Taiwanese continue to reject its one on a party to offer. A way that welcomes comfort zone thank you very much for inviting me. You said the only way to resolve antagonism between china and 2 i one is to talk and to love. To know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world thats your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in Mainland China as long as you dont support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you so then say the wrong thing otherwise right right and you know you are not realize that you think thats a normal way to live but a power across 180 kilometers of the strait says to you if you see the wrong thing you finished why dont you think i dont think its that serious you have to be serious you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as i one why do european people all the people around the world are all the members in the e. U. And try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems its true that you know that as well as i do its not a human rights record is there working history we can do that too apart from trade what exactly does democratic time i were having common these days with one Party Communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power they dont you have independent courts they know you have a free press they dont you can speak out against abuses of power and they cant what on earth have you got in common with Mainland China and. I think we should emphasize differences. Go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change instead of being their enemies go their walk with them you can change. Whether you are doing with them now what you do country about human rights what im not doing in china is that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade Surplus China with nailon rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently while china is not using force to press down be demonstration why they compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the military pressure from china is not even 2 years ago your Governments National defense report highlighted concerns that Chinese Military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan states now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seeing the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think thats meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the election in tell you why and so us is coming here to interfere are. You happy with these bullying turnouts because thats what they are not happy about bullying thing but im not what i was doing im happy about you know we can do persons with each other we can ask of china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. If you want to live in history you want to live in the now i want you little universe in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someones enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someones friend always known you even if you have friends if only like ok let me tell you one wild thing why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35. 00 and the us is selling f. 35. 00 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the United States gave the galley island to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why the us is doing that to taiwan this show can teach and Vice President of the Taiwan Foundation for democracy so last month lets move on to more taiwanese feel their nation is now under existential stret and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you dont feel a. Lot of the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. I know whats the facts i know you have to give your do from you long have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the big city mayor i work with the city in one gene i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate carbon emission Environmental Issues education issues will work with them about what magic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curiosity china didnt remember this you lost in the lead in 28 teams to the right to chinese russia youve now got intersection using an engine fake you you recognize china you dont recognize the the republic of china you will recognize it because if im going to talk about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were the representative of china before 971 and the un i talked. About if you strip and this is going to be artistic you know im telling the fact we exist here that the are we seeing this is here and thats what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldnt now is the hour see here you recognize the p. R. C. Rates what in the e. U. When i read an article recently we hear 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i say i think you should be defined like this we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and mark up mr. Youre not talking about china that continues to thwart ones participation in the International Organizations like the World Health Organization or the interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to sign up and i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agree. As you know being asked why do you never criticize your maybe i just as i must Pay Attention everybody i think when you say again why no no mention i too no dont you read the letter i didnt say that weve read a lot of i have a tad of science to express my opinion about china its not time we started to set up this is wrong this is what oh yes i have here one more thing the un the e. U. Even germany you recognize the p. R. C. You dont recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the our scene you know how to participate doubly h. O. Ok i and you see the chinese on the lock that we have a lot of us they should try to talk we were talking as what we should try to those results i didn t. Intend to such great reality that can t. Did that can t. Try to talk to Mainland China time they tried and sounded trite yet they tried to do let us put his a magic show especially today h. O. And i see it or mr churchill beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan where you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the Mainland China is Crystal Clear what it wants from you and thats reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesnt it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness same to the not you cant come dancing you couldnt possibly constitution ok theres only one china policy. And that includes mainland taiwan hong kong and michael thats in our constitution we should buy and buy our countrys Constitutional Rights youre being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the Chinese People he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks youve been having with china hasnt got them out of the vat idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification of under 3 percent there or about that im going to worry about what the rand paul thing about you dont know about what a lot of people up i think but dont worry about their threatening words why dont you stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you whether we stand up to that but in our district you really remember taiwan must and well ok and i did with john have you got some out to me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of our norse to show you our last word china saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. The people who talk to the people dogs thats in our law and the constitution people they did it doesnt matter what their country why they want to try to amend the constitution thats your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in Mainland China but not fighting against them not taking down s. And anime trying to be their friends and tried to change them by participation perhaps like what you do and where do you go thats working so well the the reality is mr joe the push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into a very difficult position doesnt it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she jinping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you dont have a policy of standing up to it so you do have a policy. I declared that i claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan mean less young chance 23000000 people want taiwan against the courage it is made a 1000000000 that is my partner see i did see one percenters thats fantasy you have to remember the austrian capital. In the world you have to understand the history in the world whats happening now unification separation yes yes thats the process unification separation separation unification. Thats a track of the history but theres one thing very important i also learned wrongs never mind the track of westerly track of history is just words is the talk of you know you just know its the fact the question is what people want to know human nature is that the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification to me of a time or have you ever stood up to china i say and out of your pursuit of them i stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what on human rights issues through yes really yes you can do when you can not exactly what can and then actually an accident happened that was 30 years ago i would be told down to years whenever i went to china i told dont you need to introduce democracy to your society or theyre listening yes will you isnt it so ill see the 1st of the brightest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists Human Rights Watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in