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A terrorist organization . They dont know some of the solutions. They offer black shirts with us best to make for me, it is also coming up more damage to europes energy infrastructure. A gas pipeline in the baltic, sea cut just before winter, an accident or sabotage. We cannot say at this stage a, a voice behind this, but we can see that some kind of external action is behind this for to our viewers watching on tv, as in the United States, into all of you around the world. Welcome, we begin the de, inside gaza, where the power today began running out the Central Power plan. Providing electricity for guns is 2300000 residents went offline today, as israels blockade takes hold. Palestinians are now relying on generators for power if they have fuel to run them across the board. Israel is moving tanks and soldiers into position ahead of what is expected to be the biggest ground incursion into the gaza strip since the last ground assault back in 2014 mos continues to watch rockets across the border is rarely air strikes are increasing by the hour of battling the skies expected to hit the ground and each of their strikes, blockades and now a power cut conditions for the over 2000000. 00 People Living in the gaza strip. Keep getting worse is real, had already cut off electricity to gaza. Now the territory. So power plant is also out of service. The fuel has run out. The officials warned that the effect on causes already overloaded Health System will be devastating. And seeing that were talking about full beds and hospitals across cons. I mean adding to this that the medication and supplies are about to run out. Also, the fuel and generator are close to running out to me if there will be a real issue in pending. As the Electricity Company told us, they will completely stop work, which will be reflected on all those wounded off ideas, really aggression and the sick people have gone to a mess. And i guess i lost the job and it was. But i the one model up to 5 because the gaza is under heavy fire. The wounded keeps coming in medicine is running out of doctors without borders, say 50 wounded, came in at once after an air strike reduced to jamalia, a refugee camp to revel. Thousands have fled their homes to seek shelter elsewhere. But for people in this densely populated area, there are no safe hiding spaces. How is this our fault . What did my children do . Theres no electricity, internet, food, or water. Why . We suddenly found ourselves displaced, going from a car to a hospital to a street. One person was coming to stay with us, they got hit by an air strike. Another person asked us to come, stay with them. They got targeted. Im in the street. Where should i go . I dont know. Even un facilities have been hit or you and facility is cool, sheltering the displays, but i have been directly hit um a few days ago. And, and overall we are hosting some 170000 people in over 80 schools on other facilities across the gulf has stripped. These are families who have floods the selling and the bombardment is real, says it has destroyed the homes of many members of hamas. The militant islam is group viewed as a terrorist organization by the you and the us as night fall approaches in gaza. Millions of people will have to wait for morning in near total darkness, in their homes and hospitals. While there are a Central Supplies are running out. International Rights Groups are calling for the opening of the humanitarian cord or my 1st guess tonight is a veteran. Us diplomat, daniel occurred to was ambassador to egypt under president bill clinton. He was us investor to israel from 2001 to 2005. Investors good to have you with this this evening. The buying administration, as you will know, has been critical of the nets and yahoo government, in the past, the, the scale of the home aust atrocities plus the establishment of this emergency government. Do you think all of this will prompt washington or is prompting washington to give netanyahu Carte Blanche to respond to her mouse . Are well secretary state uh time blinking his landing. It is real probably right about now. And im pretty confident that hes carrying 2 messages. Number one is please re read what president of the bite and said that the United States stands supporting israel. We have their back. But i think the private messages you need to moderate the response in a manner that doesnt create its own. Youre not a terry. And distressing problem casa, has been a problem for quite some time. The people are being held hostage by hum us. Now they have is really hostages as well. So theres room, well need to take this into account as it searches out the hamas leadership and tries to decapitate. What do you think the role of the United States should be . Is critical times im shouldnt be to offer unconditional support to israel or should it be an agent to help break the cycle of violence. I mean, if the United States doesnt do it, then what power will as well, i dont like the word cycle of violence. How mazda is actions over the weekend or beyond the pale, and represent a roofing escalation of its own . I think the United States is israels posts, as how i can provide the kind of, sobering advice that i hope sector blinking is bringing. But as you saw, were also sending to Aircraft Carrier battle groups to the mediterranean to send a very Important Message to other players such as