Prisoners has seen no shame for the torture that was perpetrated on the lives that were ruined during his time in office. Welcome to conflict so thank you so much thank you for having me ethiopia has a new Prime Minister now happy who took over after you resigned last year hes now received a Nobel Peace Prize basically for doing many of the evils of your government and doing what you couldnt do within a 100 days. Dont you feel something of a failure when you look at what you dont. Know that or because. I have done my share to bring this change to happen. Prime minister abbott has not come from a blue moon it has come from the party which i was at hes 18 you have but hes begun correcting the massive human rights abuses which were a prominent feature of the autoloader traceability this it is that my party which started the reform process and we say. The process should be a deep one to the country basically but also to the party itself so i think that is a process which yielded Prime Minister rabin. Prime minister so he continued with the process pro reform my gender that my party and his party whether thats a Nobel Committee cited his achievements as lifting the country state of emergency granting amnesty to thousands of Political Prisoners for years you always denied there were in the scrapping Media Censorship legalising outlawed opposition groups dismissing military and civilian leaders suspected of corruption all the things that you failed to do when you were in office by the way do you know that 9095 percent of the prisoners been released due to my office. Before i left office and before i resigned so i think what id be did was that remaining 5 percent which has to be released so the decision was a decision of the party. And i took that action before i resigned how many did you release almost 4000000 something how many more than 3000 or so you know where there were many more than 3000 in jail yeah but its only young people whove recently been arrested been released but the main political figures which has been that was to be in their lives during my term before i resigned in may this year the attorney general. Filed criminal charges against your former intelligence chief get touchy. Alleging human rights abuses and corruption hes gone missing that you know where he would i dont know im not in office now i have no information 20 other people were charged with him he had served until june 28th seen. He had served you as Prime Minister who were denying that any human rights abuses were being committed i think youre youre lucky information youre lucky you youre lucky riddance it is my government and my party who had admitted that there has been an issue my rights abuse if you start here off to hear an interview say nobodys being mistreated we have no Political Prisoners one north to the other you gave interviews sitting smiling across the beams of us say oh everythings fine here you know you always go on you have to understand the way how our part to operate was the way of the state in the way you operate within islam if you like yourself let me finish 1st if thats the case then you know that we have a historical. You have to understand that in the 1st place this is a party fighting eft and you know us. When there is a communist mentality and when its a marxist mentality there is a centralism when you go into a terror war your Party Decides one issue even though you have differences in as a minority you take with you so you just hold the line whatever it is because youre too cowardly to say anything about whats really going oh i see is that its no excuse that some sort of misplacing the whole thing is that we believe that in our party and the government that we need to reform our system we need to bring about changes and we need to democratize our country because thats a country we said number of interest this and there is an introduction. Ethnic mobilized politics which is very dangerous and therefore we have we have this a bit that we need to go that in deep sleep in the forming our country for something actual big reason we want to show the thing you didnt do the need were going to have a force think well if you had done that Prime Minister when you came in bam is that abby wouldnt have had to condemn Police Brutality pledged to richer rein in the Security Services tackle what he called economic mismanagement corruption and rights abuses all of this spending far as you want to spin off this is also misplaced see because produce that abby has not come from a blue moon he has been the other way where he came for us and theyre with us hes cleaning up illnesses and no no its not hes not cleaning up his misses hes going to be all messed up the mess you left dark knight i think this is all so misplacing and i really always say that you know correctly this is our partys admission of our collective mistake and then we put in place properly the start of the things that you failed to do by november last year dozens of Intelligence Officers and high level officials have been arrested including people from the military run metals and Engineering Corp met tech on charges of corruption and human rights is this is your level put those charges to that speed that is the study which i introduced 1000000 to be finished i didnt. November last year you were in their office i did it you dont have any business i did it i lunch in the studies and then completion of the 2 studies that action has been taken the attorney general said 63. 00 people had been arrested that months november last year 27 for corruption 36. 00 on charges of Human Rights Violations that included the former head of mattick conflict bagnio a Brigadier General over whom you did nothing you did nothing about and made that study you lucky with this i love the study and a group of people who study the study its charging people with human rights in North Charleston and usually challenged people after you said after concretely when there is a criminal Investigation Unit that investigation has been launched by may 3rd local media said huge sums of money were missing from this company a matter of whether they. Let the let the court decide on it as Prime Minister he was supposed to look after the Public Places the military was supposed to follow your orders. And you for seem to fail spectacularly to make them do that since you feel any remorse at the crimes you were allowed to take place when you were Prime Minister no i think i have resigned because i was not able to you know change dramatically whatever has to come be going to week. I say fiction actually i have my own history in this and i have my own weaknesses and you have to not to look into only the weaknesses but you had to also see the strengths of this country has gone and you know you know that my country has been visited during my tenure by 6 of the 77 leaders and they all announced that this country has been working very hard at double digits grows the economy. Achievements where we have its difficult to our people out of poverty the only country which has actually in. 7 out of this 8 images and now whether the by the United Nations by my time so i think you have to see all those positive things we have achieved last november the last of them was the attorney general. Said investigated her uncovered serious abuses by Security Services at secret prisons