Intervened he said to save zanu p. F. Not the country but he was you know this must not turn out just because that is a member of the opposition who also is with vested interests in the veteran of the liberation in the same matter he said and of the of something is wrong you see he says the army forces in saturdays opinions and yet he says the armed forces made up of zanu p. F. Members he said not democrats intent on our sharing in a pluralistic system not democrats intent on sharing in a pluralistic says so in other words forget about democracy not just insane in other ways for example because it is a bitter said old man thats what im saying lets not forget for democracy lets forget about what a member of the opposition would say again as an eclipse the impulse to go in saying that but move forward of even at the swearing in ceremony there were people were taken a look at them because the president of botswana for one in karma he said it pretty clearly i dont see why i should wish him mugabe well if he cared nothing for his. People why should i care for you and then there were the crowds the to the Police Commissioner general gust ensuring the calls for him to step down and you think gave you talk about rose petals for everybody so rose positon this im sure you didnt actually check the relationship between the people of zimbabwe and the Police Commissioner general the generals the rest of the army or the rest of the city secure kratz and the general and you and the jury why do you think the police were made to strip to stand down why are they wanted right now as im talking to your starting joint patrol patrols with the army because the police were not trusted by the people they were not trusted by the army they were not trusted by the support they were trusted by only president mugabe why because the person that was second in command of the police is his cousin and and the war point was to safeguard that president s mr rohani what is disturbing to many people to be in your country plenty of silence at the new president is no different from the old world you take is warning about pluralism and political opposition those who oppose us will park and park he said they will continue to park that zanu p. F. Train will roll on ruling and ruling while they park its all about the pasty with nothing out of the crash last thats a misinterpretation of what actually thats a direct quote of what you said yes but i would tell you any court get taken out of his context loses many you think this man is ever going to allow the barking dogs of the opposition to sweep him out of power. If they win not a chance if they win he words if they really would its when uses the backing phrase its not only about opposition its its even included grace what you are simply saying is when im focused on Something Like a train or a locomotive every dog will run which runs around alongside the tracks can bark and bark but the locomotive does not stop its called the locomotive is not the. Country zanu p. F. As far as hes concerned he is a live via call for trying to force transformation within the country thirty years falls it has its army calls for thirty five years its trash we made mistakes struck democracy in the trash now cant we didnt trust democrats but yes we made mistakes and yes we messed up the economy state last year we disaster whatever whatever line you turn youre a very friendly guy youre a nice jovial sort of think youre going to actually whatever line you turn you know full well the system and god is hostage to the brutality of the brutal record of zanu p. F. Using your theory his period as head of Central Intelligence in the mid 1980s coincided with the most brutal of all mugabes massacres the socalled cooler killings in which up to twenty thousand from the in the billy tribe were killed or disappeared he was denied any role but actually the state controlled by the way a chronicle reported at the time that he compared to citizens to bugs cockroaches that is such an epidemic the government needed to bring in dealey alger thing to get rid of the actual thing so his words. I hear i had you now give me a chance to respond to you first thing is we way in a very intimate very formative years of our country mistakes were made and that excuses massacre not even tolerance and it doesnt exist in one of the he says im simply saying we made mistakes so thats an admission that he made mistakes was number one number two during that period when he was minnesota security he quest coming to poland into account for his actions all the time with a very robust parliament at that time and they would have some things yes when admitted crimes this was these were parking offenses for which you know to quell or pay a fine this was murder on a grand scale there were mistakes all its mistakes is they were biggest understatement in history was the man or not mistakes its not its a flaw made mistakes that is stalin made mistakes you know there were mass murderers this was mass we lost one of the militia it now will of the militia not will last and we lost people we lost is about wins and. For u. K. I was for it too its unfortunate that it happened but in the formative years of any nation if we go back to the history of britain will find that there were pages there were people that died it does not it doesnt it doesnt clear people it doesnt make it any better but the fact still remains in a formative years of a nation things who happen which notions must happen however that should not have happened mr and i with violence stamped into your partys d. N. A. And thats already been proved yet again in the last week the very day the new president was sworn in the former finance minister Ignatius Trumbull was handed over to the police by the military who had beaten him up severely and while he was held in custody and the end were to testimony total emissions trouble is that the minister talking about salvation in these various vision told what he himself in his testimony in chief he never said was when he was president wrong is he wrong you know he says he was tortured he has the they did it in the activist lawyer is wrong because the actual person didnt allege and didnt tell me and i didnt beat him up no they didnt get him anywhere but you know the same fact youve investigated you never said that he was here this refers to fight in court when by the Court Records isnt it when when somebody says surprise and off if thats what we go by i saw you know why we making it up as his lawyer said it was a very brutal and took only in the way dealing with opponents if he says that that i can accept very much so and i tweeted about it myself that this is not the way i want to do things but so thuggish is the country that youve created a few weeks ago to manage a man or you call in a struggle now but. Let me finish the man who is now president had to flee for his life a couple of weeks ago and it doesnt end thats an unfortunate set of parties as gay she is and its not funny i dont know why dont i see any of the politicians had to flee him i dont know i said i dont accept your calling me and my countrymen but i would say that it was it was unconventional it was wrong it shouldnt have happened that way but when it starts isnt it and you know right before you is not sitting the thug isnt it time you came out whats been going on in your country all these years apart from just. Trying to get out of it by calling it a few mistakes and meet it that people deserve Something Better than p. F. The day people really do it not people deserve what they vote for exactly thats what does that what democracy about it if people are choosing sunapee of then they deserves an opinion isnt it are you going to prescribe leaders was an all for prison for the peoples republic they made a choice theyll make a choice in july or so theyll make a choice again will they choose not to be if thats what they deserve i put it to troy smith who was his Vice President for ten years yeah that under mugabe zimbabwe became a byword for corruption murder child cities and torture she didnt argue with that she didnt know she said its a fact whats known again when you quote opposition who was good she was the decision she was with him for ten years yeah but then Vice President by then but then if you had said sorry for any of these mergers corruption atrocity you know its too much corruption is there and its a problem there you go ive made an admission made us not to the scale you want to say things happened as i told you nine hundred eighty we shouldnt be in the one hundred eighty which shouldnt have happened there you go you love those understatements things happened no these were murders and massacres carried out this was brutal brutal violence and you know it was a satanist it was things happen when im saying i think you are playing it down well they want you know where your result they were told. They were dissidents one to their way tories were actually kidnapped and killed there with there were some what age of infrastructure there were elections violence especially around the point thousand and eight am i explain what i mean by things happened so the response to the response to that was disproportionate yes and thats why im saying things happened because things