epstein's alleged accusers say that maxwell was involved in recruiting them and in some cases grooming them to be victims of this, and so i think the big question here is which of these is true or is both? >> well, if they're both true, how did the latter go unnoticed for so long. you've got epstein's victims who have sued max well, and she settled with them, and at the same time she's the toast of the city who, you know, attending chelsea clinton's wedding after much of this came out? >> you're right, all of those cases were settled and it is, you know, relevant to say that she's never been criminally charged. kwo you know, what i think you're asking about is how the new york social scene could put stuff like that out of mind, and i think the answer as one socialite told me, it's just not done to ask. this woman told me half of my friends, i don't know what they do, and you know, essentially. >> you don't know if your dear friend recruits underaged women