legislation have picked two areas, trans people in bathrooms and trans people in sports where there is virtually no science or medicine or data to back up their position. i think that's really critically important for all of us to remember and to speak out about. >> now, joe, in the past we've seen corporations and sports organizations apply pressure. about five years ago north carolina passed a so-called bathroom bill. in response the ncaa said it would no longer hold championship events there. and north carolina did repeal the bill. is anything like that happening this year? what are we hearing from the ncaa? >> yeah. so dozens of corporations have already spoken out against these bills, including google, facebook, at&t, and the ncaa has also spoken out. in april when four states, it was just three this year, had passed trans athlete bans, the ncaa said it would only hold championship tournaments in places that are, quote, free from discrimination. but then about a month later in may the ncaa announced that schools that would host
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