for donald trump? we may point to 2016 but we can look at 2018 and see that this idea of the so-called hoard, this myth of the hoard, the fear of the hoard didn't pan out. the caravan didn't play out in his favor at the ballot box. what it ended up doing is creating, you know, playing a role in the increased frenzy and rhetoric around race that had devastating consequences but politically, didn't seem to -- didn't payoff for him. >> leah and marie elaina, thank you both. have i one more thing in new york for katty kay. that is steven miller. steven miller has maintained a tremendous amount of influence over immigration policy. he worked for jeff sessions. he's now joust lasted jeff sessions and viewers may know him as someone hob isn't on camera all that much and yet sometimes seems to as i mentioned outlast and out rank the attorney general, the border