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Talking about the possibility of sending nato military continues to ukraine. Me a dynamic times. Nothing should be ruled out. Law, we remember the fates the fate of those one sent their troops to the 10 or 3 of our country. We will do everything to insure the bush that cannot win. This will jump the thing to the west is coming up with now. What they threaten the world with it can result in a conflict with the use of Nuclear Weapons. Also on the day lawmakers in hong kong, prepared to pass a controversial security law with hundreds of dissenters, jails and critical media silenced its opponents know they are fighting a losing battle for the whole power. Scariest thing is that all of hong kong is gripped by fear. The people used to criticize csr, receive them public. Hey, you guys know fuse because even if they are dissatisfied we begin the day with a warning of nuclear war. Russian president Vladimir Putin says nato risks, a Nuclear Confrontation if its members and fruits to ukraine, and made the comments during his annual state of the nation address. The stuff went up there talking about the possibility of sending natal military contingents to ukraine. No little new. We remember the fate, the fate of those one sent the troops to the territory of our country can jump from the 2 to 3, and thats just that on the on the doors are used to, they should understand. So then we also have weapons that can hit targets on their territory, but as a city like everything the west is coming up with now to see what they threaten the world with pity, do more with to show it can result in a conflict with the use of Nuclear Weapons, to me is still serious. And therefore at the end, the destruction of civilization. So is boards and even get you to know how to show as much of Felicia Zhang and civil is. Thats what it is. Warning came after france as president and mind, while my client earlier refused to rule out the possibility of western nations sending troops to ukraine at a press conference in paris. Earlier this week he said there was no consensus today to send the Ground Troops in unofficial endorsed and sanctioned a manner. But in dynamic terms, nothing should be ruled out. We will do whatever it takes to ensure that russia cannot win this war. And that idea was quickly shot down by other western leaders, including german chancellor, olaf schultz. But it clearly ruffled feathers in moscow. Colins leader says, hootons threat of a nuclear war should be taken seriously. Here as a Prime Minister donald task, lets just go to about the soul has to be taken deadly seriously. I dont smoke up of those. Just done once again. I repeat what ive been saying and discussing with partners in recent weeks here in warsaw sophia, im a she is, it was who mitch here must understand that this new arms race that rush or is imposing on the world. Economic thought off yesterday. Brand russian. The question, a great ukraine must, will cause an awakening, but in old european capitals to speak, studies that have a base case. And we should say that put in was speaking 2 weeks before russia holds president ial elections. If you want to call them that much of his speech, to touch on domestic issues as well, ranging from tax and pensions to the health system. And he made no mention of his greatest challenger. Alexei, nevada, me who is going to be buried on friday with a little to no opposition standing in his way pollution is expected to sweep to another election victory. Or we can get more now from it. Jade mclinn. Shes an expert on russian politics and Foreign Policy with the department of worst studies at Kings College london. And she joins me tonight from cuba. Her latest book is memory makers, the politics of the past, and pretends russia. It examines how the kremlin uses miss and memory, and legitimizing repression at home and imperialism abroad. State. Im so glad you could join us. Id like to start off with fulton invoking the possibility of nuclear conflict. This is of course, not a new threat from bruton but, but we did hear donald tusk. Theyre saying that they should be taken deadly seriously. Im curious. What do you think . I think this cause we have to take any nuclear for it. Definitely. Seriously. It would be foolish not to i think we have to take the Nuclear French on all sides. Seriously. Theyre including what happens if you allow new, clear, black cleaning to a ton, a sensible security policy, because its only going to lead to nuclear proliferation. Theyre already strong room is about poland, considering you know, developing Nuclear Weapons in the case of a trump presidency. For now they may be rumors, but lets be honest. It would be an entirely logical step if the American Nuclear umbrella where perhaps to fade away from europe. And i think that the logistics comments are on the need for a serious awakening in european capitals is the message that perhaps needs to be screamed across the loudspeaker. So in many got to that, i dont know earlier in a parent response to my cons, comments from that refused to roll out troops in ukraine. A russian lawmaker and member of who is in our circle, referred to napoleon, is invasion of 1812 saying that if the french did send troops now, they would meet the same fate. You written about miss and memory and russia and, and im curious if you could tell us why we see history being such a useful Political Tool for pretend as me. This was because of course, as the dictates and hes unable to rely on popular legitimacy received free debate. So history is another way of obtaining legitimacy. And this is actually quite a typical way of rushing me disclaiming legitimacy. Going back to the romanovs who justified that often the time of trouble is by saying that they were