filibuster. move towards a senate where republicans can get their way, instead of right now where you need ten republicans to get something real. >> and he's going to be -- joe manchin will be hearing a lot of that. but really, he's been shermanesque in saying that he doesn't want to, quote, destroy the government by getting rid of the filibuster. i don't think -- i think that's being a little melodramatic. i think -- go ahead. >> joe, at the time he said that, he's still holding out hope for some republican movement and so if you get no movement passed that graphic that you showed, that's where there's an opening to say to joe manchin, look, this is a pipe dream you're going to get republicans on these big questions. give it up. let's pass things that we believe in and need to for our voters. >> yeah, you know, jonathan lemire, i heard -- i'm trying to remember who said this yesterday. i think it was senator bennett
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