could really play in this particular presidential field in terms of the issues, the energy, the dynamic of what's happening in america right now. >> you think he'd be less likely to break out one of 20 in this moment? >> i think hope and change, when we are literally facing a catastrophe, a dangerous villain in the white house? i don't know that hope and change permeates through where we are right now. >> bipartisanship. >> we are polarized and polarize the through the obama area because white supremacists retreated. i don't think joe biden saying, i worked for this guy that there's a whole lot else. >> whether people want something really new and strong. thanks to both of you. still ahead some of the great archive footage. how they used to debate. next hour, i'll talk to one of the top debate experts in the country about how candidates try to make the splash and the risks
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