but it is not surzhik, there is a big difference. But i dont know if this justifies anyone or not, that is, many of us, even those who has been there in ukraine for a long time, came there deliberately and came, having changed the language from russian to ukrainian, there are a lot of them, we can count on the hands and feet of our modern writers of my generation and younger ones who did it, but you have to understand that when you come to a new , well. Some space for you, you need to understand what is here, what planets are there, what are the rules of the game here, what are the physical laws here, in the same way in literature you need to understand, in general, what was done here, and judging by their interviews, they do not understand what was done here, no they know foxtrots of zhiden and gorge, they dont know, well, they dont understand , they tell us to do it yourself, they dont know, lets show foxtrots, so foxtrots are a project of 2021, thats right, which was made as part of the exhibition in to the artistic arsenal of the photo novel, and this is the project of yuri gurzha, serhiy zhadan, lyuba yakemchuk , and it was all supervised by the beautiful oksana shchur, and actually this too, actually this is a musical, musical and literary project, where what, where the voices of writers sound, live voices. So where are there great great animated clips where there are great music and where there are great readings of poems, lets listen to an excerpt from foxtrots too, and this is also about mykhailo semenka, please drain the blood, take away all the prana, im pounding in my chest my embarrassing beethoven all night until the morning, take, take my breath , energy to use. And the new world , my body for destruction, the spirit of an unknown hello, today i was so bored, as if oles, voronyi and choprinka had gathered together, it felt rainy and fall like, in my soul the hairdresser was strumming the guitar all day. Sometimes i thought about her and did sketches of a letter that he didnt think had been sent to her, remembered a few forgotten french phrases, looked at the image of christ a couple of times, hummed banal waltzes silently, looking at the ceiling in a dirty cobweb. No, i was only sad, only sad, in my heart. Decomposing melon hello hello hello hello hello salam here , look people who focus on views will tell you that foxtrot views are 2010 thousand there, are you a romantic . Something like 250,00 views on youtube in a week, how do you explain that, what is your answer . Oh well this is a different segment of culture, first of all, secondly, such popular stars as zhenya yanovych participate there, who has his own Youtube Channel and some romances, i mean, who had podcast therapy with a sensational this sport. On saturday, as the one who legitimized it in principle with this participation, of course there is a desire, which is also in this project, here, but the main thing is that their product is a product of mass culture, that is, our product, its also tried to make it easier and more popular, and serhii did it i wanted to, here, but after all, its more like nothing like that, after all, its closer to. Culture, and well , the quality is completely different, and i think the musicians would tell you about the music, i heard a lot of feedback about these projects, but so oksana shchur, the curator of this project, says that focroty is a disco for a wide range of people who care, for you and me, for students, cultural figures, teachers and schoolchildren, but it has not become as wide as you and i would like, although i i remember, i was at the premiere and we all danced in the art class. Of course, and the people who are involved in pr, ah, here, and besides, after the fullscale invasion , the request for a shot revival, it increased, increased significantly, appeared in ukraine in this, a lot of new people appeared, who are now about it they will find out, he released this project very early, now there are, for example, the brand by me, which makes a line of clothes dedicated to the people of kurbas, the kurbas theater, that is, a lot of everything appears in such. In the broad sense of culture, and besides moreover, this is a very, very good time for such, and i when, when we criticize, yes, it its not that we want to close, but to say no, we wont let anyone into our ukrainianness, no new converts, no, we ve been waiting for you here for a very long time, we came here ourselves too, and it wasnt so easy, change the language, write in ukrainian language, and when you didnt understand anything at all, you also came. Open space , but a lot of our writers , including me, did it, so we were waiting for a new wave, we were waiting, after the 22nd we were also waiting, i understood that there would be this new wave, and i am very glad that now big changes in standup and in blogging, there the stars switch to ukrainian, and it hurts, yes, and they switch too, they are criticized, and it hurts again, you have to understand that we all have to. Traumatized ukrainian speakers who were persecuted for what they use the ukrainian language in schools, russian speakers are traumatized, because people who speak russian have done something bad to their relatives in the past, oksana zabushka voices this very clearly, people are transgenerational trauma, and they are now coming to the ukrainian language and they are afraid, they are afraid in the new space, as well as for people who learn a new language abroad, it is always not about. Dear, tell me, please, we talked with you about the positives, about the pluses, this project probably has pluses, and we see them with you, so you are romantic , what is it that you liked and i liked the crazy energy that they really have, their team the team has and if they rethink their approaches and really there think about whether they are not broadcasting russian narratives but think about how clearly arrange. What galya was talking about, accents, then they can succeed really a very cool product and ideologically safe, ecological, now this product may fascinate someone with its energy, but it is nonecological and is very, very dangerous for ukrainians, unfortunately. Dear, we are the last ones with my question, because there are 30 seconds left, you and i talked before the program about this, this, this, this. Exchange between new converts and old converts, so who was born in this, so here i am, who was born in this, but for me personally , the solution to this contradiction or tension would be for the new converts to say to me we understand your pain, we understand your language trauma from your childhood, we understand what you went through, for me it would be enough that for you it would be like, well. Like a solution, or at least a relaxation of this contradiction, and i i could also tell them that i understand their pain, i understand how difficult it is for them in response to this apology, about which you are not an apology, but this thesis, yes, if they voiced it, but because in fact we have common pain, and russia made it so that we ended up on different sides of the language, on different sides, but still in the ukrainian language, because. Even surzhik does not belong to the russian language, it is a ukrainian language, it is a phenomenon of the ukrainian language, and books are written in surzhik, that is, we, and this transition from language to language, return to the native language, the language that belonged to your relatives, your family, yes, the transition from your first language, your mother tongue, maybe yes, if your mother teaches you languages, to your native language, it is always painful, and i understand that, and we are here. We are waiting, i want to say, we have been waiting for you here, we are waiting for you and we are waiting for new ones projects, and we are also waiting for an understanding of what we want to say, what we see, we do it not to scare someone, to earn money , here are all these first attempts at once, no, of course, but we do it because we want , we criticize because we want to have proper quality, and. Primarily in the sense of ideology, because it spoils the next generation, we want to have a product of proper quality, we want to have quality literature, Quality Music and quality. Popper. Dear, thank you. Luba yakemchuk, halyna kruk, were guests of the program with their own names. Thanks for watching us. Remember that we are together. And we will win only if we are together. Thank you. Tired of heavy and bulky saws. Then strongs saw from. Unpack tv just for you. With it you can easily cut trees and bushes. It is so convenient to use it for carpentry. 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