his ball at 11 on any ron not to escalate this crisis. So i think we, we play those 2 different roles. We will work with a countries like egypt and color to see if we cant get some dialogue started to address the issue of the hostages, and see how this goes forward. But the israel is intent upon trying to not only diminish, but to destroy how mazda is capabilities of ever doing again, the har or what they committed this weekend minister netanyahu he talks about now of reshaping the middle east. What is, whats your take on, on that rhetoric . Um, what do you think he means . Well, frankly, i dont know. I think before how much is attack . There was a sense that a savvy israel understanding or normalization agreement would be transformative. And i think thats what the, by the ministration was pursuing in the aftermath of what, how much is done. However, i think its going to need, were going to need a lot of time for things to sort out. And im not sure that theres a new middle east, a comfortable middle east thats going to emerge very easily. The israel will be on the edge of his fellow, represents the significant threat, both in the context of whats happening now. But also in the future. Raj nuclear pretensions represent a significant threat and so the analysts and policy makers are going to be working overtime to try to figure this out. I think its premature to make big declarations about what the middle east will be. And im wondering what this is going to do to the thrust of us Foreign Policy in the United States has been trying to, to shift its focus from the middle east. Um, more towards a new security focus being on asia, of course are rising. China, does this conflict . Does it mean that that shifting policy . Is that over is, or is it going to be suspend as well . I think the us as well as others will have to reassess the bases of its policies and approach in this region. We certainly are not going to change with respect to our support for israel and the security. Were not going to change with respect to our support for other allies, the egypt, jordan, saudi arabia. Were not going to change with respect to the importance of, of the security of oil and gas exports, but of how things shape out with respect to non state actors. And this is that a problem that all of us have been grappling with for a long time. And no one really has a handle on it. With states, you can expect some kind of normal behavior. Sometimes they go to war, sometimes they dont. Non state actors are not covered by any of these rules, and as we saw this weekend, not only has almost broken the rules of international behavior, but has the really decline to to a blood thirsty, a horrible killing machine, which is hard to grasp the level of this information on social media, when it pertains to this conflict, i mean, it has reached unprecedented levels. And a common theme that were seeing is, is an attempt to create a, a moral equivalence between is really actions and the atrocities committed by a mouse. How do you see this a look at some particular problem worldwide. I see it on the college campus. I teach at Princeton University and we want to be sensitive to the feelings of American Jews and his release on campus who have been affected emotionally by what happened. But we also need to be sensitive to the fact that we have palestinian and our students who are now watching the destruction of homes and, and the killing of people in gaza. And social media only exacerbates the problem. You know, i think you heard that the israelis have advised parents to keep their children off of social media. They dont want to see some of the most horrific uh, images that are out there. But uh, youre not going to get a lot of people offering social media and that means that the chance of this information uh, really becomes much greater and only adds to the burden of trying to calm the situation down. Ambassador frontier, we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. We appreciate your valuable insights tonight. Thank you. My pleasure. Thanks for earlier this evening, i spoke to gar kit, one of israels most prominent authors. He lives in tel aviv with his wife and son. I asked him what went through his mind when he heard that from us had launched an attack in israel a wedding to beginning the, you know, mean my wife, we woke up to a normal. Um, you know, were, weve been fluid out of it real quick me said a tech so. So we, after the, the launch and you know, and the, the me size, we went and bought the coffin to take awake a fast thinking that its more of the same and, and then very quickly, you start to get getting news about basically hundreds and ends in a of terrorist entering gauge a keyboard, susan, villages, and towns and murdering people. And there was this feeling of fake you both because people were quartering, but that the, the television saying we need help that people burning down our house, come and save us. And not only the, the army to peach time to arrive, but the government provided no glass or knit anyhow, released a movie 6 hours later in which he has a perfectly make up and very nicer and says that we are ready to work with all those people dealing with issues, you know, he, in the 1st i would say 48 hours or at least, you know, for the 6 hours. And then youll find member went to any of the states to do is, you know, the be pretty like a, a me to start with the minister