it's grotesque. it makes you wonder what his supporters are thinking. >> heidi, we play some of the dates on those clips we just showed were the 2016 campaign. i think what makes this -- trying to think, presidents who have been in a situation like this -- there was an accusation of rape against bill clinton in 1999. he didn't talk about it this way and that's the only time you had a president accused of anything like this. in the case of trump, you had so much come out in the 2016 campaign. you had women stepping forward saying heeo. ed th ed -- saying he groped them. you had the "access hollywood" tape and he said, that's locker room talk. you listen to the "access hollywood" tape and that allegation, what do you make of it? >> i understand your point and mara's point, we almost become as the media desensitized to
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