linked. There were a cabbage students, the which looks by the kids in groups. They team 12 restaurant is especially interesting because thats the 1st grade teacher to call the 2nd grade teacher, or of course being what we would call low point 2. And its also interesting because he clearly states, we know what happens to foreign invaders who come to our country, but of course, hes talking about nato so which is in the country. If you crane, which is very much, no rush, its got no russian territory. So its also an interesting insight into his ideological view, which brings me back to the question, which is, why is history so important as a tool is much more than a tool that space, a contributing and complicating factor behind pretends well on your kind brushes, war and ukraine, im present or impossible obsession with ukraine, which is the importance of ukraine to russian restoring. Its apparently in his view dissolved position in mclean, florida. Im curious, i put in as comments they are backed by some recent russian successes on the battlefield in ukraine. How much do you think that is helping him politically at the moment . Slow and i think it of course encourages him as well. I mean, lots of people listening to todays address. So is the very, very didnt to view, but i cant help but think having just got back from dumbass and having being very near the front. But actually we also have a very versed in to view of whats happening here. Ukraine is running out of men. Ukraine is running outside munitions. Nobody really knows if the a package in washington will cost. And if it doesnt, its going to leave russian a very strong position, sir. Yeah, some of his comments where he was confident the point of hubristic, but whether or not he is not justified in and having these positions that remains to be seen on various id say 35 at elections are also coming up in russia in less than 2 weeks, im curious when you look at how bruton is presenting himself ahead of these, how important the war and ukraine is for him versus the Domestic Social issues. For example. Well, whats very interesting is at home in terms of the election campaigning, the focus is very much of what we recuperative about the issues. And this is the less than that they learn from the original elections that took place last year. Because 1st of all, they went very hard in terms of the messaging on, oh, read it will, harrys, and this both special miniature operation here is of course, and even it references the heroism and the warranty cream. And it really was not resonating with states as people were not responding to people want to talk about, you know, issues such as inflation, food prices and so on. And so then the messaging changed to be more aligned to that. And there is much more of a domestic coast, which is interesting because in general, russian news is normally characterized by its intense increase on whats happening elsewhere in the world. And why everywhere else in the world is rubbish. That doesnt really matter. Refresher is rubbish as well. Mm hm. And we also have solved fruit and in his speech, speaking at some length about the declining population in russia. Why do you think this is such an important topic to him . This i think is part of that road ideological elements. So the idea of russia is a country, the traditional values, the kinds about family, because the authenticity on like, you know, the last, the liberal west. I find it hard to believe that he does truly care about russian democracy though, because if he did as a very easy way to fix it, which would be to stop sending tens of thousands of men to the store to say that perhaps they could stay herment and make babies instead of that money thats being spent on the wall machinery and on killing no maam. Like to learn ukrainians. Could instead be invested into making conditions easier to the young comedies. So i have to see it as an ideological element because it doesnt appear that you do have increases, for example, in the tennessee payments, for example, it doesnt, it doesnt really tell the unit warm away seems to wind. Well, thank you so much for joining us with your insight that has j mcglenn from Kings College london. We really appreciate your time. Thank you. Lets turn to hong kong where legislators are preparing to pass a controversial security law has been criticized for its effect on human rights. The laws alone been demanded by china, Central Government in beijing, which has increasingly asserted its authority on the island of hong kong. In recent years, mazda of street protests in earlier years stopped the government from implementing the law known as article 23 for provision in hong kong constitution. But with many opposition activists in jail or an exile is expected to pass through parliament easily. Lets take a look at exactly what article 23 entails. So the new law would be part of hong kong as many constitution, which is separate from that if the chinese mainland, article 23. 00 requires hong kong to suppress, to send and threats to the government. The new law contains broad provisions against treason, insurrection, espionage, and destructive activities endangering National Security and external interference. Human rights advocates say it dramatically undermines due process and fair trial rights. The moment that changed everything, july 1st, 1997 when britain handed over hong kong to china, which promised to respect the principle of one country to systems. That meant that hong kong ers could enjoy many of the democratic freedoms theyd had under british rule. Under hong kong its own mini constitution but in 2003 basing tried to introduce security laws under article 23. 00 of that many constitution. Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in protest, and the proposal was withdrawn in 2014 if Civil Disobedience Movement arose, pushing for more democratic government organizers, fear that the police might crack down and everyone has to stay. Highly alert, riley has been peaceful, but now to your guys and plus the bullets have been transferred to the government headquarters. Soon after the police forcefully cleared protest camps and the government did not relent. Setting the stage for future classes with democracy activists. 5 years later, another series of widespread protests sparked by a proposal to extradite criminal suspects. The Mainland China was met with a harsh police response. No one is upgrade. More and more angry. You never know what the government will put on there. And im just worried about the cold rather than answering the protesters, demands the following year, beijing impose the new National Security law. The defined many Anti Government efforts as the session and subversion of assigned live sentences from many of those so called crimes. That was it for many of hong kong. As pro democracy activists, dozens of opposition leaders were arrested, along with journalists and ordinary citizens. Others went into exile. Independent media was silenced, a phasing signal that it had fully taken over in 2022. When jesus in paying arrived in hong kong to swear, and john lee as the territories chief executive or the ceremony happened on july 1st 25 years to the day after the british. Hanover typically has said that the new security legislation is a priority. And with the opposition vanquished, hes likely to get his wish. Id like to bring in a sunny tongue, a pro democracy activist who has left hong kong to seek asylum in the united states. He joins me now from washington. D. C. Thank you so much for taking the time. I understand that one of the concerns over the new security law is that some of the crimes, particularly in relation to state secrets are vague. Are you worried about how these might be enforced . Yes, i personally, im fairly worried about the definition of that just because much frustration and half the way he will be insult. Because the legislation propose a top 10 drop and face, as i mentioned, most National Security from china, needles being brook creating challenges for uncommon law system and reasons. Im also concerned about the evolution of Legal Certainty and judy. So you dependent on post, ill send you says like espionage stay secret, as mentioned and be personally defined. Increasing. Im also produces football and businesses and intensifying control over you formation 50 implication for Due Diligence and freedom of expression. In addition to concerns for businesses operating there are there already indications of, of how this law might be applied. Something like the law, the law about espionage of what that could mean. For example, for activists in hong kong. Right. So under the current proposal i skim last you could also like up to ne, collecting information to uh, so for any people that are useful to add external thoughts. And that is fair. We allow me because the one challenge to what, when you pass these back, they often combust these kind of life. Im Due Diligence for their operation hall. So when, as well, and weve dealt with cim, casita, got you all painting information that can be useful for external falls. And also like we feel some social situation and you called on the situation in the china and hong kong. And you can actually pass the code and you can use in cases and models. We see that actually china scuffling has weighed many fall on, on a piece in the city offices. Thats creation i most of the uncertainty and concern. Im a bit upset to and so compared to it, so when you left at hong kong a few years back, you know what, what is the, what is the atmosphere like theyre at today under, under the possibility of this taking effect . I believe im the one strive in Civil Society in hong kong, west hallway, they dont call due to the press down and the article tried to flee. And the previous mention was that people, especially in the feeder. Oh actually and thats all im so so so, so successful groups like medias on so being dismantled due to depression and only a handful of poll task can be organized, you know, home home under the scrutiny of the police force. So this the freedom of expression and of freedom of us, thatd be most actually protected in home right now. And thats actually pretty mellow. So im more concerned to how to help them. Government can implement this small uh without checking boxes. So its usually theres been only a handful of protests. Is that, is that because you think there is less opposition to this law in hong kong because it has been more muted. And what we have seen in years previously, or is best assign of the times certainly manufactured by a now actually the person behind the ball and personally, im not also getting mixed up. So the whole, the whole opposition home home on the being like cops and also the i, you know, you can present or you mix all. So i would say when the opposition is not even played easy at home home. So we cannot expect the home phone got them and still hold themselves accountable when it comes to implementing this kind of call and that sort of stuff. You know, especially a piece the actual on chinese house kind of stuff and then just understand the measurements of it. So if youre speaking to an International Audience here, so just before i let you go, id like to ask, what do you think western democracies and asian democracies like japan and south korea can do here . Do they have any sway . I mean, i think there are like 2 layers of things, right . So of course, i mean try to, im whole just trying to discuss them and then all government accountable for their all foundation of the one country through the