The austrohungarian, so to speak military colonies, there is a slightly different topic, but you see, in fact, we did not change the text, but it sounds completely different now, and in , lets say, years after the victory, this text will already be the same, the text will sound differently, and before the war, he would also sound completely different, and thats exactly it, such a miracle of the classics, you say how to read ukrainian classics today, and how to read shakespeare, its already the fourth century, so they. They lay down something that is not literal, not presentday, they feel Something Like that, i think, to at the end, they themselves may not realize what scale they absolutely take, and therefore each, each period, these same words acquire a completely different meaning, and here it is interesting how much you feel these meanings, if you really feel it emotionally, a specific topic is already separated, about which you want to talk with the viewer. And so i think it doesnt matter here, ukrainian classics or foreign classics, they are classics, they are just important, here is another problem , the problem here is that it was not allowed to write on all topics before, and therefore, it may seem to some, in most the works are somewhat archaic, and on the same topics, you can say, even in the theater there is such a thing. A joke, er, so give me some role, ukrainian, from ukrainian classics, where i will love him, he will leave me , and i, jump, means drown, uh, because it, it, it, it, it happens, because there are so many topics, they are similar, but if you look closely, after all, the authors tried somehow, so to speak, these laws imposed by the russian empire, they tried somehow to convey something to the generation in subtexts, someone succeeded, someone, someone, someone it didnt work out, and actually, olga kobylanskyi, i think its everyones favorite piece now , despite the fact that when it was written, it sounds quite modern, strangely enough, although some, of course, some may think that there is some archaic, but didnt you want to put it . Archaic, here is the stage itself, everything happens in this one Chamber Space of this earth, people do not go beyond this square of their lives, of course they say, we cant go out, we dont have any, well, this is the idea of scenography here, its like they cant get off the ground anywhere, its not archaic , its a kind of archaic, because its in i , for example, i dont. I use this word from the point of view of something bad, for me everything, but i m not, im not about bad , i just think that it is very important to feel the author, because you can there is a lot to do, for example, transfer kobelyanskas novel completely into modern times, dress these guys in military uniforms, and change the language a bit, modernize it, add a little mat, and everything will be a documentary theater based on motives. In kolyansk, but why do it, she thinks very broadly, and here it is very important to preserve the author, in my opinion, because today, unfortunately, the tendency is the desire to remake classics and history, and here, here it is important how to do it modern, but not very , you know, surgical methods, something they cut the style, it still seems to me that you went in the other direction, even scenographically, scenographically exclusively, because this archaic, it, i say, it can be read as a work of biblical content even by scenography, but ukrainian peasants, at the time when she wrote about. You wrote about them, they didnt dress like that and didnt look like that, of course, they were much brighter, you see, and this is such a black and white picture, you can say, here here i i really wanted to make this story more and more together with the artist timeless, it is very important, and if you notice the color of the clothes, a certain texture of the clothes, it is very similar to something so earthly. So they are a part of the earth, they appear in the earth and actually go into the earth, and therefore their clothes, color, facial makeup, and where they constantly appear and where they disappear, this is exactly what we would like to convey , which is essentially a person, he is from the earth, and into the earth, as far as such a performance, which can be said to be staged. Well, in this way, you can say that in the style of a new drama, you are with it agree, disagree, how much in general, what do you invest in this concept, because well, we are the same, in fact, we all invest in this concept, when it breaks with the traditions of the academic theater as such, as far as they can be put in such a classic academic theater, where the actors and the director are all used to a certain rhythm of behavior, not metaphorically, oh, not metaphorically, the question, well , this is an interesting question, it is probably a question of methodology and approach, after all, modern theater, after all, it works with forms , well, lets not say abstract, metaphorical, probably well, but i think that the theater is somehow moving away from literally femininity, literally illustrating the plot, there is such a wonderful book by khan salem on postdramatic theater, where he completely cancels the concepts, plot, dependence on the text and so on in modern art, and so on further, i am not saying that it is so, we would strive for it, but still, actors and spectators have different experiences, they do not have to come, you know, to any regional theater you go to natalkapoltavka and you will be seem like youve already seen it somewhere, the same ones costumes, the same miseenscene, which means, well, certain actors stamps. I think that the literature is also wider, in fact, even the one we worked on is wider, it can easily be done in poland or in germany, and if it is presented with a more timeless, timeless view of these events, it can easily and there, to lie down, although, of course , historically things were somewhat different for them. This is, therefore, and this is a question of methodology, because i will not say that it was very easy for me and the actors to come to a certain, to move away from a certain, usual for them, method and approach, but they people are talented and it seems to me that the more we will still invite different directors, from other countries too. It would be interesting to see how a german would stage a forest song, for example, it is very interesting, well, considering what a german, and, this too, that, that, these are very different, although i once saw lesya ukrainkas kassandra, in england, already after a fullscale