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A virus so small your eyes wouldnt see it has become an economic crisis so big. That you simply cannot be seen and this is why the commission is today proposing a new recovery instrument called the next generation. Worth 750000000000 euros. Also coming up the harsh reality on the ground in the United States a 100000 coronavirus deaths and one president who said that would never happen. And i think will be substantially hopefully below 100 number and one is too many no say one is too many is a horrible thing that happened to our country. But to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with what was supposed to be a giant leap for private enterprise as the worlds eyes were all focused on Cape Canaveral florida this hour where some bad weather got in the way of history for today at least its a bold undertaking for the 1st time its hoped that the privately made spacecraft will eventually take astronauts into space nasa and commercial business married in a Mission Like Never before that was the plan today were joining me tonight to give us an insiders take on what we were hoping to see today is keith cowing he used to work at nasa he helped design hardware that would eventually become part of the International Space station he is editor of nasa watch which is the go to web site for specialists and laymen alike he is in washington d. C. Tonight keith its good to have you back on the show. We were talking about space x. And nasa locking out with the weather today but that did not happen in the end did it. Well its a nature of how they do these launches now this rocket has whats called a new cities launch window which means when its your time to go you go if youre not ready for any reason you dont go to the flip side is that they can just turn around within the version or period of time and try again so you get flexibility that goes with the fact that its either now or never what if this had been a Space Shuttle launch for example would we have that flexibility if they had said the weather is too bad today we have to delay. I have been to more Space Shuttle launch attempts than i have been to launches so thats the major difference is that space x. Now has a set up that they sometimes have actually had an abort in the pad they went fixed a couple things and fix it a matter of minutes but today you do to the nature of where the space station is and where florida is they had to go the weather didnt cooperate they couldnt go ok were less than lets focus on this coming saturday and lets lets assume the weather is going to cooperate what what will be different about those final moments before liftoff on saturday compared to other launches i mean were talking about things being substantially different just before liftoff well you know those people on board so that changes the whole dynamic. For the station as the the they were already fueled when the crew going on board now theyre actually fueling the spacecraft while the astronauts are on board which is a bit of a departure but way back early in our space history we did that with the atlas rockets you also sort of note that the way that space x. Does things its a lot sexier smoother will more will produce you know its going on the graphics or on the screen that show you things and so its different for this human spaceflight the nasa ones in that it seems to be a little more made for t. V. A guess is the way they do it but its also Something Else that works well just a different approach yeah i mean you bring up a good point im just i know in the last 24 hours ive heard many people talking about the astronauts space suits and how do you how fashionable they look and how modern something out of a i guess star trek if you will but ive heard the word cool used many times and you didnt always hear that with the Space Shuttle launch is its this maybe the image reignition a rebirth that nasa has been hoping for for a very long time. Yeah and why not make a as a elon musk and others have said youve got a 21st century spaceship why not make it look cool what you would you deliberately make it look ugly and you know why not the suits still work well but why not give something that kids could look at and say no thats really cool id like to wear that suit id like to be an astronaut so sure why not make it acts as exciting as you can possibly make it or in the future lets make it look like the future yeah i mean the aesthetics are really good i have to give them that i warning though if if there is a problem in the future and you know god forbid there be a disaster i can imagine the people saying this is what you get when you allow private enterprise to do what nasa should have been doing and what would you say that. Well you know this is theoretical but weve every person whos lost their life on a Space Mission has lost a wife on the government Space Mission so i mean i dont want to get into the us versus them sort of thing but you know every rockets its ever been built for nasa has been both built by a company the only difference is that now nasa has relegated some of the design aspects to the company say you know those 23 years where you could do this come back to us was light years will pick this but well let you operate it much in the way that you operate in your limeade you dont get on an airplane and they Start Talking to the pilot about how hes going to hit the switches thats what nasa would used to do now its like mt we want to go to the space station give us a right yeah you give us