system. And im resting so many a political present us right on. On the other hand, i will say ations, democracy, electric pad, stop, career or even stuff, east asian countries. You have to concede to actually, you have to do. We support china. Different on the very unstable Economic Situation and how trying to scan them in is increasingly adopting a put them back to National Security understanding uh domestically. So i think this is a very strong signal for them to try to buy for a supply supply chain. A business involvement in order to minimize the weight with im doing businesses with china. Democracy activists, sunny chung, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us. Thank you. The now gone as a new anti eligibilities to plus legislation has drawn International Condemnation with united nations, calling it profoundly disturbing under the new law, the promotion, even the promotion of rights will be punished with up to 5 years in prison. Same sex relations are already illegal. In gonna, activists of described as new well as a nother set back for human rights. As someone who knows about the difficulties of life and gone are for queer people is musician and activists. Maxine inc, angel poco also just known as angel. Maxine, she is gone, his 1st open we transgender musician and she thinks about l g b t q plus rights. The very pleased to welcome her into the studio here for more. Thank you so much for joining us. You know, how did you feel when you heard the results that the parliament had passed . This legislation . I sailed investigated ellis had broken. I havent slipped. Its, its, its, its painful to know thats your life as a human being is being criminalized the life youve always struggled for the life youve always struggled to leave you having to leave a decent life as any other human being. Its now being criminalized. It wasnt very hard for me, and this is one of the topics that you, you think about in your music. I, its become increasingly political over the years, much of it voicing anger at the government and gonna keep, could you tell us a little bit more about your work and the risk and it puts you out at to make music like this. So my wife awesome. After this is to speak for people who cannot speak, and i am the voice of the call me if you llc each because i do my songs and those people have gone to understand the struggles that the community are going through. And my lyrics and the folks on my live experiences as a trust woman, i havent given you have given you trouble. I havent made you a target and gone out for the government. Yes. That as meeting me, its like its always coming out to call them the option is always coming all to up to it. Im not talking them, but im just telling them that we exist. And we have been here and we have lived with you dont present. I said we were in the we a here and this a cell on voice, and it has puts me in the lot of the danger and gun. Now, this bill not only criminalizes queer relationships, but it also targets those who are even just supporting l g b t t writes. What do you expect that we might see in gonna if this bill is indeed signed by the president . If the bill is signed by the president , theyll be increase in valez in gun. And a lot of people will be that this already volume is going on in gun already. People are being attacked every day. People ive been beaten every day, the slow months going on every day in gonna and is going to give people the freedom and deliberately, to talk with people because they feel about this free. Its, its, its, it is legal and its ok to abuse. Anybody who wants to because the 3 of us and all the rights have been taken from them. And this is what the deal is see. And you think that will happen to just be because it is legal that people will feel that they want to go out and attack clear people. Are you worried about that is not even legal in gonna and people have already already setting people up. So just abuse them to just human list and to block and build them to bits that so this is going to same what they are doing now. Why do you think that this bill has so much support in gone to what is what is behind these attitudes toward the Clear Community . So we want to say goodnight, its a religious country and, and growing up we are told that this a month and a woman and the i know or the human bees. But as we go off, we realize that the people who are also out the bus, we are not given the opportunity to, to, to love and understand this. People in a substitute. So its, its, its, its, its very difficult, like for people to on the fund and thats, thats, thats this people as a split, showed them love this, show them. Okay. Lets, lets embrace them as human beings as we. Uh, so this is yes. Thank you so much for joining us with this message. We really appreciate you taking the time to come into the studio today as angel. Maxine, thank you to and we can leave you with a nice bit of news. We end with a Success Story from snow. We scandinavia scientists in norway have a boost of the numbers of rare arctic foxes. Climate change had left the endangered spaces struggling to find enough to eat in the wilds. The population was down to just about 40 foxes. But feeling stations have lifted the count to more than 500. Without the program, the animals were facing extinction bought the researchers are warning also that it is still too early to say for sure that the species has been saved. And that was the day you can follow our team on social media at dw news, im at to clarify reports. If its the latest headlines you are looking for, there was always our website dw, dot com. Or you can find this on youtube to for me. Team thank you so much for watching the the how did she become, who she is today . 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