Very soon the most not all of them i can look into. Whether one is 1600 of them weve only seen up in about 20 maybe 31600 and they say the worst ones are are the ones with him saying so and and yes they were violating the military regulations of what they were doing but. They were operating within a system in which they they were conditioned they were structured in order to violate those laws. When you arrived at the brave where you where or what had happened there. Almost immediately after we arrived we were briefed that there was misconduct but we werent given details and the interrogators that i knew who had been there during that time didnt they didnt talk about it so we we didnt know if i learned everything through the news. We understood the geneva conventions to mean that absolutely you know you knew you couldnt you couldnt harm anybody in your care that your primary responsibility was there will be. Rather than putting you in distress but then we were confused and then of you know of course we got these memos from the Justice Department and from the pentagon. Authorizing the use of much more harsh techniques. We started docking those techniques when i was stationed in mosul among them were stress positions sleep deprivation. Inducing hypothermia. State and in any way we could put them in distress using dogs this is this is a salute so called slippery slope so that they take the gloves off policy allowed american interrogators from going from a certain list of techniques that were lets say allowed and even those were already torture to doing extreme things rape and sodomy you know the most extreme forms of physical and psychological patel easy. You can just torture somebody on a whim without knowing how to do it and the reality of course is that torture like any physical skill right requires training requires practice it requires an institutional setting a built environment really you need to have this institutionalized space physical space in which you can perform torture we want you know we we want to be successful i was against the war ive been a liberal i didnt vote for george bush. But i wanted to do my job well you know i felt like you know if i could be successful and get intelligence from people then we could end the war quickly it would be better for iraq better for for us from the people sure. In recent days is going to focus has. Betrayed our values and soul into the future. Of our country. With 6 or 7 investigations under way. In a military Justice System thats felt as we know that those. Who were there are brought to justice. I was angry at our leadership because i knew that they were prosecuting interrogators and guards and leadership wasnt being held accountable i. I was disappointed in myself and. A reviewer there was terrible so i was i was right i was very angry when the abu ghraib trial happened. I got a call from the lawyer for chip frederick. And he asked me to act as part of the defense team i said well the person that you should really talk to is zimbardo he ran this experiment in the 1970 s. And the situations at abu ghraib as far as i can tell are those conditions that are also reproduced in the. Zimbardo experiments chip frederick hes. The man here he was the one who had the idea of putting electrodes on in the hood his lawyer said the problem now is the military want to use him in a show trial in baghdad. In abu ghraib not only not a single scene office that went to trial not a single scene officer got a call letter of reprimand in fact in some cases they even got promoted in the offices so its its the people at the top always take care of the people at the time. Were still evaluating how we are going to approach the whole issue of interrogations detentions and so forth and i dont believe that anybody is bob along on the other hand i also have a belief that we need to look forward as los as opposed to looking looking backwards. Well look forward will look backward go forward is going to be like backward if you dont do something about what happened in the past nobody has been held accountable for the church or that happened in the past and for this among other people i fault president obama essentially he gave everybody Dick Cheney Donald rumsfeld he gave them all a free pass. To its w. Bush theyre all going to be rehabilitated theyre all going to be treated as great statesmen one day i mean they gave president obama a nobel prize for not being george w. Bush. The question of course the world cup thats in around me you know are avoiding is doesnt work as torture work doesnt work people that have information that are part of an underground up a rat a terrorist organization a revolution urbanisation accomplished organization whatever organized form of collective elements it might be they wont. Know. And the people that you pick up that are innocence yes youll. The show them to pieces youll store them youll ruin them. I think that a few of the people that passed passed through my hands and interrogated did have intelligence but most of the vast majority of the people that i dealt with were just being picked up because they were males of military age and they were just get swept up and in these raids i dont i dont think torture is always being used as a method to gain information or or confessions its often just being used out of out of anger and fear. Here in the United States we have this picture of torture as something that is done by the lonely person the lonely the man who does it more in sorrow than in anger because he is absolutely forced to because so many lives depend on it is willing to take the moral stain and the moral pain on him and in order to save all these people there was always this anxiety in american politics which is that the buck receive kinds of makes makes us weaker and less capable of taking the real things that real men should be able to do theres a very gendered masculinist sort of notion behind this real men torture. And democracy makes a sissies. In the middle east we have people shopping their heads off christians we have things that we have never seen before i would bring back waterboarding and that bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. One of the things that we need to consider now it has become quite an issue is how many of these soldiers who used to participate in. These kinds of american techniques are now policemen and immigration officers who managed executions and hispanics and other sorts of things in interrogations today theres already beginning to be evidence that these old techniques including freezing rooms. Sleep