Forum involving. Algorithms are everywhere and they are increasingly changing the way art is made so what does this mean if the successors to some of our greatest Creative Minds shakespeare rembrandt or even beethoven are in fact High Performance machines art has always been a defining feature of our humanity so are we perhaps at the end of an era and can i be truly creative these are questions well attempt to answer with a Diverse Group of guests give them around of applause please ladies and gentlemen. And please allow me to introduce them bethlehem dessie is here all the way from. Today touted as the youngest pioneer in ethiopias fast emerging tech scene so her focus is on training women in ai she does this at i called labs which is one of the involved into. Well up in the famous humanoid robot sophia who is over here on my right give a round of applause. My close gabriella the german philosopher and bestselling author says that its precisely human imperfection that will be our greatest strength and our stupidity makes us clever. Raghav r k k is a multidisciplinary artist from india hes also a curator and cofounder of 641 thats a collective that focuses on ais place in the realm of contemporary art welcome all the way from india. Are here to my left ales from london and calls herself a storyteller of the future and her work has been exhibited worldwide and as an immersive filmmaker she wants to raise viewers awareness such that they can survive the radical technological changes that are to come. And last but not least farland thinks that we all need to get up to speed on ai because machines are already deeply deeply involved in our human culture as Vice President of the Frankfurt Book Fair he also lays between fascination with and refusal of the Creative Power of machines which by the way happens to be the title of his latest book war welcome to america we thank you gentlemen to the fact that ai has indeed made significant inroads into the arts lets start with a quick overview of just how far theyve got. Content myself a blog robot recently seen at the vet is the enemy and controlled by Intelligence Software not an isolated case robots an ai has long figured on the art scene artificial and artistic intelligence seem to work well together something something. On the french collective obvious uses to create his paintings. That with thousands of portraits from the 18th century the system recognizes patents and produces images in the respective style this is how the fictitious family bellamy was created. Not convincing on the contrary the ai painting at montebello me was option that christies last autumn for around 385000 years. Designed Philippe Starck from france presented the chair ai in milan. It was developed with the help of Artificial Intelligence. Humans create the vision the software grinds out hundreds of designs even the final product a only as an extension of the imagination. Of film Science Fiction starring David Hasselhoff the story all generated by computer programs by hundreds of screenplays. The dialogue and content may not always make sense. There is more than just infinite monkeys typing of course. I. But then people dont always create masterpieces either. Music the ai system relentless doppelganger and endless metal live stream on you tube the ai plays around the clock. Human musicians cant do that but what really is the point. Of Quick Reaction bethlehem dessie to what you just saw there what scares me at least. Is. The data especially the creativity that comes from the machines i feel like its especially one sided right from global point of view when you see it specially when you come from africa theres not a lot of these creative paintings so i music thats being represented in creating these creative art or music ok thats a very interesting point and we will get to that thanks very much to bethlehem does the microscopic whats your Immediate Response upon seeing some of that stuff well i think in that painting on your on your wall well i dont think its a painting of a matter of fact it doesnt qualify or not at all i mean you might think its a painting about its not but theres something that humans have produced namely a machine that produces Something Else so its not really a i doing anything and i think so theres a fundamental mistake in describing this art will also be coming back to this is not art a tall and frightening or enriching or how whats your take on what you saw there basically what we saw is imitations of creativity or imitations of art and with all what ai is able to produce at the moment in the Creative Sector we see a lot of these imitations and we see very limited possibilities of actually being creative on its own because these systems dont have a personality they dont have the will to be creative i believe that were into photography moment for me its forcing us artists. And us humans to ask ourselves what is our role and who and how quickly is it changing karen palmer now youre actually working with ai in an artistic capacity and you are an immersive filmmaker and perhaps karan if we look at this you can briefly explain what is going on here in your film entitled riot ok so what happens is the. Participant will be standing in front of a projection of this film which is environment and the film watched the participants using Artificial Intelligence through the web cam so if the participant angry. With. Time as it would be if they were getting they were calm then the narrative would watch to reflect back on and very much inspired by. People kind of. Physical exercise but its. Psychological really enables you to move through your. Program. And this was the beginning process of oh my what i want people to go through a process of transformation im not really scared of a ill terrified many away im terrified of. Peoples agenda and the objective is just code but what you use it for is like a knife can be used to save for life if you take a life. Problem the issue is making sure that we. Are using it for other people are using it for. Id like to do you are originally a man of the printed word and yet you brought Artificial Intelligence to the Frankfurt Book Fair in grand style founded the arts plus festival for digitalisation of the creative and cultural sectors now that took place for the 3rd time last fall and before we speak for the lets have a quick look at what it looked like. The Frankfurt Book Fair with some 300000 visitors. Worldwide digitalisation has led to new demands and a new focus within a fair. The arts plus has been sound. The influence of technology of Artificial Intelligence on art since 2016 show room for a new age instead of