valuable insights there we certainly appreciate it and again as we said at the beginning of the show the watch has been rescheduled for this coming saturday and we hope the weather cooperates then keith cowing joining us tonight from washington keith thank you i think your thoughts. While many look to the skies today others many bowed their heads today to remember and to mourn spain held a minute of silence for the victims of code 19 the disease has taken more than 27000 lives in spain making it the country with the 5th highest death toll in the world spains King Philippe led the nation today as it began 10 days of mourning over the lives lost and the human price paid in the coronavirus and. Well spaniards are not alone in their grief the corona virus has devastated many communities across europe asia and the americas a pandemic that has created a Public Health crisis but it doesnt stop there the lock downs and the shutdowns imposed 3 months ago may have saved countless lives but local and National Economies were forced into an artificial coma and we have discovered that it is easier to paralyze an economy that is to put that economy back on its feet the European Union is now facing its most severe recession in its history the use economy could shrink by more than 10 percent this year some countries such as italy will contract even more today the European Commission president underlying presented a 750000000000 euro rescue plan most of that money 500000000000 is earmarked as direct aid and it will not have to be paid back he. Spoke with or so if underline today after the proposal and the numbers were made public. Madam president you have the big Member States france and germany on your side for your Recovery Fund how are you going to convince the smaller Member States particularly in the north that this is the right plan to move forward i spoke to every head of state or government during the last weeks and it is important that we should keep in mind every member state is affected by the economic crisis so its in our common interest that we rapidly come out of the crisis and that we invest in our european priorities and for that next generation e. U. The Recovery Fund is important. But with money thats memory and we were french of allans so whats your message to those who have been critical or skeptical of the idea to hand out grounds i think during the crisis we saw how easy in the the Single Market can be heavily hampered and damaged when for example the different economies shut down. So the opposite is necessary for our Single Market that we open up again and that we cover fast and that we have the integration of the Single Market repaired rapidly. No member state is able to do that on on its own they are all integrated and dependent on each other which is good because it increased the Living Standards in the prosperity of all Member States and therefore its in our common interest to get the economy back on its feet we need for that grants because the european budget consists of grants but there will also be a share of loans now you have a number of ideas how to get the money back mission trading or digital tax but to put it mildly these are ideas that havent been exactly popular with Member States. The fact that we have an unprecedented situation and that the commission is raising money at the market that has to be indeed paid back over a long period. Increases the awareness that it is a good solution to pay that money partly back to new own resources now its a matter of negotiations with the different Member States but i think as we have in a completely new situation it is worse to go new ways. As theyre speaking with us live on the line and as you saw they are respecting social distancing german chancellor Angela Merkel was one of the 1st european leaders to respond to the e. U. Rescue plan today take a listen the comments would have forced the commission has made a proposal and im not surprised that it is not identical with the one germany and france of mate is of course this proposal contains elements of both what was discussed between germany and france as well as elements of the guarantees and loans that were mentioned by 4 other countries. And now we start negotiating its the 500. 00 you know there are some tough negotiations ahead much of the drive the push to move europes economies forward it will have to come from germany with just a little over a year left in office chancellor Angela Merkel could soon be looking at her toughest ever to do list heres the w. s chief Political Editor metallica for. Yes and in fact we saw the german chancellor vent into previous tippoo territory herself crossing that red line of wanting to allow the European Union to take on debt to fund to give out free money to a certain degree so it looks like the germans hans a may have switched camps to those Southern States that want more support out of brussels with no Strings Attached taps but this is a clear indication of her upcoming role heading the german e. U. Presidency where see one to leave some more room for negotiation once the individual heads of states trying to get this ready for parliament to approve a grand master plan so one thing is for so what we heard today is not the final version of what the leaders will push for in the end. While europe maps out its coronavirus Recovery Plan b. Pandemic is still in its early stages in africa with some Health Experts warning of a worst Case Scenario because african countries are not equipped with enough hospital beds or Testing Facilities most