Going to happen to this set of women because we are tired they are sick but the husbands still want them to keep giving birth. Africas population is growing fast predictions say that by the year 2100 bill before point 5000000000 africans thats about a 3rd of the entire global population so we here in congo the most populous state in the most populous country in africa to find out how exactly that future will look for africa and id like to begin by asking my panelists a general question do you think that the population growth in africa will be a blessing if you believe so please raise your hand interesting do you think its going to be a species raise your hand. Oh wow so it looks like were really split 5050 lets see if its the same answer at the end of this debate is my and i want to begin with you because you work for the Population Reference Bureau here should we trust these numbers are they accurate and where do they even come from for me the numbers are accurate because when you look at the investment the agencies like unicef are putting in to enter into research and i think you have no other reason than this for statistics. It is you know its something i have thought about but you dont trust your local government or you even your National Government figures i dont. Think because youre only going to play this number when its going to be an. Interest you know so the numbers might not be extremely precise but we know that africans are going to increase and i want to come to zeina because youre an advocate for children and adolescents and specifically against Child Marriage and i want to find out from you why do you think africans are increasing in population where the rest of the world the trend seems like theyre decreasing well because theyre not. Increasing they by d. And were not doing anything about it in. The increase. Of grades given by that very young age and. These. Problems. And let me come to you because youre working for an organization that actually deals with young boys who have been sort of abandoned or left by the wayside to what extent is overpopulation already affecting the state of congo yeah i think so many positives and also very many negative you know just like the working on which is that the education. Bin you just explain to all of us who might not understand what all material is another marjories someone who travels from one point to another in starts focused on the education that is what is so over time due to so many fucked overall population inclusive you know this system has been abandoned by the government and the numbers are too high the children are too much so the infrastructure is stretched and the moslems that is there tootles no longer cutoff you know the basic needs of them hence the a turn into child street bagus yeah thats a very good description thank you for that assume mr director general were hearing that resource is a stretched thin are you feeling it when you are governing are you feeling that you dont have enough money to get to the last person enough schools enough hospitals indeed it is very true that facilities stretched at the moment we have 3000000 children in public primaries schools this is aside the number we have in running and schools as well as schools too which means a little forms needed to my needs the education of these children and the government at the moment the snorts have these funds so if the government doesnt have money to take care of the people that it has right now how is nigeria going to take care of itself in the future zeinab i want to come back to you because i really want to get to the heart of this why then are we not we having 5. 7 children thats the average age of number of births by woman in nigeria compared to one point something in europe why are we still having so many children and if its not working if we cant afford it its because we lack as an access to partly plan and i think there are a Productive Health rights and we are growing to leave without any need like. I said in the post place and also in. Really jones and of course her part does that is i picked in that also because of the weight like to do this the stem of my age and the prime least him on the not so all these contribute to debt you will find out that some women have to have the access because of the. Inclination that dad touched they still holds on to dads so what does islam see about this islamic the number of feet for a given area is thompson to do is a resources exist and there nigeria being one of the 4 for this nation in africa has abundant resources that can for everton but we have been serious problem based management this is why things are going there we seeing it. As far as religion is concerned you can have many children so long as you can take care of them all what are you trying to say in islam. That is the court has the wheel of d t to number of children that 1 may get because he his actions his books and what type you is welcome to it. That you cannot have a mistake in what. He says why you have to drink no matter the number of children if there is Good Governance there will be no problem let me come back to the director general and media at the Governors Office we are hearing that you are actually the reason why overpopulation could be a problem its not the number of people thats a problem its the fact that youre mismanaging the resources that are available no jury as a country is likely in terms of quality population data if you do a top quality population data there is noone we you can pull on for the people you misgovernance all. Play is the rule in the type of population we have in the quality of population we have what do you mean the quality. Of quality population of an educated. Population that can initiate ideas for the good of the general society let me come to because you have an initiative thats sort of empowering young people with regard to this do we have the quality of people that the director general is talking about well i think we dont have quality people we dont have the quality we have everything absolutely poor people are too much of making noise or making the actions we produce the number of children. Because disses them does not provide that and. If you come to Northern Nigeria you have over 1000 women dying just because they are poor they dont have access to Health Facilities and that Family Planning a spade is one of the key thing that we must remember. Family planning is providing a woman to have their porch and its you to space pregnancy from one delivery to another one so that she can be strong. But the major problem is that the government who is supposed to be actually do this in your research and then the Civil Society organizations who is supposed to come together to be complementing the government effort the onus will be in part to actually call on the government as it was so i took another chance to look hard disk issue its not about the Government Community people to parents have your role if you dont see every individual have a role to play in my community to make this change if we dont see that we continue having a go between disown them part of this country developing on