deprivation all these things are now being used on on on immigrants and children so this is one of the terrible things about techniques is that they circulate between war and home and whatever you do in war comes home ready ready. If we keep torture clean then we can feel that the thing thats being done to protect us isnt really so bad we have become used to the idea that it is a legitimate moral stance that we do anything we need to in order to feel safe to feel secure and in a bizarre way its as if the government is trying to make a deal with us you let us do whatever we want over here on the dark side and in return i promise you will never die its like this fake promise of immortality. But of course we could die history the american empire is written 50 years from now historians might have to say as french historians have said about france and algeria. But something was lost in the us or moral authority that made america war leader sacrificed for this this shimmer of effect of interrogation. It is quite as simple as it seeks. To understand the world better we need to take a closer look at. The experience knowledge to apologise. To the t. W. Theres a cultural raging over the american dream. Is in flux but which way is it headed artists are concerned what moves the photographers filmmakers and writers to share their views nation in turmoil. Arts 21. 16 and d w. How does a virus spread. Why do we panic and when well all miss. Just 3 of the topics covered and the weekly radio show is called spectrum if you like and information on the program virus or any other science topic you should really check out our podcast you can get it wherever you get your podcast you can also find us at dot com slash science. Such. This is g. W. News live from Berlin Germany reaches a grim milestone and the corona virus a pandemic becoming the 6th european country to cost 10000. 00 deaths from the virus as today the infection rate also jumps to a new high tougher restrictions have been imposed in many of germanys federal states to stop the 2nd wave of the virus from turning into tsunami. Was a coming up the latest of sudan and israel have agreed to normalize relations and the u. S. Brokered deal President Trump announced sudan would be removed from the u. S. Terror list and lauded the move saying deals with other arab countries are in the pipeline. And protesters and Police Clashed in war so often the government is affected lead bans abortions demonstrators in the polish cabs so fear the bad will have dire consequences for Womens Health. Welcome to the program more than 10000 people have now died from covert 19 in germany following a shop rise in cases in recent weeks germanys death rate has been relatively low compared to some of its neighbors and a new daily record new infections has also been set in the last 24 hours with more than 14700 coronavirus cases as me a grim milestone painful for every family its his turn ched germany has become the 6th european country to reach 10900 deaths. After a peak in mid april the daily death toll was much lower over the summer for most of july august and September Corona deaths in any 24 hour period were in single figures in the last 2 weeks the mortality rate has begun to rise sharply but there are hopes it may not return to the level it reached earlier this year we had very high death toll in the springtime especially for the elderly and now we have more rate is higher in the younger population and that explains why the mortality rate is lower because younger people do not succumb 19 they usually get sick sometimes also very severe is severely sick however the usually do not die compared with some other countries fewer people in germany have died from the disease the number of deaths per 1000000 of population is 120 neighboring france are seen more than 4 times their death rate meanwhile china and india have reported much lower numbers of fatalities by head of population those figures show germany may have dealt well with the virus so far but infections are also rising again more steeply than deaths and experts are increasingly concerned as they look towards the coming months. We dont know how the inspection situation will develop we have to assume that the number of serious cases will increase and that the number of deaths will also rise. If that assumption proves correct many more funerals will have to be held under the shadow of covert 19. And have some other stories making news around the world. Scuffles have erupted in the italian city of naples between police and people who had gathered to protest against new coronavirus restrictions the local government has introduced a curfew from 11 pm to 5 am and has vowed to impose a lockdown to curb rising coated 1000 cases. The head of the World Health Organization has warned that some countries face the prospect of their Health Services collapsing during the current of ours and they make the w. H. O. As director general says too many countries are seeing an exponential rise in covert 19 cases and hes urged leaders to take immediate action to prevent further unnecessary deaths. Antigovernment protesters have clashed with police in chiles capital santiago the unrest comes 2 days before chileans vote on a referendum on whether to change the countrys constitution which was written during the pinochet era constitutional change was one of the key demands in a wave of protests that broke out in october last year. Libyas 2 warring factions have signed a cease fire deal and thats ending almost a decade of conflict Effective Immediately the agreement comes after 5 days of talks in geneva hosted by the u. N. The organization hailed the deal last and historic turning point for peace and stability in the country. Now sudan has pledged to normalize relations with israel making it the 3rd arab country to establish ties with the jewish state under u. S. Brokered deals this year donald trump announced the agreement on friday the u. S. Said it will remove sudan from the from the list of states of tara if khartoum compensates us victims of terrorist attacks Trump Administration recently also broke a diplomatic diplomatic ties between israel and the United Arab Emirates and by her right the move has angered palestinians but. Israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu held the deal as the beginning of a new era for israel. Today we declare another dramatic breakthrough for peace another arab country joined some circles. This time. What a Great Development and they adopted in 1673 nos of the arab league no to peace or for israel no recognition