so i think it as much as a -- it's not a trouble sign for biden but for people in his campaign who would like him to spend more time preparing for what they can reasonably predict, this was a line of argument from her, of attack from her, if you will, they could have predicted. >> joy, he used a phrase, local control. i am old enough to remember when this phrase was used it was a thing. it was a -- you know, it's always been this way defense of local communities to avoid integration and busing specifically. >> exactly. and this is a another problem of joe biden being a nostallgia. bill clinton had to do it. he's like i'm going to execute rickey ray to let white americans know i'm tough on crime, i'm going to let them