saw last night might bring about change. one issue that continues to stick is that pete buttigieg shortly after taking office in 2012 fired the first black police chief. it's very complicated but apparently he recorded conversations between some white officers who may have used some racial insults during that recording but people locally, especially black folks say, this police chief, darrell boykins was a bridge between the communities and moved the city forward. that firing continues to be a contentious issue and it sets the backdrop. >> let's talk about joe biden for a moment here, the vice president of course front runner right now, his first cable news interview since he announced with was reverend al sharpton over the weekend. here's part of what mr. biden talked about. >> i do understand the consequence of the word "boy" but it wasn't said in any of that context at all. >> you understand they recall you -- you would never call me