down. joan is the person and secondarily bernie sanders who have the most to lose in the series of debates. and people are looking at ways to distinguish among the different subcategories of candidates. but also joe biden. he is kind of like, he represents the democratic party to the extent there is somebody who sort of institutionally represents the party. everybody else is arguing for change. his trick has been the difficulties he's to be an institutionalist and change at the same time. that's the hardest thing he has had to do. especially at his age and given all of his experience. >> i want you to hear it from this voter. ask about joe biden. take listen. >> biden is a good default, i guess. i wish he was more progressive rather than, rather than so moderate.
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