invasion, they decided, so to speak, to inquire. Lets talk in our literature, because they know the work, the drowned bell, its like that, ala, lesya ukrainka, a little bit of oversinging made it work, ah, they stage it regularly, and in lesya ukrainka, in my opinion , the story came out more widely, and when, but here we are talking about cassandra, and they were very surprised when they got acquainted with this work, i saw their version, as you said, it was very modern, but unfortunately, after all , they did not fully understand the context of this work, for them the primary issue of the war was, not about the causes of the war, about the fact that after all wrote, it seems that the ukrainian woman felt herself in this work, so they were a little visible to the performance itself, that they are a little outside the context of the work, etc. Writing the work, although i am sure that the director was interested in it, and the story turned out to be quite abstract, and i would not say that this is lesya ukrainka, but it was something very abstract, whether it was good, whether it was bad, i will not give an assessment, but it is useful, in any case, it is experience, it is communication , we still need in art to talk more with the world and engage in such creative communication, this is unfortunately very lacking, for many decades for many of our there were theaters, i would say such a guide was what was happening in moscow theaters, so absolutely and they simply copied, they were remakes. I wouldnt say that even the best, simplest performances of the leading moscow theaters, when these moscow theaters came, people just ran to see what the first source looked like, and i always believed that this does not allow our theater to develop, because we simply live in the value of someone elses view of the world, and the moscow theaters themselves, as you remember, began to develop only when invited lithuanian directors took a step forward, well, here it is relative, here it is a relative situation, because everyone. All modern lithuanian directing, it is still from gittis, the same famous karshunavas, who, god willing, will come to ukraine and implement the project, nyukroshus, famous, legend of the lithuanian theater, they all still studied at the hitis and it is a very interesting story that this generation is gradually disappearing in lithuania, they did not leave the school behind, and the lithuanians no longer. Will not go to the hitis, and i talked with the director of the National Theater in lithuania, he says that there are problems with young directors, there is no one, there is no one to graduate, and of course no one will go to moscow to study now, and actually the school there too, you know, is not the same now as it was before , those teachers who there were more, but, unfortunately, it turned out that ukrainian. It is completely dependent on culture, on the school, on the russian theater, and the worst thing is that those who taught at our university karpenkokari teach as if some very abstract stanislavsky, russian theater meter, i dont know who in the audience, and unfortunately, they do not understand at all what this system is about in general, because he especially did not leave behind his students, and here everyone already understands in his own way what he meant there, listen, but in the leading theater universities of the west they can teach to the system of mikhail chekhov, which is still different and from which there is a lot written about brechts system, it is also a different system, but there people have different schools, and here it is true, we have an imitation, an imitation of an interpretation of stanislavskys system by everyone who is its adept, so you are interesting. They said they dont have the item now systems in general, for example, i was recently invited to the film academy in the city of lodz, it is such a powerful world film academy, and they invited me to work for a month with their students, to make a diploma play for them, and i say to them, why did you suddenly decide to invite me , and they say that this is their practice, this is how they teach, they invite students to every performance from every corner, friends. A director with his own method, his own style, and thats why they dont have a certain basic, basic approach, they give practice, which in my opinion the most important thing is that you can study the system a lot, and also read and watch a lot, but still theater is practice, you have to try, you have to read works, you have to go on stage, you have to practice, practice, practice. And i think that stanislavsky did, in general, the appearance of this figure, in my opinion, is the worst thing that could happen to the theater, because the theater is a living organism, it is not a system, you cannot read a book, in soviet times everyone sat down and did notes, my teacher even taught me this way, on the first of september, he told us, well read two volumes, at the end of the month we will have a discussion, and we read. And he after a month well, tell me what you read, of course, lets quote. But its terrible, because i studied for 5 years and came to the theater, i realized that i dont understand anything , in general, how it all works, well, maybe it is, first of all, it could be, it could be a consequence of tightness, this, what they were talking about, there were no teachers left there, and why, because the teachers of the first pre revolutionary School Started teaching there, they passed on their own to their students, but in the end it ended a generation that was itself a generation of independent thinking, well, in the end , stanislavsky himself, who was mentioned, with his associate, was a person of independent thinking, and the people who created the theater at that time, kropivnytskyi there. Chimer, holt, whoever in that space were independent thinkers, eventually they ran out, it came down to the officials, in the west it wasnt like that, in the west you could see, eventually see when you walk around the stages of the avignon festival or the festival in edinburgh, and you are an actor or director, im not even talking about the audience, you see dozens of different practices, hundreds, dozens, and then it crystallizes in you how you can do things in your own way, and the range of your thinking. You live in kyiv and everything you see is the same, as a child i went only to the performances of the tbilisi and yerevan theaters that came to kyiv, because i was bored by the monotony of the kyiv and moscow theaters, the south caucasus had its own