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On the road when the police stop them and told them to come with them. Its also coming up tonight the world is waiting for a vaccine against the new coronavirus today russia said it already has one it has not been tried and tested but the russian president says it worked on his daughter. I know this very well because one of my own daughters was given a does have the vaccine in this sense she took part in the experiment after the 1st strikes in 1000 she had a temperature of 38 degrees celsius but then it subsided she feels good. And to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the woman who ran for president he was now running for her life on sunday flood lunna tea house of sky and was seen as the main challenger in the president ial election in bella ruse she was an english teacher turned political candidate trying to finish what her husband had started now he had been the front runner the man seen as the one who could end president lukashenko has 26 years in power but lucas think of an ally of russian president putin and known as europes last dictator allegedly had the hand of scalias husband arrested which disqualified him from running so mrs scalia took her husbands place after sundays vote the state Election Committee declared the incumbent the winner with 80 percent of the vote protests erupted in minsk one person was killed scalia said the vote had been rigged and she valved to prove it but then she disappeared turning up today in lithuania tweeting that she had fled della reese to save her life and the lives of her family we have more now in this report. Proud of the president on sunday in minsk for the election but. By monday she was gone whereabouts unknown had taim unable to reach her. Now svetlana taken off scalia has reappeared with the sunday message online. Said the companion. You know what this campaign really toughened me and empowered me muse that i could withstand anything. But perhaps im still the weak woman that i was in the beginning but was initially. The opposition candidate has fled to neighboring lithuania as confirmed by the countrys foreign minister taken up scios says she was not forced out of her country and the government also insisted that she left on her own accord. I made a very difficult decision for myself and ive made it absolutely independently the its in the knee give me new play moved many will understand me and many will denounce me and many will hate me. Is that you but god forbid anyone should face the choice that i faced because of those here who prepared a part she came off to share refused to concede defeat in sundays vote Election Officials said of tarrying president Alexander Lukashenko won his 6th term in office with a landslide 80 percent of the verdict took another scale one only 10 percent but has dismissed the results before fleeing she submitted a formal demand for a recount. Thousands of belarusians have also rejected the results taking to the streets for a 2nd night of protests demonstrators in minsk were met by Security Forces who deployed stun grenades rubber bullets and tear gas injuring dozens. Well there has been condemnation of how the vote in belarus was conducted today the European Union took its criticism a step further and suggested it may slap sanctions on bella ruse yet again a statement from the European Council reads the elections were neither free nor fair the people of belarus deserve better since the 2015 release of Political Prisoners the relationship between the e. U. And bella ruse had improved but without progress on human rights and the rule of law the e. U. Belarus relationship can only get worse over more tonight im joined by failings provide 6 with the center for east european and International Studies felix its good to have you on the day i want to start by watching this video which was posted today by. Sky you take a look for someone who is from the rounds possibly armed almost all of them lots of chatter about purpose and that. That would pull our forces to have sort. Of that lasted for a week here for the shares of some past and that tense really wants to be in normal so there is a lot of us who are russian as of course. Dont seem to get the should of us to stay had to get more movement in proportion to student protests they should have passed and they didnt get to see that hes. There she says dont risk your lives dont resist the police what do you make of this video felix. So this video i think is a method that she was all blige to send the russian people are telling their countrymen the regime she really needed to leave the country because hes become a frantic and attic leader resisting look at schenkel end and she stayed in the country and the imprisoned. Discover a monster that could have led to even more protests forcing her out of the country by offering her of to keep her children safe there was a way for the regime to you but to try and deal with this moment of extreme insecurity and accept that you should create is art a show where she made reference to the threat to her family and that decision was taken easily and one taken commentary do you believe her when she says that it was her decision to leave well the rules no i think thats very possible as i said because the authorities needed her to leave and then members of her team also clearly said that she faced on that as a pressure just 3 hours on her in the Election Commission with security representatives. And that gives us an idea of how intense the pressure must have been on her and that ineffective to moving her out of the country in the hope for the regime to there by the table where none of the sales of the mobilization that we see at the moment. The roosters that have a history of opponents of. Having to flee the country. No you need people dont have to flee the country with their own prison before hand so thats what weve seen in the past. Buyable journalists are simply put behind bars. So to my knowledge theres never been a case as media types as important as. This left the country they are cases of journalists or law has left the country the most prominent one is the young person behind the telegram turtlenecks was 23 years old and in the country 28. Running that gentlefolk also that is turned out to be the major that are full of exchange of information at the moment about what is happening and also a lot of the reporting relies on the information that can get through the channel of channel and he has been forced to leave because of this political activists edged knowledge