in the capital and elsewhere to know what your Security Officers were doing in the single presence i dont know those thieves minds machu picchu ever ask a visit how can i do or if your intelligence doesnt give you information how can you know there were plenty of foreign reports that torture was going on which you do not own it and yawned and now youre telling me you didnt know what was going on or i did it so you said i also fabs your denials were just proforma denials no are not going to lie everything when you were in office no not at all you did you said they didnt know everything you didnt you didnt know what was going on in these prisons you didnt ask you werent interested. They know in his Office Shelley we know some of the appeal of abuse this and i have taken in my time some of the actions. Of those things but i didnt know that there are you know informal presence which has been there the attorney general said there are people who have been blinded and held in darkness for long periods of time others have been left infertile because of blows to their genitals there are some that had limbs broke or women have been subjected to go rape and men have been sort of modest all this happened until your rule so i ask you and she was shame that this was going on can do you will rule no i mean literature assured that when this happened but i didnt know those things and if i knew those things i would architected them because this is a very sacred things happened well it didnt take long for this Prime Minister to find out what was going on so obviously you guys looking in like place and you do not believe you know either you didnt want to look at italian i am near whom for displaying them to art i struggled very hard to bring him to power and i did every you lost your job thats why you gave up you lost control of the party lost faith in you thats why you gave up what i think you can you can say that going to be struggling to control the rest in the country because of the failure case of the eyes were actually to my sense i did it intentionally because i wanted to see that this change should come so i think this is genuinely what has happened and i did my best in paving the way for this to happen so i think that has to be clearly kind of did i did i think a big clearly wriggle of it when we had been in your prisons during your term in office were being subjected to gang rape and men too so the money ization now that you know this even if you say you didnt know it at the time. Was europe. On the g. To the victims i didnt have a political will when they said when they resigned because thats the system which was open to me i meant to give you meant to the victims and apologize personally to them if there is a need to be when you havent done so have you i have i have been to get the chance and i when we have been conciliation and through so many consolation commission stablished and us process is spoiled how do you sleep at night knowing that this was going on in your torture centers carried out by your officials when you were Prime Minister how do you sleep at night if i knew then i say to you that i was there to quote act everything in my disposal if i knew it but i did know that. Your meal your said could be a religious man from a family of pentecostalists the state run strong. How does gang rape and sodomy ization fit in with your religious values no i didnt know i say if a new it doesnt fit in my brain yes but you went on denying it denying it denouncing those going to every interview that thats the report theyre the noisy despite the reports coming early from the human Rights Groups all over the world which you just rubbished you say thats not true theyre outside as there are enemies dont listen to them everything is following you said i think i have never said everything is fine you said there was no mistreated us and said there was no mistreatment going on there is a problem but i was saying that my report is that its not to the extent where has been said thats what im saying by then any case i report which i wish i was giving to the public which which was the case lets take another Detention Center gigo Central Prison otherwise known as jail regional Detention Center in the east of the country but ministered in public by your special police it was closed in august last year you know what was going on there as well no i dont know why not you knew the prison existed and you know youre right you have no duty in our city you have no curiosity mr high among you didnt want to know what was going on in your jails no its not the case you know that if you tell governments have their own rights and i think the whole thing is i did my my work according to the reports they get from my intelligence and from my sources and therefore thats what what was the kids people reported there were many of the former prison those who said they saw people dying in their cells after being tortured by officials in this garden jail and as it was called what should happen to the officials who carried out this torture. I mean what should happen to them theyre in prison and thats it. Just prison sentences and what should happen to you for turning a blind eye to it that depends on the legal system of the country you know either his own simply because to take all the responsibilities but what is extraordinary is that with all the abuses that were carried out when he was Prime Minister you accepted from the new Prime Minister the nations highest award for Service Without even blushing without any embarrassment whatsoever now that you know what was going on while you were Prime Minister why didnt you get back out of work. Why should i because i have a number of positive things i have because you failed to take control this is one part of it and its the incident that says you tallest is when you watch your eyes water kid in my country that doesnt explain thats not the only thing you know i have done many good things there are issues in the system which are a failure which i initiated to inform and the plan that we formed because i understood that age of you know before is admission and a student there are something going on therefore i initiated this reform and then i have released 95 percent of the you were in if you were in office for 6 years and this new Prime Minister has come in and done more for human rights than you did in all the time you were there is because they paid their way for him really the u. S. State department in 2016 published a catalogue of the human rights abuses taking place on the your rule which of course you deny it but there never known to be true arbitrate killings disappearances torture harsher life threatening prison conditions detention without charge no matter where they really werent but thats what they said but how can you say that you didnt know what was going on when all these reports were pointing to what was yes whenever they knew that there are things going wrong i initiated that form and the serious reform and the before and thats the result where the Prime Minister has come into power. You said when you result in that you wanted to be part of the solution in ethiopia how can you be part of the solution when you so much part of the problem. You know i didnt im part of the solution because in there is a problem which would result in procuring to new