The researches africas problems and rewards. Those who try to solve them. Does he ever lose faith in africa . The feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for one of the core of africas problems. He says this 5 governance for why is it still so prevalent . How was it that african lead is voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes, and whats behind the refused or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine . Is it paid back for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. Welcome to come fix a thanks to so youve tried so many years to promote a governance in africa in some countries youve had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. In su, don, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you . Is the very best on a standard word. And ill be able to have this, ive done this. And what we have here is 2 sides to this, fighting a button in, in our carpet. This is side once power and was power comes financial, disclose this is instead of the story, this is story of full. Yes. I made it to the cause is essentially old. Story, unfortunately, and enough is enough for all those guys, despite trudges by both sides to respect humanitarian principles. That hasnt been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. Why is that . They dont care . Absolutely. I dont see the shift. Each of them think they can somehow, when this dont, they cannot be a were not here. They cannot be, were not the only whos us ever this find is losing. And so these people are losing. The little frustrated we have is being destroyed. Detective easy isnt a mess. And most of unions of buying them sold. Yes. Its, it is, it is very sent. Do you ever lose faith in africa . No. Despite to this, thats going to get, but thats when can 3 out of 54 guns. Gordons on index in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. So are moving forward. Thats it backs in some countries. Unfortunately, one of them is my country. But we, we would find a way for what. But this conflict is youve also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of backsliding. Democracy as the number of states bad governments. Youve quoted africas own goal and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shifts your sense of responsibility for this week. Okay, this the funding governor, governor society. I bought a number of, of, of deliverables. One of them, of course, is human rice delivery. A bunch of dish and its, its not, i dont, the boxes are corner me then easy. Human developments and the rules of security and the picture, the big jump is really mix. Yes. To course, over the last 10 years, i forgot made the point of progress in the area of introspection and Human Development bits of educational based on hand, but non secured, no security little of little is going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes the or its inclusion, a creative assessment. Uh. Then you have also extend the fact that its like Climate Change with you end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. And if thats not to manage, it ends up its or ethnic conflicts like having in the for i didnt have a claim it on legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. So it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of Natural Disaster habiting because of climate. Thats one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. We started to see this phenomena of a strong man. Its something we need to fight back against. How do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal gangs that kill for the sake of it. How. How do you fight back . You can see, i think young young people are looking at whats happening in comfortable weatherstone. Banners. So that for 50 years, encouraged jenna. But she was infection about 430. 00 is created for this military organizational. Now theres no time off for the him to have an army. He committed to the support forces and called him him might be, you know, it just has a for him at the is my board section. And the, the Collision Center just has an army. His party has the militia, he had ordered the stuff, the judges curriculum is this course. So to us, hit the same kids who grew up on the hes or those are the guys were buying is a city for them. Oh gosh. This is a and b will will give us hope because they will not accept the soldier. They will not accept at tyler need. They will not accept the death of ships and you went to just the need for 3 years now going solution for them, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i can you say that to say that, but thats one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics. According to Afro Barometer report last month, that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. After a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. Now a slim majority, theres a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them. Of course, at least it is dangerous, and the problem is you take, given a for example, we have to have as look on the ap using fall off his power. And then trying to day was the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position im fed and a guy who was the democrat before getting follow didnt power gets to his head. And now being the data. When electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say oh as one is definitely a good idea for him. So i dont know to be this important competitor. Cool. Yeah. Happy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing this because issue shouldnt end up losing his body if uh yeah, if they can get rid of some but then, but then the problem is you are, you are a blessing. The song was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesnt look like that. Thats why i, i, us, people need to live that there is lots of loss to, to seek the 4 of the bad z thats. Its also important to know what youre going for, and this is that instead of ending up mid, i suppose you committed to the quote again, is that somebody asked for it to decide whats the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. Unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. Look only in africa. Our guys in africa look around. I do see over just stalling and stalling me all over the place. You know, and we have something that steps will have the key labs and i sure will have china, web philippines. What, how many strong men are then . We see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. What about this . I