Africas population is growing fast predictions say that by the year 2100 bill before point 5000000000 africans thats about a 3rd of the entire global population so we here in congo the most populous state in the most populous country in africa to find out how exactly that future will look for africa and id like to begin by asking my panelists a general question do you think that the population growth in africa will be a blessing if you believe so please raise your hand interesting do you think its going to be a species raise your hand. Oh wow so it looks like were really split 5050 lets see if its the same answer at the end of this debate its my i want to begin with you because you work for the Population Reference Bureau here should we trust these numbers are they accurate and where do they even come from for me the numbers are accurate because when you look at the investment the agencies like unicef are put into into into research and i think you have no other reason than this. By it is you know its something i have thought about you dont trust your local government or you even your National Government figures you dont truly havent because you only know. When its going to be an. Interest you know so the numbers might not be extremely precise but we know that africans are going to increase and i want to come to sign up because youre an advocate for children and adolescents and specifically against Child Marriage and i want to find out from you why do you think africans are increasing in population where the rest of the world the trend seems like theyre decreasing because. Its like population is increasing and were not doing anything about it in. The increase. Of brains. Age and population these. Ads. And let me come to you because youre working for an organization that actually deals with young boys who have been sort of abandoned or left by the wayside to what extent is overpopulation already affecting the state of congo yeah i think in so many positive and also very many negative ways you know just like be working on which is the education. Bin can you just explain to all of us who might not understand what is an out of marjories someone who travels from one point to another in starts focus on the education that is what is so over time due to so many factors overall population inclusive you know this system has been abandoned by the government and the numbers are too high the children are too much so the infrastructure is stretched and the moslems that is there tootles no longer cutoff for you know the basic needs of the hence the turn into child street bagus yeah thats a very good description thank you for that a so mr director general were hearing that resources are stretched thin are you feeling it when you are governing are you feeling that you dont have enough money to get to the last person enough schools enough hospitals indeed it is very true that facilities stretched at the moment we have 3000000 children in public primary schools this is aside the number we have and schools as well as schools to which means a little forms needed to my needs the education of these children and the government at the moment theres no top of these funds so if the government doesnt have money to take care of the people that it has right now how is nigeria going to take care of itself in the future zeinab i want to come back to you because i really want to get to the heart of this why then are we not we having 5. 7 children thats the average age of number of births paul woman in nigeria compared to one point something in europe why are we still having so many children if its not working if we cant afford it because we lack i think access to parmalee plan and i think there are a productive rights and we are growing presently without and need like make i said in the post place and also do. I mean some really joes on crossfire proctors that is i picked in that also because of the way they did. My rage and the pommy seized him on the not so all these contribute to debt you will find out that some even have to have the abscess because of the. Inclination that dad touched they still holds on to dads so what does islam see about this islamic the number of feet for a given area is sons and to do is the resources exist and there nigeria being one of the 4 for us nation in africa has abundant resources that can for everything but we have been serious problem is management this is why things are going there we seeing it. As far as religion is concerned you can have many children so long as you can take care of them all what are you trying to say in islam. That is the court has the will of dictate a number of children that 1 may get because he his actions his boats and what type you is welcome created where you can lay to it that you cannot have a mystic in what allowed this is why if you have children no matter the number of children if there is Good Governance there would be no problem let me come back to the director general of media at the Governors Office we are hearing that you are actually the reason why overpopulation could be a problem its not the number of people thats a problem its the fact that youre mismanaging the resources that are available. As a country. In terms of quality population data if you do it of quality pollution data there is no room we you can play for the people you misgovernance all. Please rule in the type of population we have in the quality of population we have what do you mean the quality of population. Of quality population an educated. Population that can initiate ideas for the good of the general society let me come to because you have an initiative that sort of empowering young people with regard to this do we have the quality of people that the director general is talking about well i think we dont have quality people we dont have the quality we have absolutely poor people too much of making noise or making actions and we produce a number of children that we cannot cut because the system does not provide enough of an environment if you come to Northern Nigeria you have over 1000 women dying just because they are poor you dont have access to Health Facilities that Family Planning is one of the key thing that we must remember. Family planning is providing a woman to have the opportunity to space pregnancy from one delivery to another one so that she can be strong. But the major problem is that the government who is supposed to be actually in this in your research and then the Civil Society organizations who is supposed to come together to be complementing the government effort the onus will be actually calling on the government is. To look issue its not about the Government Community people their parents have a role if you dont see every individual have a role to play in the community to make this change if we dont see that we continue having a go between the southern part of this country developing on the northern part of politicians spend more time fighting them sort of at the detriment of the future of young people and the ok so youve given me quite a number of points but i want to