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Well, once again, we will discuss all this with our guests who today we have invited to a conversation this is ihor pavlyuk, laureate of the allukrainian dmytro kremen award, and taras kremen, commissioner for the protection of the state language, ihor mr. Taras. Greetings. Good afternoon. We will begin. Well, we will today to talk about the allukrainian award named after the laureate of the shevchenko prize of ukraine, the outstanding poet and public figure dmytro kreven well, in general, we will talk about ukrainian literature during the war, its state, the state of the Book Publishing industry, and why it is so important in principle to support literature , to read the literature of what literature does ukrainian need today a society that in times of war needs many things and literature in particular well and in general literature as propaganda to what extent it should be financed by the state why again is literature important as propaganda literature is possible as well as counterpropaganda why is it important to tell you, lets start with you please tell me in your assessment according to your observations how much is published in ukraine today the publishing industry, because literature without Book Publishing is impossible to write you can put a lot on the table and you can even think about reading and capturing it with us, but it must be published as audio files as book files as mobile files as digital files in any case literature must to reach the reader, therefore, without a book from the publishing industry, literature today is impossible, therefore, according to your estimates, according to your observations, to what extent during the war, here are these one and a half years of war, the Book Publishing industry lives in us, what are the possibilities, what are the resources to reach the reader, that is, what do we have today in this field, please, thank you, mr. Vasyl , greetings, mr. Igor, if we are talking about the book publication , then of course it is an element of one of the structures of the modern ukrainian economy, if we are talking about the question of the culture of spirituality of the state language. This is a matter of National Security and our spiritual ecology, so i would like to start with this, because at the beginning of the war in the 14th year, ukrainian culture had different waves of support , of course there were state programs, new institutions were created, for example, the Ukrainian Cultural fund, the Ukrainian Institute of books indeed , a huge number of ukrainian authors have appeared on the shelves of many ukrainian bookstores in translations in various genres, points have of course been updated and the content of literary awards is very good that they helped to please a sufficient number of ukrainian poets, literary critics , specialists in the native language abroad, and i am happy that the Committee Also demonstrated a high level of work and struggle. At first, a fullscale invasion, the challenges concerned all spheres without exception. The vast majority of ukrainian citizens , having switched to the ukrainian language, naturally also require access to a ukrainian book electronic format is this live communication, lets take a closer look at how many writers went to the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine, what an incredible cohort of ukrainian writers turned out to be the winners of Prestigious International competitions that we obviously did not dream of before, lets take a look at the real first winner of the Nobel Peace Prize , oleksandr matviychuk, a talented publicist and her work at the human rights field deserves the highest praise and events, that is why we talk about these things all the time when we say that during the war, culture is extremely important and it is not enough to change the hammer and sickle for a trident, here we need to talk about meaningful things, about real funding, support for creatively gifted people, the possibility of access to information resistance and the presence of people like ihor pavlyuk at the tv marathon of the espresso tv channel this is one of the results and supports of modern ukrainian the culture of support for modern ukrainian authors, about whom they know new books that they are waiting for, and this is really a great manifestation of support and help. Today we are actually talking about what ukrainian culture it has a huge reserve of its energy, but it cannot be infinite without proper stimulation and provision of its activity , that is why i am watching with great interest what is happening today at the level of development of ukrainian culture and spirituality. It is very good that in the near future , god willing, the shevchenko prize will be awarded. It is good that these days we will meet with the winner of the dmytro kremen award, igor pavlyuk, and therefore, step by step, we are reaching the level we need, but without state support without National Demand for culture without a real fight against the sending of russian and belarusian propaganda against a real fight against russian books which , unfortunately, continue to be copied and spread in ukraine in a pirated way. We will join the conversation with the representative of modern ukrainian literature, ihor pavlyuk, who became a laureate of the allukrainian dmytro