the northern part of politicians spend more time fighting them sort of a detriment of the future of young people and the ok so youve given me quite a number of points but i want to go to the in my media key because youve mentioned Family Planning and this sounds like its in contradiction to what your teachings are saying so weighs the balance between religion culture and really just being rational parmalee for lenin islam is allowed when there are problems but it is not allowed when it is intentionally mad to check the will of the the idea of let me how 2 people or 3 people relate how other people are doing in their culture is prohibited so youre not agreeing with this yes i am against the human is saying about the religion is saying you know gets as much as children they you want their religion says you can get children but you cant you cant get shouldnt you can get out for so i am against that whats the money in saying that you can have a lot of children yes i know muslims in the islamic it says we should have children but we can have that shouldnt we can take care of them is again was a point of correction in the what i said is almost contrary to what she said because i believe in islam islam does not allow you to marry more than what you can afford. You either one. If you cannot even if you cannot marry one you are instructed to. But the issue of her being law like they are seen they are trained to impose. Able to produce because a rule is to dinner. So this is what i want people to know this is why the law is having problem in house of assembly as National Assembly is because you come up with a law partly religiously accepted practically religiously not accepted so this is where people are allowed to come up with that will be in line with their religion even the issue of but surely should the law be secular it should be biased i mean unbiased so that it can be followed by people of war all walks of life we in can know we have the right to operate our according to the dictates of culture and that cannot be in line with those who are not like this so this is why house of assembly is it going if you are passing laws that has some contrasts in it cannot pass so what then happens if we continue to have all the number of children that we can and as we are hearing the resources are still not going to be available what next then the next is said Good Governance that is through Good Governance that we will report in now for resources to education if we put enough resources to education that will give sound education to people and will sound education we will be able to develop other sectors of life i just want to read a quote from mohammed so no see the 2nd who you all know here the enemy of can know and he was recently of the Un General Assembly and other side event he said and i quote the resources have shrunk and the population has increased you are not going to stop that by having government spend money youve got to address cultural attitudes what age to girls marry how many children do girls have how many wives do men have so hearing this from the emmy and hearing what youre telling me it sounds like youre speaking from 2 different pages that. Really you know one thing going if you will be allowed was one child if there is mismanagement of resources you will end of info but to implement and hungry so what they are by the kids may be eve the little resources we have dismissed money its so no matter the number of children ok so youre not agreeing with this ismael you see let me give us a very very disturbing statistics and counting we have over 10000000 People Living in kind of state and out of that egg 1000000 people in kind of state almost 3000000 children are out of school and out of that 3000000 lets give this one aside and talk about the number of unemployed youth we have over 3000000 unemployed youth in congo but go out and look at the number of marxists we have around and look at the number of just we have what we have almost 370 fortresses and kind of state we have almost 45404000 bucks comes to be 50 friendship in industries the center of Commerce Center of commerce we have 30000000 out of School Children kind of state but we have a government that rent a photo you china to collect a lot of 2000000000 not to abuse schools for these children but to be used as a treaty and you see in the end you know you have you have countered that in judea almost all 15000000 girls. I made it out before the age of 18 and 15000000 deals in means the next year im going to put it under the 50000000 children what is the government doing for these kids it is known by everybody here that our government or the government of coniston recently declared free and compulsory education for every child from pretty basic to basic to Senior Secondary School there is a special focus on girls it is meant to give some amount of cash to parents of girls on condition that these girls will attend school continuously ok allow me to talk to because i know you talked about quality people who go through quality education and i heard it said that in some classrooms up to 400 pupils in one class so it can be Free Education but is it quality education we came to government about 4 years ago and met this situation and road we decided to devote a substantial amount of our budget to constructing additional classrooms in primary secondary and even intensity is true since this is an issue you will address gradually is there something that you can just say ok it was today let me construct 2 classes for all the children in town let me ask you for them because we are hearing the governor say the government is trying give us time maybe by the year 2030 it will be a ratio of one to 10 students in the classroom but by that time more children have been born one of the immediate risks yeah the media interest car of yours that is why we have this you know a chunk of number for young people abusing drugs that is why we have so many unemployed youth and some of the things i feel the government needs do is 1st of all start to cope corruption because i dont agree that we dont have enough resources in the. Its just not the one. You know along the line every every something would be caught out so you see by the time it comes down to implementation you will not see any impact. By the government to stop thinking out of the box there are so many opportunities that we work in. A scene you know always advising the government to latch on to this you know in terms of funding in terms of Technical Support but lets go because were looking at now and the future where then should we had let me speak to him 1st so i think copulation is a listen to any company it depends on do with the government is my energy in the affairs of the government for example agreement with. Him for example in china most population. And the most important part of any country. Does the most important thing. You have. Access you have expansion in the mystic market investment in our. Resources to the issue is just. Unfair what i usually id like to come to you because were talking about having children and i want to understand to what degree do women have the agency not necessary for Family Planning but even to space their children how much of a say do women have in this country actually i do think they have a lot of say because i just had a baby 5 months ago so i. And there were like 200 women in the queue so i was like my husband and i decided to space you know to birth like lets go and check out the child spacing unit honestly. 