became the first african american head of the dnc, shirley chisholm and of course barack obama, i want to see more diversity on the ticket. if it's biden, let's just say, he'll be hard to beat but not impossible to beat. i think the number two position, the vp position is where you'll start to see a lot more conversation about diversity and so on. >> they're going to kill me, but can a reverse ticket beat president trump? >> yes. >> but that's also assuming that president trump is bog to run, which i do not believe he will. >> ooh. >> just saying. >> the show for another hour. let's keep going. basel schmeichel, susan del percio, i got it right, and christine quinn. thank you, guys. ahead, move over, district attorney -- darth vader? there is a new meme. but first trump now threatening to declare a national emergency to get his wall. we have the facts with a special guest, next.