environment in which people feel like they can't safely answer the question, meaning it might be used against them in some way, whether legally legitimate or not and results in them not answering it, the reality is we will see states losing potentially congressional seats because of an undercount of population. in fact, new york state, for example, lost two seats in the last round. traditionally low income people of color and rural communities are undercounted. that means both political voice but it also means dollars, things like how much money is allocated, for instance, for school lunch. that impacts everyone. so the most important issue here is not making people afraid, but enabling them to count. that's why the careerists in the census bureau did not want this question. >> pete, i want to go back to this case because you and i and maya and stephanie and i had
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