5 to 6 women and out of that 5 to 6 women i think 3 of them came under all but the hospital said they have to bring their husbands or a written letter from him signed that he has a. Agreed you know for them to do to spacing why or why is i dont you know maybe. When you talk about these issues. Because of the issue of gender equality. In disagreement what the government. Doesnt just say it like he went out talking about education because it goes i indicated all these issues will go down so they are not have actually because when they say pre education this is something that we have been yelling since when we. Realized even if this it is realized. Is not even sustainable because. The lady said to go see young guys will be getting married at a video and its like 1415 even if this had it when caught up and doing good might even if you said. You go to the streets a lot of young girls going to see what they did dont get the opportunity to complete its. Cause all these problems and they are not even making any effort to have a bill to sign a bill. That it would address at least. Education ok let me come to the director general because you spoke directly to him that the idea of Free Education is really incompatible with whats happening right now because youre not even addressing things like Child Marriage indeed things like child murders should mention that we have this arrangement. Supported by the d. F. Id of the condition of the grand scheme where we give monies person goes to allow them to continue. To secondary school level that we find out what is that what will a consequence is if a parent is found to have given their child out for marriage when theyre too young you refused to take your child to education. Process would be. Legal process. Im not a lawyer. I thought it would be like a well known law but ok i want to come back to because i oh yes oh my my worry here is this set of women that i met a woman at the child spacing unit she said shes 31 years old she came without without her husband and she was like please come my husband write the letter and signed so they should just give it to them i was like why like whats happening like shes 39 and the last press she had she had she had complications and shes just tired she has 8 children so she doesnt want to you know do it anymore but the husband is insisting that she has to do it again and his salary is just 15000. 00 naira a month so. Its not even realistic so my worry is what is going to happen to decide of women because a lot of them out there the i tired sick but the husbands which are not even able to take care of them still wants them to keep giving birth. To let me just quickly. Nigeria its not overpopulated we dont have because by definition a concept of a population is when. A country or a place is. So if you look at for example. You have. A lot of opportunities and then you start. By the way of you have been. Which is actually right is not against that what is some of the money. If it is for the improvement of the house. Because by the time when is pregnant and then she gets 3 months 4 months she could become pregnant the body is not back to. Where we have many months. So i think these now time for us to start coming together government. Is not only you know but implementing the people that are closed doors that we elected were representing those are representative from history to decide if you would and im looking forward to see that we are calling them back on them to see disses what we want guys if not next number 2 to 3 is not going to be taken you know we are going to impeach you and dump you in prison so why havent you done that already because nigeria has been independent for many years because the way it would to to do it would succeeded in dividing the whole population of the young people people to do this political groups and then you see the other one when by themselves calling themselves to improve themselves many many dead to descend girlfriends sort of descend out of syria ok ok one second cliff i want to come to you because i read something you said that the mindsets of north of nigeria is about 200 to 3 years old it needs it needs to be updated ok what can we do then to change this mindset so that the number of young people who are coming into the population a productive innovative all these things were talking about. We have to do our values you know from think in the just like my brother was saying from thinking that ok if im poor im married out i dont know the wife to knowing that im responsible for my family for their clothes for what they eat and where they live you know and after that we have to also encourage young people to not just good through formal schools you know basic education is to let me give you a story just like this. There is to hype the are to hype that is why you see you know crime you see violence kidnapping bundy tree you know that is where you see all these things and i think it has a lot to do with population but it also has a lot to do with orientation because. Has direct link with population so i think this 2 things out have to be done because this risk are too high and you know the danger is too much really intimate like to come back to you. Let me ask what would happen if the government of Nigeria Today if the federal government said that the problem of population growth is to begin nigeria and we now have to cap the number of children to one per woman would that work well is is just an assumption the question is based on assumption yes of course but im asking you is this something that you think could work in nigeria in cannes or even in africa it will walk somewhere and it will not work somewhere. My prediction is. That. People that is in line with their culture will accept and those that see it as negative will reject this is my assumption its walk through we were able to do one thing that yes empower and creates awareness and late in the game change them education because the side people that are given by it so if you give them a one is that if you need this is the quince occurrences that will happen if there is a population crisis in the country so its left for you to have bled the type of the number of children that youre going to be given back to you can talk to the husband look im not able to get my to because of im not ready to go but because of my Health Condition because of you can enlighten them even to people in the areas and once in the city so information for you is what would they mum is refusing but im not going to stay there because i dont want to start a war i would like to ask the question i started with is the population growth in africa were talking about 4000000000 people in the year 2100 is that going to be a blessing who agrees. 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