was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are all the about and why i cannot be like to order the again, why cannot be like yeah, this is a time for strong man unfortunately. And we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. Its a global phenomena. Id like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment. Um, one to the violence according to the un, which of both sides trampling on humanitarian. Now, back in 2010, the New York Times bureau chief of east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic despite, as he said, what doubles with the cause, they were predators. And for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. To what extent is that still the case . It is, it is unfortunately paper that a number come in. Some countries will graphic ill have see like a blank was in the list in the last few years. Unfortunately, we thought we finished invest. That was you cool. You know, that is each at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies, where every morning we used to have a course on wedding. I think weve heard that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this. Then that gives us an extra division question. I mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa . Why do we do that . What does the job of items the item is suppose to protect you . Important . Who is it and the applicant cant to be so i think i dont have applicant categories to, to have any was between applicant categories. I dont record any why you need the arms. Whos been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that to. Yeah, im in a moment to, to i, i just, i dont think we need it. It is all nice. And those guys has been goals as many of them, and then they come much with us with the copy that. I mean what is last week . So those government told the Un Human Rights Council that it was basically none of the us business. What was happening inside to done was an internal affair. They said, im a student, these armed forces. So of course of launched attacks, and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital is you said it was simply doing the constitutional duty. What do you say to a government like that . Does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but the government does look at the look of the shipment. What causes those guys government . Its the only government they have. I just it always people just took it by paula by guns. Dad looking lifted that note to drive. Look at it. Yeah. I mean those guys just, you know, making them. Busy a lot of shows in general, those on the f, i never have active bouncing this while the african states that applique on union actually is, is, is suspended. So then thats it. Thats all theyve done. What else comes they do . What is the problem . Is the applicant here that hasnt well just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the ethic i knew when the actual the finance should be on, then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental race and whatever, unfortunately, ethic under that hasnt hasnt called yet, she has plenty of good attentions, doesnt to but the 2003 and i saw the amount of power. What happens assignments for guns by one and 220. Yes. What happens, what, what about the sort of the accounts . I forget the plastic, i need to double check with you because what it is including accounts. I think a lot of people forgotten about the security cause is defined by the veto. Is that the 5 cause, i guess, is what i lice a point in the whole bubbly order is in a mess. The whole public, the whole, or the whole world of this. You know, all these global instructions. I miss you create accounts. It is important. Cannot do anything. Yeah for can you open the dfcs . They dont have the means to look. So theyve had all the extra bliss. I think hes more on the ridge which included the accounts of kind of even the so were not seeing much of that. As far as i know the, this is that did it and said this is empty that we have to come for us 2 weeks of all ive had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones you want to do that if its, if it is closer to, to see what i can look if its but its on obedience and whats going on for them. Shift for you have access all over the come to do you have you talk to either the generals, the causing this contract and so down at the moment i know i, i dont have enough Common Ground even to start the conversation. I believe was those guys have given us the should end of the date . Will they . If i to i hold on then i hope so. Whats the, whats the chance it was one day it would come one day look. But she ended up in prison. Id be able to sit all what but, but she industry, nobody could touch him. He wasnt prison. So what happened to court . What happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and Central African republic, where the trial, i think, is important to support the i. C. I o. Projected to there is an attempt to replace isis. He was an advocate court. I dont think that was the right decision. Actually its and again, you look at the weight that quote is going to georgia, which it cannot, it cannot, but its cute, but is it is yes, i paid 1000. 00 entity from executive. So i, as i said, july as i yeah. Is this going to end up really was getting taxes drivers and official men, but theyre not my good. Its gotta do that. Why it is a special court. It, it just, it city. It just some visits wants to be effective sense from vice and see. And that was a bundle of what to do. Im sorry about that. So then no quick fixes for this was done thats going on and it will spread to the region so maybe spread to well west stuff. What has that . What about south . So don, is that next . Okay, is it a Different Institution . So, so that ive come to it, but i think we cannot give up, but then well have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits, who it was, all these will continue to hold. What i mean as it is very encouraging to see United States is involved. So you gotta be as involved, both of them fancy show stuff definitely can do and you have this in for them. And yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. So our messages, yeah, most of those guys would have thatd be conference in there will be our foundation. I know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. Or do you hear about kansas was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fi um, alex would need to buy any extra most of