force disappear yes and you say nothing about that. Have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you dont know my history the only way i have the many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve thats human rights thats International Standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you dont participate if you dont join them if you dont treat them like they can improve there nothing good is going to happen and what im blind here its a fine line between that and the Peace Movement isnt a yes its a very fulsome fine line its very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. People know that never spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leming che its more than human chains more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you havent heard of him bleak chair its more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in chinas province and charge was subversion of state power hes a citizen of taiwan you dont talk about you dont even know hes let me know hes in terrible conditions human Rights Groups around the world have been campaigning for his release you know one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail cant get phone calls cant get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. And you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese communists to release and as suspects a lady who just got married and who was released recently i talked to our government. Went down was the ruling party and they didnt step in they didnt try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just at the in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to Work Together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do lets talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok thats the law right. For what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems for us that forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a political party. The prevention of elected Legislative Council is taking their seats because they didnt like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems thats the system is offering you one country 2 systems i suggest you take a look whats been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party p. P. P. Who claimed they would protect human rights they can say with no i have to tell was embarrassing thing happening here thats the reason why its so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to marshal law here doing something even worse and there is one law related to National Security you know thats what they are doing here our ruling party here. Of course we created size the Hong Kong Government especially the council tried to establish a law which hong kong residents disagree and it doesnt trust sold that little you believe is casual back to your chief executive kerry lamb the chief exec shes beijings appointee of russian history pointy even socalled elected by some hong kong representation. Why hasnt she been more people. Thats come from people is there democracy is serious system as can compete then we come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they withdraw the last draft right theyve suspended it this is it was not they still there said they have said its day said they would drop because they did something wrong in the meat i think theres something proceeding with it but not now thats thats whats happening before now they say their words. Youre satisfied its over now im not satisfied about that im worried about whats happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we dont read the that or thats not going to happen thats not going to happen then you mean hong kong is not going to have different systems from china a system isnt the last thing i think the system what should exist because thats the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system is you know is a given dont try to violate that its going to embarrass them just to show isnt a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesnt live up to its promises of democracy isnt that the lesson i think and i think talking and one thing i love china i dont live up to the note on this i have to think we should try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st single to them well how do you know i didnt say no to them. Doing that ive been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them. I say improve your system especially a democratic system and they step up their interference with well. Look at the propaganda war thats being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said youre one of chinas major targets for spreading this information happy about direct interference well i think. We are all see so called the taiwan should be more more opened to outside world especially western society are avoiding we question are doing is just information came here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems well theyre open society but not open enough to the outside world or people of how many English Speaking channels here so take a look about how many how much International Media are existing here in taiwan were not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here try to close the door. Try not loz you know we are one we. Know should we or you we we emphasize local lies ations so much instead of internationalization thats what you dont want to see more going on here is who do you know when you really mean is ourself 1st you dont want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change this idea that you can make sure that chile which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your. Well if youre selling fantasies like that well no were not selling fantasy. Be realistic its a difficult competition. Why dont you try to realize what d. P. P. Can do p. V. P. Is the one who can answer the really ill action why dont you take a look what were fighting for while fighting for true democracy here and did b. B. C. Ruling democracy while trying to build a peaceful relationship with china with the mainland and were trying to create a Better Society here while trying to introduce your systems your values here to taiwan where trying so hard to do that if we want to come dance of people here that can keep this country perfectly well then we have to respect the democracy we have to open our society to the outside world we have to be honest to our people the bad by our ruling party is cheating our people well the bad news for you is that a plurality of taiwanese 45 percent dont identify with your party or the ruling d. P. P. Do take a look take a look at youre right youre right they dont trust the parties here yeah dont trust us then dont trust them they dont trust our party youre not saying anything that they think is relevant what i believe theyre what they are saying is relevance we realize the fact already people dont trust the parties here people dont trust the politicians here which is why i would think i trust you i mean you you said in the 2nd probably debate were going to have some primaries you claim that the number of times when these people below the poverty line was believed to be around 3800000. Which is a fact simply not true which is simply not true its true that if you research you know essential says taiwan proportionally contains fewer People Living in poverty than any other country in asia now now most of your almost no time no i mean some of them on less than 2 years on those under us and to me patients leave you know when i was the me here in tempe county. They are around one quarter of the students can afford their lunch thats one quarter if you times that proportion to the total population here in taiwan im telling you the facts and im right balanced hello im telling you the fact thats not the facts thats the fact im telling you the fact why dont you listen almost no time when he is live on less than 1. 00 u. S. Dollars a day thats noble put out to the dad that is thats really the heart of poverty thats growing all over the nation of poverty is different really my definition as you are doing it is not knowing who wrote yes relative to every minute yet thats my definition and ubiquitous as my donation you live in so i can tell you if any student cannot afford their lunch then hes and his family is living in poverty thats my definition if it all goes wrong here in taiwan and she jinping loses patience and somebody says something they shouldnt say. And china looks as though its moving towards an invasion would you fight for taiwan. Or not where do your loyalties lie mr cho loyal to our country the republic of china well loyal to our constitution you would you fight your show you know yes yes yes if they violate kids our constitution to preserve and protect our people and defend our people ill fight against china so she way youre going to have your comfort zone thank you. As the x x. X x x. X. X x. Countrymen to the International Touch job for journalists discuss the topic good to meet a decisive showdown over threats at this week as tory step up their own Prime Minister push to defeat could a last minute revolt say in the u. K. From a no deal brant said and perhaps topple Boris Johnson to find out about. Quadriga 90 minutes on d w. Its all happening go to visit a funny. Story link tunes from africa and the world. Your link to exceptional stories and discussions kenya will come to student news after Going Program tonight from for an examination from the news of these events and what i would say d. 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