of transportation. You know, people who could just give some kind of a feeling of leadership. Were not there, its a the extreme extreme right when the government basically disintegrated with people from the process offering to us is to 2 families in distress. Its, its strange if its like in this country and its could, i could, i couldnt hear the disappointment. Im in your voice, i mean you feel like youre government the state. Let you down at the moment when it should have been protecting you. What does it mean then for your confidence in this emergency government that was announced today . Well 1st of all, i want to say that, you know, a, im a 56 year old guy, i leave during my life and use right surgery and ive been for quite a few was ive never been in a situation like that because i think that for the past 20 years nathaniel had built this kind of system of is it containing is transcending to come us as an identity you know, to, to define a scene of dorothy and basically as some kind of way of making sure that nobody is staying in state with sleep through now these uh, these i do of bribing to their booth and best thing with the day of and containing the day of a, a explosive, you know, face, you know, and, and they are, they are more than files and civilian dead. And they are more than 2000 is civilians wanted. And in this season, you dont lose the government that you cited against everyone against this pilots were full and the soldiers were fighting now to a to say if i left a guest by didnt you know, this is the same government that said together to is it ministers any to, to binding mind your own business. The have the waters of Northern Europe become the scene to get another pipeline sabotage a year after the nord stream pipeline bombings. Finland confirmed this week that it is investigating a rupture and a sub c gas pipeline. That stretches all the way to estonia and defend say, the damage was probably caused by outside activity that has put it on the radar at nato. The baltic connector gas pipeline connex into in finland and pulled this ski in estonia. Now it was ruptured on wednesday along with a Telecommunications Cable connecting the 2 countries. Repairs are expected to take about 5 months. In the meantime, worries over the security of europes energy infrastructure. It will only grow. Here is the head of native. Youre in stoughton. Bert speaking earlier today, the important thing now is this published what happens on the a, how this could happen . If it is proven to be a deliberate attack on a nato Critical Infrastructure, then this will be, of course, a serious uh, but it will also be met by a united and determined that response from nato or the one to bring in benjamin smith. Now hes an Energy Security expert with the university pennsylvania. He testified to the us congress on russias weapon, isaac, of energy, and this summer he paid a visit in fact to the baltic connector. So i didnt estonia, the perfect man to talk to tonight. Benjamin, its good to see you again, nato pledging a strong response. If this is found to be a deliberate attack, do you think that this is sabotage . Is that the only plausible explanation . A well look, brand straight to see you and i wish we werent always uh, meeting under such circumstances. Websites the pipeline explosions, the baltic sea. But there we are. I will say that right now, everything looks like this was a deliberate action, and it really is going to come down to the forensic investigation thats been ongoing. Lets, lets step back here. We 1st heard about this on sunday, on october east, when there was a drastic drop in pressure in the pipeline all the way down to 6 bar, suggesting a tube of our ring on the estonian side and in the, in the uh, the, the finished uh, Transmission System operator desperate on the finish side, that there was the leak in. Remember, this is kind of a seems forensic uh, um, uh, timeline that we had for the north stream ruptures. We didnt know right away. That was sabotage. We just knew the release. And of course, over the past 48 hours, we have seen the investigation continue. Um there were uh notes of a small not as large as the north stream glass, but a small seismic event that took place. This could have been course with a small amount of explosives, but also just by mechanically rupturing the pipeline. So theres a number of theories right now about whats going on. And im certainly looking into this and in this is certainly, as you said, ran to not something that ive been looking at closely. As you said, i, i visited the site right next door to the volt, the connector and pull these key sonya just basically several weeks ago when i was looking at the jedi for the police g e f. As are your floating surgery gas vacation unit as part of my up and climbing uh, Energy Research grant that im, im working on Critical Infrastructure protection in more than a year. I know that youve also been doing a lot of research into the north stream of explosions, the bombings can you, can you draw some parallels here . And i, i guess the question a lot of people are asking is with north stream. And now with this incident, do both of these roads lead to moscow as well . What we dont know yet again, this, the, the final thing to do here is to gather as much information in both cases, right . The forensic evidence use spatial commercial satellite imagery that weve seen on now with the