have already taken some action however closing their borders and issuing strict social distancing measures kenya has imposed a nighttime curfew with anyone found outside things in your restaurant quarantine but what about the thousands of Homeless People with nowhere to go. To money reports. Every day at around 1 pm at least 40 men and boys gather here in kenyas capital nairobi one of them a homeless including 19 year old Brian Nichols and theyre all here for lunch delivered daily by a nonprofit working in the city called homeless of nairobi. Despite a coded 1000 outbreak most of them have no masks and when lunch is over they had offer some banter before leaving in Different Directions in this reality social distancing and staying home and not realistic options. To model does not exist doesnt exist or doesnt exist so read blah blah blah all those things and lots of it its there and when it comes and hits one of them and they die. The kids are used to people dying. Which brought him to the city since then this has been his life walking printing and wishing. I asked him how if i told a covert 1000 pandemic has affected his life. With money tell me dont come near me. Are you concerned about the virus. But we just pray that. Brian is one out of an estimated 20000 People Living on the streets in kenya. Each night the countrys curfew comes into effect. The homeless seem to disappear thanks they retreat into these dark corners hidden from Police Officers m. P. s. We meet a mother with her 6 month old baby we knew we were doing god is the only one keeping us alive she says because even if we are afraid of the virus its not like we can steam doors that only the liberal knew brian considers himself lucky to have a roof over his head the organization that provides lunch has rented 2 rooms in the slum for the boys. Brians in this corner and beyond me as he calls his group of friends from the streets take whatever spaces left. My shop on the left is a good time its better than on the streets im free from when i was out there nothing to cover myself but here is something wild. With no prospect of dinner the boys take the chance to show us a river where they wash. Its a daring undertaking. Somehow death feels like its always right around the corner here. Its no wonder that the next morning when we meet brian hes having a cocktail of blue and jet fuel for breakfast the blue keeps the hunger. And the jet fuel keeps reality at bay. And so another day begins as the last one ended walking. Meeting. Wishing. To know where has the been able to spread and kill as easily as in the United States the us replaced italy as the pandemics epicenter back in april this week the us crossing yet another grim threshold the number of people in the us who have died from the virus has now hit 100000 mark u. S. President donald trump has been criticized for reacting too slowly to the pandemic some models suggest that if trump had acted only one week earlier the death toll would now be less than 50000 ill speak with one of the u. S. Is leading epidemiologists in a moment about the Lessons Learned in the chances squandered but 1st this report. Taking the new normal to a new level. Churches are closed in the new york borough of queens but that didnt stop these catholic priests from tending to their flock outside. Many are in need of solace kovac 19 has exacted a devastating toll in new york nearly a quarter of all deaths in the us so far have been recorded in the state thats nearly 25000 people more than 8 times the number killed on 911 it didnt need to be this way says veteran scholar noam chomsky he blames donald trump for the catastrophe theres no coherent leadership its. Grizzled see the word who is in the hands of the sociopathic mogul a marine you know whos interested in nothing but whos a who or. Not surprisingly child seen here playing golf on sunday has a different take on the situation he insists the countrys out of the woods says its time to move on and open up. All 50 states have begun lifting that lockdown its a relief for many especially during the holiday weekend. Each state is easing restrictions at its own pace but concerns are growing that some governors of pushing to open up too quickly because of the need to rescue the economy this is fueling fears of a 2nd wave of infections. You know im glad the show will come because you know more credit youre going to be scum a big week and strip away is too many people who can afford it. Usually the people should nice with a regular normal car and you can i mean those are people you dont want that. Many in the u. S. May be happy to be getting back to normal but the virus has not gone away and experts fear this could translate into more infections and more deaths. On joints not by one of the leading epidemiologists in the u. S. Jennifer horney its nice sounding director of the Epidemiology Program at the university of delaware in new work its good to have you back on the show jennifer i mean if i go back 3 months in time the beginning of march i think the number of confirmed dead 19 deaths in the u. S. Was around 53 months later were at 100 sals i mean how the hell could that happen in such a short amount of time how do you explain that. So i began my career in the wake of the september 11th and the subsequent anthrax attacks and this placed a large amount of attention on building our capacity to respond to Public Health emergencies since the 2800 session the budget cuts that have left Public Health understaffed and underfunded mean that we started the fight