necessarily have the most credible role either because he may have coerced cohen into lying before congress about the trump tower moscow deal that's still up in the air. we need more reporting on that, but he was involved apparently in altering that statement that he gave to congress. these are people surrounding the president who may not be giving him the best advice. >> are they concierge lawyers, telling him what he wants to hear? >> potentially but anyway, he just tweets what he wants to tweet and i think we're losing sight of the big picture here which is the president admitted today that he was discussing pardons with michael cohen and that was just after the raid on michael cohen's home and office by the fbi. so if he was discussing pardons at that moment with someone who was potentially about to flip on him, who else was he discussing pardons with at this time and was he dangling them? >> that's a hell of an analysis there. cohen asked his lawyer to explore a potential pardon last year. with trump's legal team.
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