our to the vision. And with this, and we need to be able to look either we have or were going to go often, you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. I think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. How healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes, musson to the group. Of course, um, bob, from the, for instance, victorious in ukraine, and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. And youll notice who invited them many of the ships in the number of western countries. This being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to in the case of south africa, mutual over russias invasion of ukraine. Is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i go to rule is the community that templates be fact judge illusion. America is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of this over and see what else i can see of you create of your claim. And many African People said, excuse me. What did america do . Any of that was that could be good. Was that not breach of security . So for the d over lots of countries. So why did they cut them both in a 2nd, but from us towards this, the distribution for what was a little bit media on lice. I think you had mentioned what is, what is a new issue on because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is wrong for us to was, is it is usually because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral, really, besides the as it is kind of, she is your boy, i the, these items are the collection of rooms, or those you give me or out of the rules only applies to russia, not us. Lets not be heavy. Ok, this is appropriate. This is to a problem. We need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. What do we say and what you do . What happens in libya . Would im broke this category. We never put it together, but again, is that acceptable . What do you make . Look, im not going to be honest, i did it with this stuff. So it looked like the width is in the why it on or romantic . Nobody saying, okay, so, so dont lets you dont collection of other people and say, you look icon them. And i think it is a problem is i like shift about for russia to video created. And theres no question back in the same place. I have called the American Invasion of over that act. Because this is, is equivalence. And we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, this applies to everybody. You know, exceptionally is why we bring in what do you make of americas charge last week that south africa had load it onto a sanctioned russian freight to if you make of that child i, im really confused. Exactly as to why the investment level just as well. We only have south africas versions. So saying he apologized, he didnt know what was your tell, he didnt apologize in public. Oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in the this you website actually that he didnt like know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. But when it, when they did denied the wording was, im big us. They said we didnt approve any arms to russia. It wasnt sanctioned or approved by us. I suggest that was something to some place that i played with would im afraid that south africa has a number of issues i think. And where is a see, where is the government . I think is the broberg we is losing. Its its agreeable impala effectively. I said some somewhere today that is possible that the, for the, even though that we have of what happens. They cannot admit that because they say ok then this instead of what if hes at with as hes in light, is also terrible. Ive that made it comfortable song. I was also a medical reports now are more accurate than before. Uh. I mean, drink act. It has a web as of mazda, that a section on the, which is a kim, loud this actually budgeting throat in the world. The amenities have been very accurate and they bought it. So i did it. Well, its not. And i dont know what this is to, so what happened there. But i notice these are to innovation of governments and tests. Africa was big public about this. Right . In the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or havent done. What do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do . 5. I think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way, look at what is happening here. Go with the game and youll have to be probably all you to be on the thats 20. Youll be a lead, an applicant leads us signed and thats out of published in 50. Nobody see if, unless everybody says applicant the support, we need to 100000000. 00 budget and then nothing happens. Good with. But no the, its nothing done. Then be able to hold. Holding coffee, nice to the nationalists and the other guys, even our heads up is the support. Nothing. Okay. And that was the, the bad behavior tv. But at this job it because then demo safe on this. Everybody see if they know that so right. Knowing gauge was now for the same as i know its after we left for the summit. 60 you africa. So yeah, thats what this you have to confirm. It was good it, but you can see the different color. Thats very important. Look at the after, got that. So theres no cover it 23000. 00. Out of said yes, everyone gentlemen, in america, us and, and bridget also seen the f. 23. 00 young dollars. Africans go north of theres any money. Okay. And now does it face what is happening . So when you create has a problem, when greece has a financial problem, the fund, will it bank immediately search it out. Now whats happening in zambia, whats happening instead of the other 2 years . Does it act . And you want them to close that um and you want them to come down also on the list it cash and this is fine. The lowest, the 100000000000. 00 a 100000000000. 00. They get most of the got well with the companies sunday night and price me back on the best pricing and broke it down. You know, a lot of shifting. I do know that im sick, i just want you to act so with these really the bits of the heavy and so my friends of the was really is a bit of, with all of them who did have a bit of Financial Institution because these Financial Institution im not said of in this house that dominated by wisdom most do know some ideas on the boards its. Its not theres no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. Thats why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your grid, right . But so the lack of what is to that is why is that what the doesnt know . 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