didn't answer i tried to ask a couple different ways. i understand the president was repeat ing what chairman kim told him. what does he believe, does he trust the north korean leader, someone he has been in love with and talked about they're pen pals? i didn't get a convincing answer one way or the other from conway about that question. >> that was a remarkable answer. chairman kim did not know what happened to otto warmbier when it was happening. that's some wordsmithing. >> reporter: and i asked her. do you really believe an american citizen could be essentially tortured in the north korean regime for as long as otto warmbier was there and that the leader of the country would know nothing about it? she said that's what the president was told. >> garrett, thank you, my friend. garrett haake for us at cpac. up next, the senate narrowly confirmed the president's new pick to head the environmental protection agency. we're going to take a deep look at who this guy s andrew wheeler and why so many groups are worried about his conversation t malaysian. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. n msnbc.