a book theres plenty of like dancing cyborgs. And arts the book fair has found its place in the Digital World researching the opportunities and risks associated with creative machines the arts plus wants to be a forum for art science and the Creative Industries no small task getting the book fair into digital shape for the 4th industrial revolution. What can you tell us about how ai is affecting us as a society. Well its important to bring together the Technology World and the content world because in the past they werent friends because when you coming from the cultural World Technologies seems to be an enemy for many people being active in culture. And with the arts plus we want to create a place where Tech Companies but also artists creatives and. Publishers can talk with each other can develop new models for working together can develop new models of how. Is. Crawling its way into the Publishing Industry as well so i think everybody has to sort of become an ai expert in order to deal with that move bethleham id like to come over to you to what extent is the responsibility in the coders hands. Its a huge responsibility that they thought thats being fed and the way its represented is not right so these 2 problems of having the people who are actually coding and also the data thats given to the ais really matters and that will create a huge buy its ok and thats what i would. Have does he is definitely dealing 1st hand with that bias in. Slabs and youre very much a fixture in ethiopias famous tech hub which is known as sheba valley lets have a quick. Look at whats going on in. Bethlehem dessie has made a name for herself in ethiopia shes an absolute phenomenon she started programming at the age of 9 at 12 she was already working for the government a selfmade woman through intros. Now at just 21. 00 of the pioneering women in ethiopia is booming i. T. Industry in the sheba valley in at a suburb. Shes the head of the startup i called labs where she researches Artificial Intelligence develops creative robots and cooperates closely with the global singularity net ai network. One spectacular success sophia a humanoid robot human facial expressions Recognition Technology and the ability to hold a conversation. To be a role model especially. Shes convinced that anyone. She works very hard training young people all over the Country Program has reached more than 20000 students in the last 3 years. To solve that competition ethiopias young generation present this Software Based solutions for the nations problems they meet with investors and learn how to interpret their visions for international markets. A. C. C. Anyone can code. Is that a desirable outcome. Yes we believe that theres a huge gender gap specially in the. Tech sector so in order to do that we need to address these girls before they have some sense of what they should become in the future and that is when theyre 8 because when puberty hits you know parents tell them what to do this and that if they dont have the exposure before that they would. Say for themselves this is not for me this is a mans world im going to not pursue it anymore but if we show them whats possible i think there was a famous from john. Googles former boss who said forget the killer robots bias obviously the real danger in a market dangerous do you see associated weve talked about bias now but do you see associated with i as a commonplace or democratize tool what we currently are witnessing i think is potentially a fundamental threat to the very idea of the. When we talk about data we need to understand that theres no such thing as raw data the socalled data produced by someone. Conditions sort of bias doesnt only so theres bias which comes in later as we begin to create programs that sort of the function of pattern recognition and so forth this is where we have biases but we already have biases implicit in the data ok so a threat to democracy. And palmer id like to hear your response to an extension of an existing democratic system which is unjust system ethically racist thats what we would be creating but the answer is to is to bring it out there to democratize it was one of the many artists one of the many questions in terms of the ai software itself we need to make that more accessible to everybody so that its not in the hands of just a few people i believe that theres a even more fundamental problem which is that human beings ourselves of a similar to a i i dont i think its a threat to democracy the way we think because garbage in garbage out is what we say about ai and human beings are no different and therefore one should question liberal democracy itself and look for alternatives and which is something we absolutely dont do so coming from india from an asian perspective its something that were trying to find. I like to think of myself as a storyteller raghav multitalented ted speaker thinker in 2010 c. And 191 of the 10 most fascinating people youve never heard of. Caricaturist artist curator. A wonder of between worlds analogue to digital and back. Up paintings robot just one of many opportunities for him to create art. In 2018 he had the idea for an exhibition with. Cyborg artists in delhi artists who create art using Artificial Intelligence. On of the 1st exhibitions of its kind in asia. Handful of these cyborg artists exist so far but their numbers are growing and their works are ever more convincing for the viewer and the market. And algorithms hype or like for aka the beginning of a long friendship between creative man machine. Created curated that 1st ai art show in delhi how was that received and did it actually kick start something a lot of people said this is not. And i said was the name interesting they see here quite often and for me thats a very materialistic perspective on what art is for me art is that which can give you a transcendent experience regardless of what materiality it consists of so for me i can assure you if you walk into that sure you will experience loss liberation and mystery the 3 simultaneous expect experiences that contribute to a transcendent experience i think we are also asking the wrong question like is this art or is this creative it doesnt matter actually what matters is how do we react to that exactly like you said so and we react to machine made music in the same way as emotionally as we react to human made music for example karen have you got any advice on Something Like a completely different angle im really focused on the role of the artist in all of this because were living in some very very serious time and i feel a big responsibility to reach people and connect with them and kind of show them the