of israel and no negotiations with israel i mean its. Day to me saying yes to peace with israel yes to recognition of israel and yes you know many zation of israel this is a new era you dont choose pieces proceeding with 3 arab countries in the last few weeks so much membership lets go to washington correspondent all of a silent for more get to see all of whats in this for washington and why did the u. S. Wants to broker this deal all the same that was in the earlier piece tale that the United States brokered the trumpet ministration between israel and the United Arab Emirates and lets be frank all trump here he needs urgently needs a Success Stories in Foreign Policy as you know it did not go very well for him in the last 4 years of his presidency just think about north korea iran russia all the attempts that donald trump made to to reach agreements deals and never really concluded or came to a conclusion oh if you take a closer look at that deal and it really is a deal we have to say that saddam was taken off a list sponsor of terrorism list although stresses that this has nothing to do with the diplomatic relations that theyre now starting with israel theyre having economic advantages for that very reason it looks like that deal was economic advantages in exchange for a Foreign PolicySuccess Story and that is a big achievement of course right now for the Trump Administration as were getting closer to election day. So a big achievement with just 11 days to go now the deal of course comes on the heels of that final president ial debate in nashville on thursday nights now the coronavirus pandemic dominated the agenda very along with Race Relations taxes and the economy stay with us all of i will have a report 1st. Republicans in longwood florida were thrilled with their candidates performance we love and adore him and tonight he was doing a fabulous job back in 2016 i voted against hillary not necessarily for trump but now i am 100 percent on board the children but biden supporters seemed equally satisfied. Its hard to sum up is how do you get someone like. That he held his own he made great a glowing and very different tone and pace defined this head to head between the president ial hopefuls gone with the chaos and constant interruptions of their 1st meeting this was more of a conventional defecate with a coronavirus pandemic given the most minutes on the clock. Skirting around the dire covert 900. 00 situation offered a rosy view. It will go away and as i say were rounding the turn were rounding the corner its going away we have a vaccine thats coming its ready its going to be announced within weeks and its going to be delivered cost of shutdown by didnt condemn trumps record of dealing with a crisis a few 120000 americans dead and he want his response to that really should not remain as president of the United States of america were going to have the issue of race was also in focus. Fact of the matter is there is institutional racism in america and we have always said weve never lived up to it that we hold these truths to be selfevident all men and women are created equal guess what we have never ever lived up to put it weve always constantly been moving the needle further and further to inclusion not exclusion this is the 1st president to come along and says thats the end of that nobody has done more for the black community. And if you look with the exception of Abraham Lincoln possible exception a claim that has been repeatedly challenged by critics as patently false nonetheless voters finally got something resembling a substantive debate but it may be too late to have a major impact on the election result a Record Number of americans have voted early and polls show most remaining voters had already decided how theyll fill in their ballot. So all of both try and biden are back on the campaign trail what can we expect from them in the days to come. Yeah so they really have to focus on rallying now because the debate and weve just seen it in the report was the final shot for both of them on the big t. V. Stage with millions of viewers and almost pulled see joe biden 3 leading and donald trump currently is rallying in the state of florida thats a must win state for him traditionally a very conservative state but now it looks like a neck and neck race like in many other states as well and additionally youve just heard it as well he is running out of time because early voting is underway in the United States and for several reasons were having a record turnout of 50000000 voters that have already cast their ballot that has to do with the pandemic on the one hand on the other hand both campaigns are encouraging the voters to turn out and to to not come on election day theres also a big debate on mail in ballots right now so every day counts for for both and especially for donald trump as were getting closer to election day or the silence in washington thank you very much. Poland police in the capital warsaw have clashed with protesters forcing their anger over a quarter warning that bans nearly all abortions in the country the nations top court ruled on thursday that abortions for fetal abnormalities violate the polish constitution and the abortion campaigners including president s on jay do have praised the ruling but Womens Health activists say it will force women to have illegal abortions or go abroad. Their revolution is female they shouted hundreds of protesters marched through warsaw last night against the tightening of abortion law stones were thrown the police resorted to Water Cannons and tear gas the protests were triggered by a ban on abortions by the polish Constitutional Court even when fetal abnormalities are detected to use abortions will only be allowed after rape with incest or if the mothers life is in danger of. Birth defects are the most Common Grounds for abortion in poland this problem and 2 cultures comes on the polish state is illegally trying to ban abortion in poland of course we are devastated that the state is standing against women most of what makes me happy is that people are protesting and doctors are also fighting to oppose it because it was one of the prolife side regard the new legislation as a win for their campaign they have been fighting for it for years. In 2019 there are about 1100 legal abortions in polish hospitals womens rights activists estimate the number of unreported cases to be around a 150000 more demonstrations are planned from this weekend they will be restricted due to new coronavirus regulations. 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