go to the in my media key because youve mentioned Family Planning and this sounds like its in contradiction to what your teachings are saying so weighs the balance between religion culture and really just being rational. For lenin islam is allowed when there are problems but it is not allowed when it is intentionally mad to check the will of the the idea of let me how 2 people or 3 people like how other people are doing in their culture is prohibited so youre not agreeing with this yes i am against what the mom is saying about the religion is saying you cant get as much as children there you want their religion says you can get children but you cant you cant get shouldnt you cant get out for so i am against that whats the man is saying that you can have a lot of children yes i know muslims in the islamic it says we should have children who we can have the children and we can take care of them is again was a point of correction the what i said is almost contrary to what she said because i believe in islam islam does not allow you to marry more than what you can afford. You either one. If you cannot even if you cannot marry one you are instructed to. But the issue of having law like they are seen they are trying to impose it will able to produce because i know its so dinner. So this is what i want people to know this is why the law is having problem in house of assembly as National Assembly is because you come up with a law partly religiously accepted practically religiously and not accepted so this is where people are allowed to come up with that will be in line was a religion even the issue of but surely should the law be secular it should be biased i mean unbiased so that it can be followed by people of all all walks of life we in can know we have the right to operate our according to the dictates of our culture and that cannot be in line with those who are not like this so this is way house of assembly is it going if you have us laws that has some contrasts in it cannot pass so what then happens if we continue to have all the number of children that we can and as we are hearing the resources are still not going to be available what next then the next is said Good Governance that is through Good Governance that we will report and now for resources to education if we put enough resources to education that will give sound education to people and will sound education we will be able to develop other sectors of life i just want to read a quote from mohammed so no see the 2nd who you all know here the enemy of congo and he was recently of the Un General Assembly and other side event he said and i quote the resources have shrunk and the population has increased youre not going to stop that by having government spend money youve got to address cultural attitudes what age to girls marry how many children do girls have how many wives do men have so hearing this from the emmy and hearing what youre telling me it sounds like youre speaking from 2 different pages exactly you know one thing going if you will be allowed was one child if there is mismanagement of resources you will end of import and employment and hungry so what. By the case maybe eve that lead to resources we have dismissed minutes so no matter the number of children you are ok so youre not agreeing with this. You see let me give us a very very disturbing statistics and can we have over 10000000 people live in kind of state and out of that at 1000000 people in kind of state almost 3000000 children are out of school and out of that 3000000 lets give this one aside and talk about the number of unemployed youth we have over 3000000 unemployed you can count what go out and look at the number of marxists we have around and look at the number of just who have what we have almost 374 choices and understood we have almost 45154000 bucks and comes to the 50 from shinning industries the center of Commerce Center of commerce we have 30000000 out of School Children kind of state but we have a government that rent a photo a china to collect lawn of 2000000000 not to give school for these children but to be used as a treaty and you see in the end you know you have you have countered that in judea almost all 50000000 girls. I might get out before the age of 18 and 15000000 deals. Means the next youre going to produce and in a 50000000 children what is the government doing for these kids it is known by everybody here that our government and the government of congress did recently declared free and compulsory education for every child from pretty basic to basic to Senior Secondary School there is a special focus on girls it is meant to give some amount of cash to parents of girls on condition that these girls will attend school continuously ok allow me to talk to because earlier you talked about quality people who go through quality education and i heard it said that in some classrooms up to 400 pupils in one class so it can be Free Education but is it quality education we came to government about 4 years ago and met this situation and road we decided to devote a substantial amount of our budget to constructing additional classrooms in primary secondary and even intensity is true since this is an issue you will address gradually is not something that you can just say ok it was today let me construct 2 classes for all the children and let me ask you for them because were hearing the governor say the government is trying give us time maybe by the year 2030 itll be a ratio of 1. 00 to 10. 00 students in the classroom but by that time most children of being born one of the immediate risks yeah they media at risk of us that is why we have these you know a chunk of number for young people abusing drugs that is why we have so many unemployed youth and some of the things i feel the government needs to do is 1st of all start to coopt corruption because i dont agree that we dont have enough resources in niger. Its just that the way it was there is. You know along the line every every something would be caught out so you see by the time it comes down to implementation you will not see any impact. By the government to stop thinking out of the box there are so many opportunities that we work in. A scene you know advising the government to latch on to this opportunity you know in terms of funding in terms of Technical Support ok but lets go because were looking at now and the future where then should we had let me speak to him 1st so i think copulation is a blessing to any country and it depends on do with government is minor jeanne of the government for example agreement with. Him for example in china most population. And the most important part of any country. Does the most important thing. You have i could access we would have expansion mystic market investment in our. Resources. To mine is unfair what i usually id like to come to you because were talking about having children and i want to understand to what degree do women have the agency not necessary for Family Planning but even to space their children how much of a say do women have in this country actually i do think they have a lot of say because i just had a baby 5 months ago so i. And there were like 200 women in the queue so i was like my husband and i decided to space you know to perth lets go and check out the child spacing unit honestly. 