and this is part of cory booker's point. what do you plan on actually doing? beyond policy, what do these actions look like? so this is going to continue to be a point of contention. >> ypd the point of contention, though, beyond it being a point of contention, is it a point that will make critical voting blocs, african-americans, who we know are going to vote with the democrats, but will it make a difference to their vote what they hear on that stage, what they see in this proposal and who they ultimately decide to support? >> i think it may make a difference. we have to remember that one of the groups that is perhaps most -- perhaps most infected and particularly in terms of depressive turnout will be black men. black men are going to be looking at questions of policy at mass incarceration, particularly with -- because they are within this affected pool. black women who also make up the base of the democratic party are