>> i want to go back to that first point and maybe end there. because it's concrete and tangible. meat and animal protein grown for the consumption of the first world is one of the most carbon intensive things we could do. and a lot of people view it as essentially like big gas-guzzling suvs at some point. it will become less and less sustainable. >> yes, exactly. so the more that the northern world like voluntarily switches its diet and it's easier for us to eat these plant-heavy diets, the better. i would say on the side of like climate policy and things the government can do, and back to the usda point, there's actually a lot that ranchers could be made to do that would make the meat we already eat like much better for the climate. so, for instance, if they closed all the open manure pits. that would save us a lot of methane emissions. but that's hard and like ranchers don't want to do and the government needs to make them. and so not only like are there great benefits to us switching our diets, but actually, there's
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