speak to are actually -- there is a lot of potential there for crossover if you put her in that progressive category that we put bernie into in 2016. there was a lot of crossover, for instance, when it came to trade policy, when it came to trying to revive the midwest and industrial policy. so i think she will -- she could outsmart him in that sense, however, i don't think we can declare that she's going to be completely immune from that type of an attack when she's up on a debate stage and that's why these next debates are going to be so interesting to see how, you know, she handles it now that she's coming up and she's a real threat to bernie sanders, which opens anyone up once they startle vagt to that level to then becoming the piñata. >> once you rise. >> we've talked about her taking a punch. i really want to see if she can throw a punch. that's the thing. kamala harris proved she could come out and is willing to punch the biggest guy in the room. i have not seen that from elizabeth warren. her handling of trump on the