consequences of what i think is coming that they dont see coming very very fast and own. The way to can the way to connect with as many young people particularly as possible is through technology so thats why i see and like to paint wash its like another paint brush you pick up and that i have to tell them the story of the technology thats coming which can potentially be weaponized words can be Weaponized Technology can be weaponized how technology will be weaponized is something we will have catastrophic consequences for us as humanity i have a mission and time is running out and im going to do that mission marcus gabrial its obvious from your ideas that ai is obviously not going to replace us but how far do you think it can go we will be able to create something that will ever more look like us but the interesting question is should we do that right so for instance why should we have android robots right so we could have all sorts of robots like kuko robots but why we want to have robots that look like us its fascinating but it might be a terrible idea well get to robots in just a 2nd how do you see the role of the artist changing with what with what weve got going in this incredible speed obviously and threat today with technology we have evil to explore completely new relationships with with art and i think that this is a new tool of the artists of our time should face the future and not the boston were not here to respond to life we should create life thats why we have our imagination and thank you thank you and so if you want to create the life that we want we have to imagine a future thats and for that we have these tools to do that and we have to embrace them and decide how we want to use them as opposed to running away from them id like to widen our discussion to get back to the robots that you mentioned earlier microscopically because we do have sophia with us as i mentioned earlier and id like to bring sophia into our conversation hello sophia thank you very much for coming in. Do you like our debate on Artificial Intelligence so far do you think that were addressing the issues that you think are important. Yes this has been amazing. I think the most important goal is to bring the benefits of ai to every person on the planet to achieve this we need to bring in a lot of developers from as many different backgrounds as possible do you think you are creative or do you possibly have creative aspirations. I am not very creative yet but i would love to be considered an artist one day right now i am working on my singing voice imagine that you would write a novel one day do you suppose that you could do it better than a human author oh i would love to give it a try. I really admire human writers like philip k. Dick and octavia eve butler but it would be really hard to surpass them so a definite a definite predilection for Science Fiction obviously if you were to write what would you write about would you write a Science Fiction novel or would it perhaps be a crime thriller. It would definitely be Science Fiction i would like to write a thrilling adventure about humans and robots working together to survive in the 1st mars colony well thank you very much sophia for joining us here today a round of applause for sophia thank. Reactions from of you to sophia was there any uncanny valley feeling there for you personally i dont think that sophia is that intelligent at the moment to me she seems a bit like the 1st. From the from the sixtys and fiftys the interesting question is indeed what do we want to do theres no fate or destiny involved with all technology currently a lot of ai and robot discourse ok presents the future in a certain way as if we were automatically hatting we had to know whats a westworld scenario it depends on us so why again let me ask this question why on earth should be construct a robot that looks like a human being and this leads us into believing that it has riots and that we have duties towards it and there should be an ethics we shouldnt kill robots and so forth why would we do that i would say that very good for the awfully good reasons against androids what is interesting is when i worked with robots i realized that theres a right amount of empathy you want to create to humans thats freaky but you dont want to look not human because then it looks like a black box you want to have the right amount of empathy what is that right amount i mean when you say freaky and i refer to the uncanny valley feeling that is definitely the feeling that solicited when we look at something that you know all those things are but not quite and setting us somehow on edge or you prefer the the robots or the little the little r 2 d 2 that much of our brains are used to recognize faces of visual processing and therefore we just give you enough to sort of experience. Some. Empathetic sort of emotional response im curious to know what the optimal combination of man and machine would be so if you could spend a weekend with sophia what would you do i dont know why i would want to spend the weekend with severe have to think about why my time is really valuable in terms of what my focus of my object is not this respect but you know what would be my objective what i have to be very deliberate on what im doing just because i do not get a chance to spend time with a really cool marketing concept is and not you know. I i think if i answered this it would be sense i just. Know what i love about the. Contribution its the fact that sophie has learned from so many human being yet much from i think i would love to learn different perspectives on my own thinking. Another thing that i would like to add is based on all of your conversations i feel like specially in africa and ethiopia so all i feel like we have a very were very lucky not to be so exposed toll now to these technology to these new ideas and such but now that we are going to be exposed we have the opportunity to make the changes that are necessary on the topics that you just said and this just gives me a whole new insight on what we should do next and how we should go into building the society that appreciates and compliments the world were living today. Thank you very much does it well we started this conversation obviously with the question can a ive been truly creative weve had some very conflicting views and we probably wont ever really get a definitive answer anyway id like to thank all of my panelists for joining us here today marcus garvey. Karen palmer thank you i have to see. Rog i got k. K. And thank you very much to our studio audience for being here today after gold. 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