of comparable obviously. To the pressure that we dont see a lot of skill here at the moment so its you have researched extensively young people being political actors and agents of change political change talk to me about what you see happening in. These protests. So the last couple of weeks. Remarkable shift in young people could it be 8 years of this survey is that weve been hearing of this and at least European International studies usually show that around 2 to 3 percent of young people have joined political protests that number is pretty low and people usually say that theyre too afraid of joining protests there are concerns about their personal health as you can see now that are completely vanished. Young people who are really only involved in the opposition compay and then elder people who joins your minister has. Seen in the run up to the elections that tens of thousands of people of all age eventually turned out and after the election here well young people went 1st to the street and they were also enjoyed by people of different age and thats quite important that the protests dont stay confined to young people it sounds like on that age spectrum and what we see now is that likely workers are going on strike that other people are out on the street so you see a very important diversification of who is on the street and the street 8. Very young people its probably a reason for concern for the regime because that means no parents i think theyre very frustrated at regime if 1516 year old gets here is injured in face the Police Violence that weve seen that will upset for the relationship between state and society so hitting brutally on young people this is really dangerous what do you see if you could change if he continues with this crackdown there we see more people dying in protest he has always been able to rely on support from the kremlin can you see. Rushing to support. If the situation becomes bloody youre in deadly. Its not excluded i dont think its the most likely scenario in all honesty i mean look i think were encouraging rather cool relationships for the last few years and there in my grandmother 2100 and cuttin to create the union stage of the russian Transition Program in 2024 and there was no question it was very distance and i think were now finds himself in a 3 front war d a faces the waste of human rights but also russia on and various issues and his own societies i think pushing is not going to rush into better or worse and at the moment the critic in quiet saying elite what is happening in burrows because the weak look i think was certainly favorable to the kremlin because it knows how to deal with him meeting with him for a long time and so they now want to get a place in the kremlin is also a true concern about any of the opposition candidates emerging its future president s will be so not necessarily people hostile to russia so i think thats of another in a position which still quite confident big risk is that the mobilization thats happening been arose biros into russia itself because russias her east is heavily mobilized and they have been links of solidarity protesters and others in the far east in general so if that continues and mobilization cyrus and to russia its army comes right to domestic stability in russia then the kremlin might change its considerations but not all the. Time being let me ask you before we run out of time so it. Is in lithuania now her husband remains in prison in bellary snow if she wants to see her husband again a lot she will not do anything for the big challenge looking shrink do you agree with that stick. I think thats very likely given her family or the importance of would not expect her personal to be more involved in the country but her team is taking over the members of her. Containing relations but still. Taking a bow that is like a crazy woman also there is no. Right to mobilize forces images over a rich person is violence directed. Fillets with the center for east european and International Studies fields we appreciate your time and your insights tonight thank you. Not to commute this morning for the 1st time in the world as far as i know a vaccine against the new coronavirus was registered with an insurance and it is quite effective if sustainable immunity i know this is very well because one of my own daughters was given a dose of the vaccine. Genes deal in this sense she took part in the experiment with. The spinning with me after the 1st injection after the 1st vaccination she had a temperature of 38 degrees celsius the next day a little over 37 and thats it after the 2nd day injection the 2nd vaccination temperature also rose a little and then it subsided she feels good actually. Well there you heard it today russia became the 1st country to register a vaccine against the corona virus a vaccine that has not been tried a vaccine that has not been tested outside of russia a vaccine that russian president putin says is so effective even his daughter has received an injection well worldwide the number of people infected with the coronavirus has now reached 20000000 it comes as researchers around the world are moving at unprecedented speeds to develop a vaccine Scientists Say the early is that a vaccine could be ready would be early 2021 after all trials are completed and the vaccine is determined to be safe and effective those rules apply everywhere except apparently in russia. President putin with the potentially world changing and now instant approval of the 1st corona virus vaccine you say is an issue and i will do it i know that it is effective it provides stable immunity and has gone through the necessary tests but i use. The new vaccine was developed here at moscows gammel a institute you know collections could begin in october but it has only been tested on a few volunteers that the studies will be carried out alongside the production of a new Vaccine Research at the county sheriff says this is irresponsible but of. Course thats just dealing with a hitter created here is something completely new these vaccines arent available yet you dont know how it will behave and what will happen when someone isnt connected with the virus we also dont know how long. Its going to come forward that they need to. Despite many warnings 13000000 doses of the facts seem to be produced in russia this year another 170000000 are expected to be produced by foreign firms in the future. Well my next guest tonight says that russia and china have violated medical ethics in their rush to develop a corona virus vaccine lords gaston is a professor