created the atmosphere permissive out in the sphere in which your Security Officials believed they could torture but it was alright to torture go on torturing disappearing people no judicial exodus no do creating the atmosphere in which that was possible no i didnt create the atmosphere so while crossfire is a landed little institutional system has been established then anyone whos you were there is could be accounted for but i didnt create this this point this should be environment for them it is a deep system which i was not given to look into because of my background and because of my you know i must say that are coming into the deep system so i couldnt see that when mr big came into power he couldnt wait to condemn the legacy of your government and draw a line in the time in office could be a pro last year he said that the government your government had sanctioned torture of its prisoners and said it had been guilty of state terrorism he said it he said in parliament does the constitution say anyone who was sentenced by a court can be tortured put in a dark lot skin doesnt thats the rule that the government was in his eyes were not only mine you were the Prime Minister i was our prize and its all in a fight with you is there also the buck stopped yeah you can literally decided to form including in the accounts of what the responsibility lay hailes not to you how do you yet you this yes it is now to try to get out of it why do you try to get out of his way solution to that form thats why admission that you know why didnt he tell you for the here in a show to show for you blocked every attempt by the United Nations special rapporteur that should tell you it was a girl from. Issued come using the word before you should. Come up from us and the only measure you need locked i release a new block to my list be gating was because you didnt want them to find out what was going on i did and i initiated that if or before my is a mission a year it will undoubtedly for me is that what the result of the pain is that im going to come to power conjured so beautiful light it could all be in him to power hundreds of people were killed in the your regime and you refused to have an independent investigation led by the u. N. Chief human rights official if you ask the killings the last one and half years the number of killings side passed in 6 years what happened in my town if you ask for killings look that the addict is sold the whole thing is you know i initiated this new form a year ago before my dislike mission and i paved the way in for the new system you would have this in the bush was mean you say you are surely to reform you created a regime where people were tortured and disappeared and had their rights taken away from them consistently tens i have our thousands of people i was not needed and while sometimes i get a basket an apology to my people that the region has some abuses of you know who my doubts and the deficit and democracy and that has happened i am and i still feel that and sort of for that but i can dish it out substantial come best not much of an apology as it really isnt a half hearted apology no it is not a new we are not these are you know it would have taken you to the last as many Leadership Program as ours you didnt want your spell you lost the phrase no i havent lost that Security Forces havent watched the army they already have a rest for their big arrest and they should know better that they should have been investigated under your time they were a fine one to continue eyes of the tartarus you know i could have used everything up to the. Last of my bit if you want your spirit is the dictatorship yet you always claim that democracy took time you always said this is a fledgling democracy it takes time and to see this is what every dictator says act the way they just said well if you give ill follow you and use them in europe you pass through a number of civil wars before you can use this you want to present read to you t. J. Says its not our great possibility and thats on the far east this list while they show or even a York United States everywhere in the western countries you democracy has taken power and it has not come in one short and one day and one week and 1000000 it has taken you to much of that school and that will continue democracy is building democratic culture here as good as does everything to slow it down the spine of maariv never shied away from associations or friendships either with indicted or convicted war criminals they hold some special fascination for you these people which runs like mr r. By sheer the former president of the bill in august you posted a controversial picture on facebook of you smiling next to ethiopia as exiled marxist leader Mengistu Haile mariam and then you took it out when there was a huge outcry because this man of course was found guilty in the sense here of genocide by the way i met him incidentally when i was there in some buy when he was in the president s office when i was there in the president s office when i made him and i talked to him so thats what happened in any case and you posted a comment saying i wish to see more former heads of government and states in my country contributing their parts in different capacity of the peaceful transition of political will of the uk that is not me it is the officers there who did it and they say this is wrong. So you dont want mr mengistu with his conviction for genocide to play a part in the new ethiopia i think if we go through tools and then you can see Mission Commission and if he is or should be given a chance to you know to apologize and then anything what the through senator Conservation Commission bleeds into it i then that leaves the country and its a consideration i have a deep belief that we need conciliation what mother says when some of the past even the future is worse of the possible answers that genocide is than something you just you just other see by just feeling our way when you have a little bit it consideration to look to my country explain to me please how a conviction for one of the most serious crimes on the planet would qualify mr mingus to contribute to the well being of your country i would i would imagine with a qualification like that i think it depends on how theyve been conviction for the side of genocide one of the most serious crimes in us you are entirely this holds off because if you can say. Apart it isnt genocide it was the whole marinette for you its not just a few times it is more than genocide where is your truth and Reconciliation Commission it is that has been established and we see that it is that for you years up our time is not by for us it is so youre quite happy for convicted war criminals to come back to your country and play their part good old boy is good all the most efficient procedure last that yes if not then not how should future generations in africa protect themselves from people like you they should democrat on this countrys ground dictators like you know. I think leveling media is wrong is wrong and this is use is not my my people. So i think this is misplacing again this is a good from yourself. Thank you very much for being the carpets and. The. Air the latest craze for billionaire. Luxury yacht party and. Whether its sailing on the high seas. 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