5 to 6 women and out of that 5 to 6 women i think 3 of them came under all but the hospital said they have to bring the husband a written letter from him signed that he has. Agreed you know for them to do this piecing y. A. Y. Is a i dont even know maybe yeah im leaps line and when you talk about these issues. Because of the issue of gender equality. Because the society im not in disagreement what the. Spokesperson just said like he went out talking about education because if it goes i indicated all discussions will go down so they are not have actually because when they Say Something that we have been yelling since when we. Realized even if this it is realized. Is not even sustainable because you make the ladies to go see young guys will be getting married at a bit young its like 1415 even if. It were caught up and they would get mad even if you said there. You go to the streets a lot of young girls going to see what they did dont get the opportunity to complete its find out cause all these problems and they are not even making any effort to have a bill and even to sign a bill of rights and so that it will address at least. Educational ok let me come to the director general because you spoke directly to him that the idea of Free Education is really incompatible with whats happening right now because youre not even addressing things like Child Marriage indeed things like child murders a short while ago i mentioned that we have this arrangement we have supported by the d. F. Id the condition of the grand scheme where we give monies person goes to allow them to continue. To secondary school level that we find out what is that what will consequences if a parent is found to have given their child out for marriage when theyre too young you refused to take your child to education. Process would be for that. Legal process. Im not a lawyer. And you know i thought it would be like a well known law but ok i want to come back to because. My worry here is this set of women that i met a woman at the child spacing unit she said shes 31 years old she came without without her husband and she was like please come my husband write the letter and signed so i should just give it to them i was like why like whats happening like shes 39 and the last press she had she had she had complications and shes just tired she has 8 children so she doesnt want to you know do it anymore but the husband is insisting that she has to do it again and his salary is just 15000 naira a month so. Its not even realistic so my worry is what is going to happen to decide of women because a lot of them out there they are tired sick but the husbands which are not even able to take care of them still want them to keep giving birth. To let me just because. Nigeria is not overpopulated we dont have because by definition a concept of a population is when the population country is. So if you look at for example. You have. A lot of opportunities and then the other part of. Me is teacher by the way of you having the mom which is actually right is not against that what is some of the money. If it is for the improvement of the health. Because by the time when is pregnant and then she gives 3 months 4 months she could become pregnant the body is not back to normal and this is where we have many more. So i think these now time for us to start coming together government. Is not only law but implementing the people that are closed doors that we elected who are presenting laws presented from history to decide if you would and im looking forward to see that we are calling them back on them to see disses what we want guys if not next number 2 to 3 is not going to be taken you know we are going to impeach you and dump you in prison so why havent you done that already because nigeria has been independent for many years because the way it would to to do it would succeeded in dividing the whole population of the young people people to do this Political Group and then you see the other one when by themselves calling themselves including themselves many many dead to descend go friends sort of descend out of syria ok ok one second cliff i want to come to you because i read something you said that the mindset of north of nigeria is about 200 or 3 years olds it needs it needs to be updated ok what can we do then to change this mindset so that the number of young people who are coming into the population a productive innovative all these things were talking about. We have to do our values you know from think just like my brother was saying from thinking that ok if im poor im married out another wife to knowing that im responsible for my family for their clothes for what they eat on where they live you know and after that we have to also encourage young people to not just good through formal schools you know busy education is to let me give you a story just like this. The risk are too high they are too high that is why you see you know crime you see violence kidnapping bundy tree you know that is where you see all these things and i think it has a lot to do with population but it also has a lot to do with orientation because. Has direct link with population so i think this 2 things out have to be done because this risk are too high and you know the danger is too much really intimate like to come back to you. Let me ask what would happen if the government of Nigeria Today the federal government said that the problem of population growth is too big in nigeria and we now have to cap the number of children to one per woman without work. Is is just an assumption the question is based on the assumption yes of course but im asking you is this something that you think could work in nigeria in cannes or even in africa it will walk somewhere and it will not walk somewhere. My prediction is. That. People that is in line with their culture and believe will accept those that see it as negative will reject this is my assumption its one who we were able to do once and that is empower and creates awareness and late in begin chait give them education because this idea people that are given by it so if you give them away and if that if you need this is the point is that will happen if there is population crisis in the country so its never led to the type of the number of children that youre going to be given back to you can talk to the husband look im not eager to get married because of im not ready to go but because of my Health Condition because of you can enlighten them even to people in the areas and once in the city so information for you is what would they mom is refusing but im not going to stay there because i dont want to start a war i would like to ask the question i started with is the population growth in africa were talking about 4000000000 people in the year 2100 is that going to be a blessing who agrees. 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