trust, we don't trust the government can do it, but there's also the fact there's a certain degree that if democrats want to do big things, and i think a lot of them want, to particularly as the climate crisis bears down on us, you have to find some way to engineer not only the trust but the capacity to do things and the only proof of the pudding is in the eating. >> so we're back to my question for senator mccaskill, and that is how are you going to go to youngstown and say your union plan, i know you're happy with it but i'm going to replace it. >> i think you're going to -- >> how do you make that? >> you convince people there will be something better at the end of the day. >> the reason -- people like medicare. the republicans have tried to privatize and voucherize medicare time and time again. they had unified control of government and they couldn't do it. why couldn't they do it? people like medicare. medicare's one of the most popular things the government does. >> but i've got to be honest with you, and part of this is me having flashbacks to town hall after town hall. a lot of my colleagues were at
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