kremen award, mr. Igor, i congratulate you once again, and i am the first than we will move on to the prize and to the work for which you were awarded. I would like to ask you about how do you write, what is written about during the war, because you know i have colleagues who are writers, some work very actively , some do not write at all, what does this have to do with not only prose writers, this applies to those people who write, lets say, texts for songs, they say, well, now, during the war, there is no writing, there is no inspiration, there are some other current problems, and so that directly er, directly er, muse the muse was working in the soul and it was coming to the fore there is no such thing, thats why there are such two moments, the days are working and others say that there is no inspiration, something is stuck, yes, well, i think, but you heard me, do you hear me or not, mr. Igor . Yes, it s just me thats stuck, or do you also have something a little bit, the main thing is to so, igor, what is being written about, what is being written about now, what is the most important thing, and how do you see your role as a writer during the war, why is literature, poetry, prose important, well, to a lesser extent , perhaps, now we are talking about journalism , namely poetry, prose under what kind of war is it . Should be please yes , thank you once again for the congratulations on the award. I have been living in the context of congratulations for three days now, its nice, but im already at the age when its appropriate to take more responsibility and youre already transforming the pleasantness, so to speak, into words here i am writing all the time for 18 years when i was studying at a military school in st. Petersburg and a poet exploded in me, since then i write all the time and my inner world is obviously used as stronger than the outer world and therefore of an apocalyptic level. And we are probably somewhere close to such a level now we are experiencing disasters, not only ukraine, but also the whole world, wise people understand it all, thank god that my inner world, which began with my grandmothers prayer, difficult times, turning points, i returned to that prayer about 10 years ago that i thought , well, thats how my grandmother prays that she there you know its called i have already defended my doctoral dissertation and i know a lot, but knowledge is a lot of knowledge a lot of sadness, as you know, and without this grandmothers prayer, i obviously wouldnt be communicating here now and without knowing i would have lived to receive such a good award, heres such a genius a sprinkling of this word, because i am writing a report, uh, that i have, it turned out that on august 21, you are the village of sukha in the homeland of dmytro kremenya. So, i am right now in the context of dmytro kremenya. So, i, too, how can i say it . I wanted to say that it is difficult to get out of it, but and you dont need to leave it because this is a very good field of poetry close to me, well, this is a separate conversation about it, i can actually talk a lot, but if about myself, that is, a person very close to me whom i call the son of our family , the Lieutenant Colonel of the armed forces the forces of ukraine are you can you understand people who have a real warrior in their family can understand how stressful it is every day when you dont receive a text message in the morning and what thoughts are swarming in you and all your loved ones, heres my grandson right now in my arms because thats why what actually is left of my grandfather . Here i tried. By the way, they didnt take me to go to war. In fact, this Lieutenant Colonel of ours, a family member, laughed a little and said to the good igor, im going to spend the night, because hes an ordinary soldier among you. I wouldnt take such a person. I. E. You dont need to peel potatoes anymore if you had at least some major eh, that would be fine they would find you a job and i left again, i was a little indignant there, who was also a Lieutenant Colonel in this center, he says yes, my daughter teaches your poems, i know you , we are fools here, you dont have children, do your work, and thats why i resigned myself to be honest, well i didnt resign, you understand, but i really looked at things wisely at the age of 56 and i think that this is my mamai. And mamais dance is our spiritual warrior. Well, at the age of 56, i will spiritually keep those. And by the way, we need to keep those people who are not now believers who are either depressed or in aggression, a lot of my colleagues are either in deep depression or aggression, and actually adequate, as i say, people who spiritually keep themselves to a minimum , because as there is only well, when a person is not feeling well, he sows such a spiritual contagion, lets say infects others with negativity, and when you are spiritually balanced when prayer is always with you and you are spiritually strong, and literature is a part of the spiritual process, not the main thing, the main thing is prayer, but if literature goes to prayer, it calls to prayer, it becomes a prayer itself, and the real one is poetry. There is a sense the existence and becoming of cooperation with the universe well, some people call it the creator, some god , some the universe, some the matrix , what can someone call themselves . The society that actually supported me for this award, which is again responsible and i already have it. Today, i already had the idea that i would give it to the armed forces, i thought only that way. Well, because everyone has many different needs but i think that this well, its responsible for myself. Ive already decided that ill give this award , well , besides, its called pouring a regular glass to friends. To the writers society, in fact, yes, uh, well, thats how i decided what i want to say, well, at such a time, youve already answered my question, you wont write a novel, although i m working on it right now with a lot of flies. Yes, well, like me they ask how you think it is, i say, how was it with my grandfather, and horses and cows, there were owners, and a garden and a house and everything and there is that and i have nothing else, no hobbies, i have nothing, everything is literature and hobbies literature and work literature ere and that there is also a passion for letters, everything is literature, thats why i say i dont work, im constantly creating, i uh well, because i love literature and Everything Else for me great , what forms do you think are the most relevant now during the war for the consequences of this song more song in the trench, especially if we divide now the poets who are sitting like me uh, lets call it conventionally the old people, like in which of which whose sons are fighting or there are daughters there. By the way, the most painful thing is when they take 20yearold girls to bury here in lviv, its for me, well, i cant calm myself down with any prayer, so to speak, its some kind of coup of my inner world, but what is meant is that there are guys who are fighting for real , but now there is such a pavlo vysybaba, he writes poems and songs somewhere, he became so wellknown, you can argue about how durable this poetry is, and so on , but there are no such phenomena, is there Boris Humenyuk and are there uhuh from my generation serhiy pantyuk who fights uhuh, that is, they are in uniform, they uhuh , they fight for real thats how the guys are but theres a novel or a drama or uh, even a poem in the trenches if youre really fighting you wont write in the best case, i say you will write a poem and the best form of a poem is a song, which became a song, like when ivan franko used to say , i would have all my poems. With the term ee in the amount of writing, he would say i would give my poems to everyone for one would become a folk song, yes, after a while, literature is like a grain, you understand. If you have a grain in the palm of your hand , we still cannot say whether it will produce an ear at all or whether it will die. So on. That is, she needs to die and tesla. Now i am writing about dmytro kremen, but it is clear that it has already happened, that is, he also physically. Well , unfortunately, he left early and and and and and for his son. Which somewhere somewhere is pushing at least im sure that dmytro kremin, if he was lonely, he would have sprouted a spike, so it takes time, the process, you understand. We cant say that now, as you said. Its fashionable. What was poor demyans campaigning like in the 20s, you understand. And what a strong lyric, which, as a rule, can be suppressed and we may in 50 years be named in the literature not those that are now heard how do you know the laws or it will sprout a spike or it will die or like the egyptian pyramid maybe in 3000 years someone will find them and it will be reproductive by the way you know it became fashionable as happened even in there were soviet times, i remember reading about many writers who in soviet times were simply published in millions of copies , there were laureates of all possible awards, now no one knows about their names , thats why it was eric maria, a remart, a remarque , the award was not given, well, because of the pressure, germany on the other hand parties said that his work was not good enough and not of sufficient level to receive the nobel prize, well, it was about his first work on the western front without changes well, but you see, it remained in literature p taras, we will have a break there in four minutes. But i will have time to ask you, you know, yesterday i was very sadly impressed by the story of how the book by boris akunin, who is considered such a russian liberal, is now being popularized and even sold on the ukrainian market, well, at least in online format. He is a georgian by nationality and napoleon is a georgian, his history of the russian state has new works published there. I wont tell you exactly what it is called now, but it is also related to the history of the russian kingdom, the most interesting thing is that what he writes is very interesting, in fact, how a man as a writer, but he pulls this story from the kiev princes. That is, it is already a narrative that many people will read now because this book will be popular. They will buy it. Well, they will have such an idea that somewhere from the kiev princes , the moscow kingdom appeared and so on and so on and so on this is the leading russia russia even in the hands of liberals and the work of liberals remains as a Propaganda Machine to print stamp and popularize its literature please tell me to limit russian literature in ukraine as far as it is possible and to the extent that it continues to