the republicans did not jump to the president's defense here. they attacked michael cohen repeatedly. but do you find the actions of the president and michael cohen to be defensible at all? >> no. i mean, look, if what michael's saying is true, there's the old saying about birds of a feather, right? i don't think the republicans members of the committee played it exactly right. i think because -- look, if you're a person who doesn't have your mind made up watching this hearing, this show, just calling someone a liar over and over and over again doesn't convince me that he's a liar. michael cohen has a long record of public statements. it's very easy to go back and pick apart and say were you telling the truth when you said this? were you telling the truth when you said this in i don't think republicans really necessarily made the case michael cohen is not a guy who should be ace lend listened to. i think at the same time there's a lot of he said/he said stuff with regard to the president's