as of today? >> children are processed at the border facility stations that you've been at -- >> and i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what are they? >> areas of the border facility that are carved out -- >> by chain link fence. >> right. >> by any other name, how did she handle that, matthew? >> family separation policy was unpopular from the beginning, and it hurt the trump administration, continues to do so. moreover, it seems to have been ineffective, and this "the new york times" story that you quote today gives all the details of what amounts to a crisis. dare i say emergency on the southern border with many tens of thousands of families and unaccompanied minors trying to come across the border without authorization. so there's the family separation issue.