programs that a lot of the other candidates are now following. >> we also in kind of an old fashioned way view ourselves as wanting to know as much as we can about these men and women because we do have a stake in them. it's not just that we're nosey, wanting to know the president's hdl and ldl. we haven't spoken since the president just went through this latest physical exam. >> right. >> people who are a little bit older and read history by writers like yourself know that fdr hid fatal heart disease from the american people and another ailment or two. so i guess it's part of us being -- knowing that they are stewards of our country. again, would these two gentlemen, knowing that they are a bit older than the rest of the field, certainly older than the current sitting president. >> all true. the other thing, brian, is that,