A well come to conflict so welcome during and after the Election Campaign your party said it would not i repeat not enter a Coalition Government against with merkels called so over to lives but thats just what you are headed. When the point was grand coalitions all the time. Strengthen the extreme know that this is the past when the yesterday you said after the election its right no and thats the right thing to do if the voters tell you twenty point five percent for the s. P. D. Minus fourteen percent for the partners of the grand coalition thats their problem well thats our problem too so that the right answer on election day was to say our place is in the opposition but your party leader repeated the no well and this was clear that it was now on you to enter into discussions and he said no but put it this way we made a mistake which is not very often and probably thinks we overestimated the competing parties we thought the conservatives the greens the liberals would come together in a power. Coalition as they advocated all the time and we had nothing was sure nothing was sure but we didnt have a plan b. There were not too many smart journalists who told us you need to go to you he was just you know said well say what these articles we havent read were told that would fail you know everybody in germany basically everybody thought they would come together would build a government well there for you have a professional one of them as you pointed titian and it was the plan and i did say it was a mistake and the mistake which is made very seldom that your overestimate your opponents we did so and then we had this monday after this broke up. And i would say the Party Meetings on that monday were what you would call an industry a monday production that was not a good thing to do you want to govern a country if you are not capable of having a good production on monday for an answer for the country if you are governing on not excuse me those parties who won the election reverence and the greens together with the conservatives who lost more than we did still had the possible to build a majority. Those parties who wanted to govern germany failed to do so and we were hailed on monday and we were surprised about that and we hope we can be sorely mistaken sorry that i interrupt you really i understand that you were surprised but you have professional party you are still in the government and you want to tell me that you were not capable after hours and hours from midnight to ten oclock the next day to find another answer than the no it was unanimously you decide it again and that is you know coalition no uncle we want to be in the opposition thats an exaggerated i mean thats what youre saying yes there was a mistake and i said preditions make mistakes as human beings do i think thats a fairly little mistake in comparison with what had happened just before talk about you we talk about the we work in the real world and as i told you there was a mistake yet were took the time after that monday to thursday where the Party Meeting and the. Leadership of the social Democratic Party and talked about this and also. President s for the time liar who has to be the one who holds up the constitution told us that you have to talk democratic process after talk so we did so and now were in talks with the conservatives and well see what happens our party said. The only. Point that is important for us is our program. Where every party that has said that no the conserves dont have a program at all and the greens are very flexible the liberals you will also play a clip flexible thats right thats what the voters told you you were flexible thats why you failed why only the other speak about you and the s. P. D. M. Of the. Old i know that you want to talk about the other part of this but martin. Sure its keeps changing his opinions almost like other change their underwear their underwear people are more than liberals and how can he be trusted i mean in a few weeks in a few weeks one mistake after the other wasnt it the journalists just taking questions who told me just a minute ago why we won flexible enough to see that the world has changed within our so it has changed that it was a chance not not the opinion of our leader has changed said no no yes perhaps realize yes change no yes really the reality changes germany this is the reality you are a very bright also hes still but the conservatives the greens of us have failed thats things change that has to change and now we are the ones who have to take responsibility which we will do. Other than the propriety of the liberals also started Coalition Talks but they failed and they went to the opposition and that means you will not tail and in a few weeks well have a grand we literally will see what happens we just you know we talk about program there are different ways to take responsibility one way would be to build a coalition another way would be to tolerate them on our team which will mean you are lections im sorry miss mary told you very frankly and openly she is not negotiating about Something Else and then a Great Coalition with very often we dont live in a dictatorship no but i live in democracy but its going to be the same like with a no no and yes if one party is telling you i am negotiating to build a new grand coalition what is then the reason why you appear one person is very flexible and its really not much interest but im going to market if you look at her leadership being chancellor since two thousand and five i dont know any other person who has been as much flexible so you dont. Want to rule a minority government where she may not want to but will have to talk about different ways to cooperate one of it is Coalition Government another changing one or majorities a third one would be a minority government a fourth because you elections. Actions can only be the last resort yeah but if it will be a minority government and doesnt want to have this we will have a new election do you think there are politicians do you think that you are in the position to win more to lose more with a new election we dont want to have a new election because why you cant tell voters vote as well she just wrote and vote and until the point when we are content with the result that cannot be thats not the concept of democracy. Voters have decided and now its our approach to take responsibility but still that different ways and put it this way there was one thing that happened on this we just refer to the whole state or germany saw nothing works in germany without the social democracies thats what happened thats a very interesting into patel think so i think that means that the social democrats have now to sold their faces thats why its very clear question no grand coalition thats something you can exclude you know our Party Convention decided in them a pretty way i think with eighty percent dorothy that they want us to negotiate with the conservative party in an open way about our program is always in some way and open way means that there are different ways of outcome in terms of how we cope so i want only to learn till now and this was not bad for