width of the north stream investigations. I think the same thing is going to have to be done with both the connector to look for any vessels or any other activity that was going on outside of standard operation and getting vessels that are operating with their a i s are automatic Information Systems switched on um, so if the thats the normal operating, the operating procedure, but if these vessels have their, their, their a, a switch off, they become what is known as a dark, special meaning that i cant go on to a website like marine traffic, which has spoken source ship traffic control, which is in see where these vessels are so that the panels between the 2 events are really striking. Thus far. We saw on a pan nordic investigation by before nordics, public broadcasters come out of several months ago and showed using commercial satellite data that a number of russian subs see capable vessels, government vessels that were on the sites of the north spring, blast gulf in june 2022 and some of them just a few days before those last in september 2022. And you know that, that includes this vessel, the super eoc costs a subsidy capable vessel that the russians have. Incidentally, on this vessel was shown by a polish, consult, and see just 24 hours ago to have been in and around the vault to connect her pipeline. In the weeks leading up to this incident, whether or not it had a direct cause or, or a direct can in the bolt, the connector disaster that weve seen thus far, it gets unclear. This will take a lot more data, but, you know, weve seen vessels on a asset. If you spin back the data on the website, like green drafts to you. Russian icebreakers basically going right over the sites as the explosion allegedly have, you know, we talked about this before, benjamin we, we still do not have a final verdict about what happened to the nord stream pipelines, even a year after the, the, the bombings now russia says that it wants to join the investigation of what does that tell you about the notion of sabotage with a kremlin fingerprint . Yes, russia, whos been wanting to be part of all of these investigations and then it has lost a series of hearings at the un specifically to try to push this narrative. It has been many times the bunk that norway in the United States were somehow involved in the, the destruction of the north spring pipelines. All right, so, so weve seen this over and over and well probably see it again as he said with the baltic semester pipeline. But theres another thread thats been really captivating the media in both english language press, but also german language. Pressed this idea that there was a so so called pro ukrainian sail boat, the enrollment that somehow sailed out in into the deed sabotaged, ignored stream, wanting to last year. It is very possible that that could be the case. However, uh, a lot of, of expertise around the baltic sea really starts the question whether this is technically possible, technically feasible, could be a legitimate false leg operation by the russians. I personally know that the, that sale boat exist. I went up to the bottom and uh, in uh, just uh, 2 weeks ago and actually found it and walked up and saw the, the, the, uh, the sale boats, a rental sale boat and really nothing very extraordinary about it. But again, theres been a complete lack of coverage or, or, you know, deleted coverage of what the north broadcasters had shown, which our russian capable be a subsidy capable vessels vessels that are actually designed to do c bed welfare. Were on the site and were getting on what youre thinking of seeing, one of these possibly at the both the connector. So ive got about 30 seconds because why do you think that is . Why do you think that there has not been a lot of the coverage in, in the english language media about this a boy thats, thats the 1000000. 00 question grant. Im not entirely sure. And thats something that im hoping to uh, to publish in, in bring some more more analysis to soon. But again, all of these different offshore Infrastructure Protection scenarios need to be bolstered as much as possible. And one of the biggest things we can do right now, in addition to just having surveillance on the see, is to have more over watch capabilities from, you know, from drones for or better cetera. That allow us to have attribution because thats the sort of thing that will hopefully stop the sort of incidents from happening if they are deliberate because you know, no one wants to be found out. So thats, thats where we think we need to be. Focus is anita alinas. Page ridgemont is always good to have you on good to get your analysis valuable insights. Thank you. Thanks so much for pregnancy. So the day is almost done, the conversation that continues online. Youll find this on twitter either in the w news. You can probably be a bring got tv and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. Well see you then everybody, the self sufficient power to the people in this village and talked to the installation of Renewable Energy on another unit. And in many of the remote changed around the state in germany next on the dublin code and the full the election officially against the admission of migrant. Yet, under the tables setting, hundreds of thousands of work visas to bribes. The cash for the visa scandals could cost peas, its credibility and election victory. 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