be poisonous for many ukrainians today, ukrainians dont read like that, of course. Maybe if they didnt read the most in the world, but in any case they read in ukrainian, please know the paradox in itself when a georgian is an ethnic georgian , knowing about 15 years of occupation of his state rewrites the history of the great russian state like karamzem cannot arouse any interest in me and it is unlikely that i will look for this book as well as all his other books written under the influence of totalitarian ideology and in the context of the occupation of intellectual cultural life, therefore, i would like to say a little about other things, in fact , literature in the conditions of the war has been renewed and in terms of content, including today it was mentioned about those writers who took up arms and, in addition to Everything Else, we do not forget and those writers who suffered and who did not become these days are remembered by viktoria melnyk, who died as a result of rocket attacks in the city of kramatorsk, actually victoria as a talented poet as a talented publicist and the human rights activist did a great deal so that the whole world learned about ukraine, about the war in ukraine, about the consequences and tragedies, on the example of every soul of every family, she really entered the world annals of literature , and here you dont need any recognition, you dont need any laurel wreaths, precisely because of her sacrifice and her she made almost the biggest contribution to the approach of the ukrainian victory. Well , he is a skunk, so who was written about by Volodymyr Vakulenko . Yes, of course, and precisely thanks to victoria Volodymyr Vakulenko, as well entered the newest ukrainian literature and certainly from all of us for how far will these texts be accessible to the ukrainian reader, how far are childrens works or works for children volodymyr were they familiar with, and will be considered in the context of updating the content of the school curriculum, you know , at the beginning of the fullscale invasion that began in our country there is a real struggle for ukrainian literature in the School Course ukrainian literature and for Foreign Literature in the School Course Foreign Literature if the course is Foreign Literature 40 is at least there were russian authors whom it is inconvenient not necessary to read today. And perhaps it is even threatening if we talk about the crimes of the punishment of the same dostoevsky, on the other hand, we do not forget about how much literature that carried us the remnants of the communist logical past, all that remains in the lists of those texts that are mandatory to study and recommended for reading, therefore this work that began is also about updating the content of ukrainian literature about reviewing those authors that today are necessary to reading well, of course, thanks to such prizes and thanks to the sacrifice and the huge contribution of ukrainian literature in the approach of victory. In the program, we will not meet in journalism or novels of oleksandr zimi, we will meet the works of vasyl porttyak, the same one who was nominated for the shevchenko prize, but the intrigue inside the highest literary awards have reached an unnecessary and, in my opinion, quite humiliated the apogee, but at the same time, the shevchenko prize is actually a list of those authors who should be studied, i want to believe that other things will be reviewed in the same way, lets not forget about the fact that , lets say, a new reading of the ukrainian history of ukraine this is also among the tasks because history is truly written by the victors and the mountain will be conquered. Therefore, ukraine must know what kind of history it is writing because it is written not only on the battlefields for the armed forces of ukraine in a huge the struggle of opposition reaches every meter and every settlement, but it is necessary to talk about it from the point of view of science. Among such researchers as timati snyder , lets say serhii poor, there is a huge number of other professional historians, linguists, linguists , geopoliticians, whose views and positions are quite well heard in the west and very it is important that they are heard here in ukraine, because after all, it is work based on moods, it is work in the information field, this is the subject and task of education, after all, the future soldiers of ukraine are born for at school desks and during prayer in the church, therefore, he shares mr. Igors position that grandmas prayer helps, but prayer for victory and orders for success are also very important to us. Thats why dance is a question of existence, its a question of our spiritual culture, its a tradition that has gone down since ancient times and in fact, this can be the subject of our next discussions and important discussions, because ukrainian literature is much more than just a School Library it is our spiritual world, it is our spiritual weapon, it is our strength and our steel, we will return to the conversation literally in a few minutes p igor the panther remains with us we will now take a short break and then continued our discussion there are discounts on exik 20 in pharmacies travelogue for you and savings and what do you think about lakalutfix reliably fixed for me
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