style, archaic, but your style of presentation of the play, then you are not brought up as an author, actually in europe after the Second World War it is very interesting. It began trend, choreographers, artists began to come to the theater there, and a number of different genres arose, such as performance, for example, and so on, which already closely entered the theater itself, and such a huge number of experiments took place that what kind of russian theater is there, with came from russia. To europe with performances, and for them it was already something prewar, you understand, and we, until 1991, and i will tell you, even now to some extent, are in that paradigm, and in we have a big problem, it seems to me, with the public, our public wants to perceive exactly such performances, when today i was very happy when i saw a soldout crowd at your premiere, but it s very strange, by the way. Because i watched everything in this theater and i thought that nothing but comedy is accepted here , but people probably want some other forms, but people ho, well, i will tell you that in general, the lviv theater of zenkovetska 30 years ago, it was simply something incredible, danchenko already worked here, and stupka started here, and here a number of simply brilliant artists came out here, viktyuk, he was also from lviv and was here superpower theater in lviv. Directors were invited, i looked at the archives of the theater, directors from europe were even invited, and of course this audience is now there, it remembers those performances, and of course it yearns for these performances, lets talk more intellectual, not of the entertainment genre, and this audience, i am very happy when young people come to earth, and i look at their eyes, for one thing, young people can come, they can be driven away, by schools, and i look, thats enough, such interesting young people who come by themselves in pairs, i see their eyes, after performances, this, well, this is probably not the most important thing is this reaction, but this is a pure technique, when you can say that with this performance you are trying to plunge a person into some kind of depression, its not even depression, well, its just you, you re drowning the audience, you know that . He is psychologically drowning and then he needs to emerge from this, i would say, psychological field, in which he is dragged by all this, all this atmosphere, eh, well, i will say this, i do not do it on purpose, i cannot set a certain internal program for myself , what should i do with the viewer, then this is some such, not very sincere miscalculation, it turns out, i am reading the work and i have certain feelings, and i try to convey these feelings to the actor , and to be honest, i dont know until the end what will come out, but until the end i dont know what will come out, how it will turn out or not turn out and so on, eh , and with regard to feelings in general, as you say, im drowning , sometimes im just, its not that im sorry, and im blaming someone, but everyone usually lives their own life, but sometimes im surprised. You know, well, lets talk about the frivolity of society , especially at this time, this is central europe, here society has always tried to be like this, thats why it goes to comedies, but, well, well, well, thats not the only reason, why yes, thats not the only reason, after all, after all , the russian empire did a lot of bad things, bringing here some such and such a vacuum perception and by the way, this topic is also in kobylyanska. A person, a person somehow closes himself in the vacuum of his house, his own piece of land, and what is happening in general in the country is not very good, there is even a phrase there, i will not quote it for sure, this phrase is not literal, but it is about , which , for the younger generation, is the concept of land wider this is not the patch on which they work from morning to night, but, for parents, it is this patch of land that they cultivate, sow, reap the fruits of, and there they are, they want to be buried like this next to their parents and that here, this is a different attitude, now young people still look at things more broadly, but, but this frivolity in general, somehow, i want. To speak so rudely, but maybe there is infantilism somewhere, in general, to the events that we are all going through, this is not only relevant in western ukraine, it is also in central ukraine, it it may be one thing when a person in a state of shock simply blocks any information, and this can be understood, but another thing when absolutely. The world is moving somewhere, something is happening in it, certain existential changes are taking place, the country wants to make a leap somewhere, and people seem to be not, not completely closed from this, and therefore, as you say, this is throwing the viewer, this is a certain immersion, it is in a certain , its not on purpose, but i think that intuitively somewhere, the reasons for this are here, how satisfied are you with this premiere . And somehow i dont remember that i was generally satisfied with the premiere, its what you wanted to see, its hard to say here , because first of all, since this is my first performance in a theater in general, in lviv in general, i dont know these people with whom i worked at all , well, i didnt know until the first rehearsal. But it turned out to be just wonderful actors, wonderful people, but because i dont understand at all who im working with, i dont know how to reach these people, because im not one of those directors who force me to do something, so so i didnt know what was going to happen, and in a way i really did i am pleased that such a team turned out, very warm work, and the most important thing is that they are satisfied, and on the other hand, of course , you set some standards for yourself, so to speak, you want to strive for something in this field that you chose, and of course you cant always be satisfied with the result, you always think, the next one will be better, anyway , everyone sets these goals for themselves, well, its better not in the sense of showing off, its better in the sense that. art is not easy to achieve substance and want to feel more of it, understand, i wish you the best for you then, premieres, congratulations on the premiere stage of the lviv National Theater named after maria zankovetska, our guest was the ukrainian theater director david petrosyan, we discussed what is happening in ukrainian art and discussed those performances, which you can see. 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