this country parties came together negotiated had a compromise an agreement and it was a coalition why do you believe. That you need for the first time alternatives in the way how to govern if you accept the contents for the next rights could if you want a reason which might not be. An important one given that in democracy the people decide people set for the purpose of this grand coalition minus fourteen percent this is the highest loss for a coalition in the history of the country you know and then seriously so you exclude no but its not the most likely that you are nothing more than argument you are giving me an argument which was also you argument no no now you try to explain a little bit yes and a little no no i just say were talking about contents and the question which kind of cooperation we choose in the end that depends on how far we get in those negotiations and im very skeptical about a new grand coalition because it strengthens the right wing one of the bad consequences for instance would be that the leader of the opposition the german going to start wouldnt be mr wouldnt wouldnt be mr. Wouldnt be mr mrs wagner but would be mr conan the right wing populist who would be Opposition Leader and the point is not lets also not think you want to have a lets talk fair enough but before we talk about that the head of your partys youth wing kevin kuhn at one of the big s. P. D. Hope said quote i didnt join this party to see it keep running into the same wall time and again is that where you are leading them i can understand this position three cents or three. Member of the us or a socialist yesterday and they tell me dont go into the grand coalition and im not in favor of doing so but you could you cant exclude it because as i said you should not go to the back to the voters but you have to work with the results and that is a difficult thing to do and well see what happens. We negotiated with mrs merkel a list as a whole for where we get it giant of the chinese one experiment i take now you quote very seriously and this also the quotes of your chairman the chairman Martin Schultz said becoming the opposition is the only chose choice because quote we the social democrats and a very bad state we have to reinvent the party that not longer true its true so if this is true and the conclusion was the only choice is a position but were not in the were in the real world and not always things happen as you wish them to occur but you are still in a rather strong that its a response its a risk to be you know well see what happened is the other party is not real that you are still the same party is responsible for party who is. Themselves saying we are in a very bad state we have to reinvent us we dont have any other i always tell you one thing really president said. First comes the country then comes the party but it is a social democrat who said yes i want i agree and no party but its not a party im thrilled with the us really took more responsibly in the history of our. Party which is part of our lives in itself that they are not capable of doing it martin shows and the majority of the s. P. D. This repeatedly said we need four years of a position to we knew our principles our content our priorities all right so now youre this is the chance for success you know it is. It is much easier to take this reform process when youre in opposition but its not our choice its the other partys who failed and we have responsible for this we are always to talk responsibly for yes but theres another responsible if im not capable of doing something its my responsibility to say im sorry i will no i will tell you one thing you saw the head with it not Services Compared with the conserves we are very capable of im very sorry were going to do you really think this is the argument i take you seriously i listen to you i listen to mr schultz and if a party its not the city who told that about you you told by saying were not dry swimming here were in the water but we have to do you are saying that you cant swim anymore you know you said that we can swim and i. Published a piece were told i spoke about your party leader he said we can swim published a piece where i said we have a lot for forms to do wherever building that needs to be rebuilt from the basement to the top thats what i wrote yet the fundamentals valid and its still good and its easier to do this reform process real opposition but its not our choice it has. Been the joy of the of other parties to fail so new elections this is you see thats my point i want the right if and thats the reason that democracy will not continue is it better that an s. P. D. M. Is in a coalition which is say we are not capable of is this not helping the right wing party. Let me tell you one thing i studied history. So and or that every court you could find as always under certain circumstances the circumstances now are that everybody in germany every journalist every World Everybody saw the conservatives the green there was you cant do it so this sort of immigrants have to do it no nobodys obliged we are not obliged to go into a grand coalition thats why were talking about its going to be like that either you know tell us what so lets lets return about ok so top lets talk how seriously we can take a party during the Election Campaign scholz accused of being a vote an attack on democracy because she suppresses a debate about germanys future now the s. P. D. He cannot vote for. Or can vote for well i would like to have an absolute majority in parliament i dont have this so we have to cooperate with other parties we dont choose their Party Leaders they do that themselves and thats the thing to do it by the way when they lose power or they will replace her faster than we can see im pretty sure look at the variance sister party they do that the same thing same way you had a very. Important argument and you mentioned. If the s. P. D. Is really entering into a new coalition the f d is the a position. After the election you said this is. For germany that this cant happen so now again if it is a perhaps coalition they will be the Opposition Leader thats one of the reasons why and thats what an order is i dont like that but as you see life is not black and white and sometimes the choices you have are not wonderful and bad but bad and very bad sometimes those are the choices in life you have your argument is like this we dont have any choice my argument is everybody has. Always a choice its true yes and no is still possible in germany so dont argue as you do that. Changing all you know nothings because i know germany is one thing its a thing ten minutes ago mr free when i told you that there is not only a grand coalition but also minority government you dont exist in the great cause theres just as any possibility that you dont exclude so it is one of the possibilities and if it is one of the possibilities i think that the other argument is not as valid as it sounds i dont think so because were living in the real world i dont want to grand coalition i cant exclude it im skeptical about this more skeptical of the other people in my party im skeptical that this