of Global Health law at Georgetown University and director of the w. H. O. Center on Public Health and human rights she joins me tonight from washington d. C. As a gazan its good to have you on the date if you were offered this russian vaccine would you take it. I absolutely would not take it and i would recommend anyone in russia or other places in the world where the russian they try to export this vaccine to take it we have ethical standards and scientific standards for vaccines for a good reason because if we dont if we dont let science take its course we could end up with something that is highly dangerous and in my view that it may have putin is taking a reckless step that could be a gamble for the safety and health of the russian people what do you make of. Saying that his daughter i have been given the vaccine that it works. And why do you say exactly what are you saying that russia has acted unethically. Well. First of all having his daughter be experimented with investigation of vaccine. Is is just is you know it made me shudder you know as a parent or grandparent to think that i would expose my child to. An unproven in that scene that could have severe. Dangerous effects. Is the height of irresponsibility russia has acted against all International Ethical and legal standards. First of all you know even in the early trials russia was experimenting with this on russian soldiers who have questionable ability to say no and to give informed consent to waive the on act you know we already have 8 trials globally including in china europe and the United States there are incredibly and say sorry trials these are war at scale population trials against a placebo. Intil something a shown to be safe and effective in these large scale trials. No Regulatory Agency worth his salt would approve it. Because it could make more dangers it could be less effective if you cause deaths. And so its the height of an ethical International Standards to rush to a vaccine this is not you know we dont want to be the 1st to get a vaccine we want to be the best that scene we can get what can anyone prevent russia from selling this vaccine on the Global Market i mean i and i know that the f. D. A. Could prevent it from being sold in the u. S. But what about the rest of the world. Well you know if any country has a as a Good Government and has a reliable Regulatory Agency like the European Medicines Agency or the us. Administration they would absolutely not allow that drug on to the market and allowed to be distributed or sold in their country that would be. The right thing to do the World Health Organization has strongly urged russia to to be slow to follow International Scientific principles but even the w. H. O. Has not been able to independently verify this these data the institute has not shared its trial data with anyone its not been published in any Peer Reviewed journal im just a couple of weeks ago and they were promising phase 2 trials for an oxford and who had vaccine which showed to the Scientific Community here my data and me said they look good theres been no transparency at russian no accountability and to compare this to kind of the race to the moon or a sputnik moment you want to to bang your chest as a nationalist populist strongman leader that worries me a great deal of as we know the v the fast is that a vaccine analogous to this new corona virus vaccine has been developed was it took about 4 years weve been told yes specter vaccine early next year do you do you think that will happen. He said you there are now is that mentioned 8 vaccines globally that are in phase 3 clinical trials. Theyve all been shown to be effective in early phase one in phase 2 trials we had a lot of optimism about the vaccine i think its possible that by the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2021 we will see one or more vaccines on the market that does not mean that the vaccines are going to be a magic bullet i really do not believe thats the case but i think that they can confer partial immunity and well let you know coverts going to be here through our all of our lifetimes in every country but were going to learn to manage and live with it partly itll be a vaccine that will be at least partially effective perhaps like of the the flu vaccine. It will partly be because well have better treatments and itll all partly be because people have been infected and have some immune remembrance of this virus but its not going away any time soon you know weve surpassed the 20000000 cases mark worldwide and the United States in every means the epicenter of the of the pandemic do you understand why the u. S. Cannot get this virus under control. Sure done everything wrong. And it starts with a leadership in the white house. You know if you were if you were to ask me what is the one thing that countries have who succeeded what have they done that the United States hasnt done and that what i would say the instance of that is follow science have trust in Public Health agencies and have. A consistent message that you need to wear masks and socially distance. The u. S. Hasnt done that the president has personally undermined the c. D. C. And other Public Health agencies and scientists in his own administration and the public are confused theyre not following scientific advice to to wear masks to to be physically distant to have personal hygiene or testing rollout was really very poor and we simply just let it get out of control while we deflected blame to china or to the World Health Organization which i think its unconscionable to support a Great Organization like the w. H. O. In the middle of a geopolitical struggle thats just intolerable im going to talk one minute love refers i want to ask you this really stood to develop a vaccine do you think we have so many people involved racing to be the 1st because they see the vaccine as being a cash cow once they are. You know i think its partly a cash cow partly its legitimate because were undergoing a Terrible Health crisis but a lot of it has to do which kind of strongman leaders thumping their chest. Pluton president trump. In china until that worries me the idea of a sputnik shy from russia or our nation warp speed from the United States thats not the way science operates ok professor Lawrence Gostin director of the devaluation center on Public Health and human rights closer to us and we appreciate your time and your insights tonight valuable information we appreciate it thank you thanks for your information to. 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