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on afghanistan! and here we're trying to spend 1.7, $300 billion less on america's own infrastructure over several years and that's being called radical? there's a lot of spending that's radical in washington, d.c. this infrastructure, rebuilding, reinvesting in america, that's not radical. >> i think you're right. and i think the thing in the democratic party, if you want -- when you're talking radical, right? there are members of the left who want to spend a lot more money. they're saying, even the original plan that president biden put forth was nowhere near the amount of money. you're exactly right. this isn't as much that people who really concentrate on infrastructure, how much they say is needed. and something interesting that the democrats have done and the who is have done in trying to get republicans come to see how important the infrastructure and this deal is, they've been

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