against at the end it with a deficit of 250000 Public Health workers in the u. S. I think the other major reason for the failure of the Public Health care science has been the sidelining of the centers for Disease Control and prevention whose initial missteps with regard to tested element and their initial contradiction to federal officials he said the virus was contained in february but then on the outside of our National Response even though theyve enjoyed high levels of traps from the American Public and passed americans its speak their to the politicization of that weve seen in the United States weve seen the c. D. C. Weve also seen that with face masks for example that weve got the u. S. President tweeting making fun of joe biden for where you go facemask what do you think of the politicization of these mass right now what does that say about Public Health in the u. S. Well i think the 1st thing is that there is no place for the politicization of the wearing of face masks in defense of this there was a study that just came out this week that shows. That there are many inconsistent these across nations even across medians and that the guidance for its wearing face masks has been changing rapidly and so to a certain extent its hard for people to know what they should do but we are reaching a point the science where we understand a lot about the highest risk for transmission of coding which are associated with close in or contact with an infected symptomatic person and so the most important thing that you can do if youre sick or having symptoms is to stay home in isolation if possible but since we know that to half the cases are asymptomatic we should wear a mask and wear and close contact with others who are interacting with their indoors and i think the good news is that data has been fairly consistent that asymptomatic cases can spread infection but they tend to be milder and require less hospitalization you know we dont know every one situation theyre coming in contact and its a small individual price to pay for the care so its a good point to make there was a reports i think earlier today that many of the. Body tests being offered in the United States are just not working how do you explain that i think i read maybe a 50 percent of the tests that are out there now on the market cant be trusted. You know so i think theres a tremendous pressure because organizations know that reliable and he did anybody testing is hard of any strategy to fully reopen our economy our schools our universities and we still have far too many questions whether the Assets Available have a high enough sensitivity incessant the city to reliably identify those and the 2nd and more recently concerns of the race in the u. S. About the results from diagnostic and body testing combined in ways that make the percent positivity of the test lower and this is a benchmark that many states are using as part of their strategy. General let me ask you you have seen the coronavirus responses around the world when you put them all together what would be your prescription for International Best practices if we had to go through this pandemic again so im not sure there is a one size fits all approach but some countries have certainly had greater success in their Public Health response in mid march south korea and the u. S. At the same number of code that 90 and south korea continues to have success the aggressive use of contact are you seeing in technologies like cell phone surveillance and much of this has to do with except ability of tradeoffs between individual and community that if this must give it also has to do you with the type of pervasive inequalities in the u. S. System that mean that many would include essential workers lack access to Health Insurance and health care so it seems that in response to that no matter if its capital you need access to you whether that financial or social scientists make their i mean full access were having a hard time. Jennifer warning from the director of the Epidemiology Program at the university of delaware been there we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight we appreciate your insights thank you stay safe and and. The day is always done the conversation continues online join us on twitter at d w news you can follow me a print golf t. V. And remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day see that ever. After. Youre going to enter the European Union indeed thats what the turkish government told the refugees before the coronavirus going to. The us in the family from afghanistan and many others took it at its was. The stance of a painful journey that is still not over. Because on europe. Next on t. W. Its a deadly sin. And a basic human trait. It drives us. And threatens to destroy us. Greed. In part to tending greed is now a matter of survival much is it really something we cant treat a fatal desire. In 45 minutes on d w. But the law says cities will sink into the sea. Container structures its likely to be abandoned. In the water. Its happening faster than anticipated. Necessary are supposed to prevent flooding but the only delayed for. How will we live in the future. 66 me missing sea levels starts transfixed on t w. Hello and welcome to focus on europe we are living in a time when staying at home is the new normal but we want to start todays show by looking at those who dont have a place to call home refugees millions of them are stranded in turkey and their biggest dream is to find safety in europe. Back in february tens of thousands of migrants