would be the best way to do but we will see what happens in negotiations tell you another thing if we dont come together at all. We will have new elections i dont seek them i dont like them i think its not a good thing to do but if you are very try very hard and then at the end you say well we didnt come together in the Health System and the politics towards europe and the politics towards pensions and the probably good labor Affordable Housing might ensure that there is an education martin. Martin schultz said there is another key point europe he said that one of the most important topics for the s. P. D. In government is europe and the creation of the United States of europe if this is there that also your perspective yes its it will be two hundred years ago and twenty twenty five when the social democrats have to decide in their Party Convention how to back nineteen twenty five we want to have the United States of europe oh thats interesting it should happen by twenty twenty five just eight years away United States of europe maybe thats technically spoken thats very difficult but let me talk about how we can. Really. Excited young people and im sorry for thing im sorry against national i you know going back to the value i really i understood but no you are very concrete and i mean this is fantastic a Political Party is very concrete so lets stay in this point twenty five the United States of europe this was not something said vision for the next seven years or so twenty hundred years after the first helping to organize this in eight years and with whom i dont know lets take president michel the french president has won the United States he wants is to move europe forward but as i know the United States and iran trees want to move europe back look at poland or hungry or others Great Britain you just. Said stuff which is difficult enough i think its a wonderful idea of someone to say we need the s. P. D. If we in the government will fulfill and twenty twenty five the United States of europe grants very grand challenges and fighting for a better europe in times where we have trump and putin and other one and all those guys fighting for united europe but thats you know this is. The statement is if state a member state is not capable or doesnt want to approve this it will automatically have to leave the e. U. This is a very interesting metal how to fulfill a vision alone would you be the only country germany or were talking about Going Forward right brenda allowed to throw out other people were not talking about yeah i dont approve it will automatically have to only be you or your will have to decide whether europe wants to be strong and want. To be a prosperous continent with peace. Compared with all the others who are rising china and brazil and all the others or who want to go back to nationalistic concepts as we see them in austria now as we see them in poland as we see them and hungary and other places where all those right wing nationalist are rising up so i find it wonderful that mr shaw says we dont want to have a europe of trial and you know we want to have a year i will question because as long as you want to ransom will be the same and my question is and i will repeat it because its a very fundamental state martin shows calls for european constitutional treaty that would then be put to the Member States and those that still wont approve it will automatically have to leave the e. U. This is the code of your chairman. What is his attitude towards europe that he is saying who is throwing out who excuse me my lot in shows is one of the who. You know you know who is one of the most enthusiastic european i know is throwing away at turnberry about saving Europe Europe is on the way down as you can see by the exit as you can see by all those right wing nationalist you can germany can leave the e. U. If you dont like the you but why. Not talking about who likes to talk about europe as the fundament for peace and prosperity thats what were talking about but this is not in this day and danger thats happening right now is who is throwing out who he is talking about populations voting in the democratic way that youre just but only through just a few would be french. Yes and its possible that the majority of the friends will not approve that then i quote again dont approve it will automatically have to leave the you french will have automatically to lead the e. U. Frets what mr solace for is a growing world for europe because its not the one who is leading your approach rather france but rather it will be a new constitutional treaty and again this majority of the another version thats a version of an important social democrat i reserve good i understood but not the problem is will automatically have to leave why deciding that the point that we now have europe is in danger. Were talking about a very Dangerous Development in the whole world and in europe and i think we need people like mark hall martin shows who have a vision of a better europe a prosperous peace for europe against nationalistic concepts elsewhere that you are capable of doing this is a reaction now why dont you react against the hunger against the poland you at the s. P. D. Germany excuse me criticize that a lot mr invites are bound to his Party Conventions to move its own little party family Little Family learned of is. Now and you can throw out hungary i think its over exaggeration just to. Focus on this throwing out somebody the point about insurance mixed together with some across we have to go on with europe where the better europe if we want to save prosperity and peace and i think thats a wonderful concept and we would see how our young people in germany think about that if thats taken to the voters in germany i hope we meet in twenty twenty five and as i understood it would be the United States i mean youre. Right what are you doing if the germans dont vote for you see the social democrats have fought for ideas for a long time and sometimes it took longer than we thought wearing rights for men and women wasnt just a mistake to add on the idea the United States of europe. Twenty twenty five and was it the second mistake to say that what we just talked about i dont think thats a mistake having grand goals is the way this is your home for what it is concrete people understood that i think the right way so so i have to interpret it in the future the vote is not always in that always the way with all politicians i cant interpret it twenty twenty five this is an objective date i dont know but i know a lot of people said a lot of people said german unification would never come and a half years later it was there that somehow im talking race sometimes things change faster than we have the fantasy so you may condemn out insurance for as optimism i dont i think its wonderful that he has this optimism and its much better than doing nothing and sleeping like mr sharon and im mistaken as thank you very much and being in conflict thank you but the plague. You get the boat. The boat. The big. The boat. The be. The be. The be. The be. The be. The best. 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