look, i think we need to have a change of heart, we need to publicly disavow that stance we took with ryan. his guys said, what are you crazy? we just wrote this op-ed. the decision was do we get accused of being a flip-flopper now or allow trump it bludgeon us on the issue of trade? it speaks volumes about where people were at that point in the party because, again, you spoke to it a second ago. the rate of change is what is so whiplash-inducing at this point. this didn't happen over a period of 30 or 40 or 50 years, you can even consolidate it down into a period of 36 months in which some core bedrock republican principles that had been held since the reagan era have essentially been thrown out the window. >> everyone marvels at the trump relationship to evangelical voters, who in donald trump's own words are privately referred to in your own book at the f-ing evangelicals. >> it's a term of endearment. i should note. you know, so it's fascinating.